Playoff scenarios: Here we have a simple situation: MorroW is playing Sheth, and Moon is playing Fenix. The winner of each match clinches a berth in the finals.
1st map, Crossfire, Fenix went for cloacked banshees, killed 10+ drones, then for a 2tank push crusfed by banelings when speed finished while a counter attack killed some SCV on the nat. Never recovered from his failed push
If you listen to Gretorp, you've to be in the top 16 players in the world to get into NASL final.... :D
I love how InControls casting has improved so much. I think he's become a pretty legit caster. I like most of his analysis and even though it's not always 100% correct, it usually makes perfect sense. With a game as young as SC II and a metagame shifting as fast as ours, I think it's not even possible to call the exact strategic and especially tactic moves. Not sure about Gretorp though, even as a non native English speaker I think his vocabulary is unfortunately restricted and it really limits his casting distinctively. His analysis his actually not that bad, I appreciate a lot of his insights of the terran race, bot his offrace commentary is just odd.
I'm really liking Moon's play lately. Not afraid to counter attack and spam spines. More zergs should realise how good spines are at slowing down attacks.
Thank you for the thread, i was waiting and about to make it myself, but you have come through!
Also, those were dirty banelings in both games. The last one was pretty bad, but i think the first game when Fenix went back to his base, and he lost the first push was even worse. You gotta have that marine micro to go for a marine tank push against ling baneling muta
On June 09 2011 10:32 MaxField wrote: Thank you for the thread, i was waiting and about to make it myself, but you have come through!
Also, those were dirty banelings in both games. The last one was pretty bad, but i think the first game when Fenix went back to his base, and he lost the first push was even worse. You gotta have that marine micro to go for a marine tank push against ling baneling muta
Second game not much Fenix could do at that point, first game the banelings hitting the marines was bad though, when I was watching I was thinking "bad engagement for moon, wasting banelings"... somehow they connected lol.
On June 09 2011 10:34 KillerDucky wrote: They just replayed the same walkover clip for Artosis that they used last week. Didn't even bother to reshoot it.
They mentioned at the start of the broadcast that Artosis was forfeiting, but yes, they could've filmed again...
TBH not that big of a deal, I'm not watching the broadcast to see someone forfeit anyway, just get on with it and let's watch the other four matches.
On June 09 2011 10:35 Shellshock1122 wrote: Artosis still no internet after 3 weeks? Or is he actually just using it as a cover up since he's out of the playoffs anyways
Doubt that hes using it as a cover up as he hasn't been streaming lately.He also mentioned his internet troubles in the GSL i believe before he left for the MLG.
:\ why didn't Artosis just withdraw from the competition. I don't think he cares enough to find alternative internet access, not that he was prohibited from competing by internet latency.
On June 09 2011 10:35 Maskedsatyr wrote: Wait with Moon winning over Fenix that means he will be the first one from Division 1 to go into the finals woot!
Yup! If Morrow wins he gets 2nd. If Sheth wins he gets 1st in the division.
On June 09 2011 10:35 Maskedsatyr wrote: Wait with Moon winning over Fenix that means he will be the first one from Division 1 to go into the finals woot!
Yea, really happy to see Moon advance to the finals. Proving that he is a great player.
On June 09 2011 10:35 Maskedsatyr wrote: Wait with Moon winning over Fenix that means he will be the first one from Division 1 to go into the finals woot!
Yeah gogo Moon!
I think he's the most underrated player in SC2, you see someone like HuK saying Moon sucks, yet Moon finished quite high in MLG and now made it to NASL Finals. Just too too good, if he gets better control of his banelings he will be a top zerg IMO (or second tier, after Losira and Nestea, and close to Idra).
1) Stream doesn't work for me at the moment. 2) Is Artosis still in Korea? Not having an internet connection in Korea for more than three weeks? Fucking impossible :C He could have played from somewhere else? PC Bang, Tasteless' house, Teamliquid house, whatever. I don't get it.
On June 09 2011 10:38 tenacity wrote: 1) Stream doesn't work for me at the moment. 2) Is Artosis still in Korea? Not having an internet connection in Korea for more than three weeks? Fucking impossible :C He could have played from somewhere else? PC Bang, Tasteless' house, Teamliquid house, whatever. I don't get it.
On June 09 2011 10:35 Maskedsatyr wrote: Wait with Moon winning over Fenix that means he will be the first one from Division 1 to go into the finals woot!
Yeah gogo Moon!
I think he's the most underrated player in SC2, you see someone like HuK saying Moon sucks, yet Moon finished quite high in MLG and now made it to NASL Finals. Just too too good, if he gets better control of his banelings he will be a top zerg IMO (or second tier, after Losira and Nestea, and close to Idra).
Yea did you even see the Dreamhack invite page from today? It's like 30 pages of people complaining about Moon getting invited and about how he sucks even though he did really well at MLG and IEM. The sad thing is those same people are like YEAH MAN TYLER DESERVES THIS!! when he struggled at the same MLG Moon went to and is near the bottom of his NASL group while moon is in the playoffs...
On June 09 2011 10:38 KadaverBB wrote: Kinda sad that artosis is still using the "internet is down excuse" Good thing he didnt do it to boxer, or there would be another shitstorm!
Yeah and I guess being Artosis helps somewhat, oh well.
Still I dont understand why some can not simply finish their games. Should be possible to find that time.
On June 09 2011 10:38 KadaverBB wrote: Kinda sad that artosis is still using the "internet is down excuse" Good thing he didnt do it to boxer, or there would be another shitstorm!
The difference is that in the Artosis case we don't know if he told NASL and TLO beforehand than there would be no match and thus keep everyone from having to wait. Hopefully, Artosis informed all involved that there would be no match, since his internet has been down for a while.
However, in the PainUser case, we KNOW that he did NOT inform NASL and Boxer than there would be no match.
On June 09 2011 10:38 KadaverBB wrote: Kinda sad that artosis is still using the "internet is down excuse" Good thing he didnt do it to boxer, or there would be another shitstorm!
Yeah and I guess being Artosis helps somewhat, oh well.
Still I dont understand why some can not simply finish their games. Should be possible to find that time.
I guess it's like people keep saying... there's no real penalty/incentive to finish your games when youre out of the playoffs except pride
On June 09 2011 10:33 DoomsVille wrote: Another walkover that was never announced.
It really sucks. Waiting here until 3:30am to watch TLO vs Artosis...PLEASE announce it earlier! You knew it for days!
They did announce it in the pre-game show, which starts ~10 minutes before the games do.
And that's still way too late.
You understand that this current broadcast is intended for the North American audience and that it's rebroadcast at 6:00 PM CEST the next day, right? You can watch at a more convenient time for you.
If he wins this one he has an outside chance of making the playoffs. And a win here will probably secure a spot in the next NASL. Very important match for him.
NASL is the only major tournament that keeps people playing after they're knocked out. I think thats a problem. Just like the justin.tv issues to europe...
On June 09 2011 10:33 DoomsVille wrote: Another walkover that was never announced.
It really sucks. Waiting here until 3:30am to watch TLO vs Artosis...PLEASE announce it earlier! You knew it for days!
They did announce it in the pre-game show, which starts ~10 minutes before the games do.
And that's still way too late.
You understand that this current broadcast is intended for the North American audience and that it's rebroadcast at 6:00 PM CEST the next day, right? You can watch at a more convenient time for you.
Nice to hear you know what my most convenient time is. I can't watch the EU broadcast. And there is no reason not to announce it earlier than 10 minutes before the games. It's not an european problem btw. I am sure some NA guys wanted to see Artosis and took their time for it.
slowly its get fucking disguisting that every night justin.tv stops working for the european audience if they want us to watch the restream ok but it's pissing me off
On June 09 2011 10:46 Dingobloo wrote: That was a ridiculous hold by kiwikaki, can't believe he's actually making a game of it.
It's pretty easy to hold against hydras with that sentry count + colossus.
That loss for vibe probably cost him any chance of getting the finals
Even if he wins the next 2, map score probably won't be enough.
even if everyone above him lost 0-2 today, Vibe wouldn't make the finals. He is fighting to stay in the NASL period.
You don't need to be top 2 to make the playoffs. Players ranked 11-30 still have a chance to make the LAN. Vibe was sitting 35th before this game. A 2-0 would most likely have got him a spot in the top 30.
It's a league, tons of leagues around the world have teams that continue playing when games are meaningless, and they can't make the playoffs, or even when they are relegated.
I blame the players for not being professional and not honoring their commitments. It's surprising some of the figures that have done this, and how widespread this has been.
It's really disappointing. NASL's options are limited because it's difficult to punish the behavior of those who aren't going to be in the league next season and are least likely to play out their games.
The good thing is the more competitive the league is, the less likely it is that this will happen.
6:00 2 early stalkers takes out a spinecrawler at ViBes natural expo, and KiWiKaKi takes his natural at home
11:00
ViBe is getting infestors while taking his 3rd, KiWiKaKi is going for a blink stalker push. KiWiKaKi is able to forcefield the ramp and takes out ViBes 3rd
15:00
Beautiful blink micro is able to kill ViBe off and Kiwikaki takes game #2
On June 09 2011 10:46 Dingobloo wrote: That was a ridiculous hold by kiwikaki, can't believe he's actually making a game of it.
It's pretty easy to hold against hydras with that sentry count + colossus.
That loss for vibe probably cost him any chance of getting the finals
Even if he wins the next 2, map score probably won't be enough.
even if everyone above him lost 0-2 today, Vibe wouldn't make the finals. He is fighting to stay in the NASL period.
You don't need to be top 2 to make the playoffs. Players ranked 11-30 still have a chance to make the LAN. Vibe was sitting 35th before this game. A 2-0 would most likely have got him a spot in the top 30.
Vibe was -4. Even if he won 2-0 he would of went up some spots (to ~30). But TLO got a 2-0 walkover, moving him up a spot, meaning Vibe would of went to 31.
Then there are the otherdays, where players on the bubble if they lose, nothing changes, if they win, Vibe gets pushed lower... its just, not good for him.
I still dont understand how every single day I watch the stream it lags like hell for me. Freezing in and out , lagging , buffering etc. Ive never had a problem watching any stream and this is really retarted.
On June 09 2011 11:02 iMp.will. wrote: I still dont understand how every single day I watch the stream it lags like hell for me. Freezing in and out , lagging , buffering etc. Ive never had a problem watching any stream and this is really retarted.
Grammar Nazi here. When people spell 'retarded' as 'retarted' it annoys me. Also, yeah, I wish the stream was better, but I'm not sure why it lags for some and not for others.
On June 09 2011 11:02 iMp.will. wrote: I still dont understand how every single day I watch the stream it lags like hell for me. Freezing in and out , lagging , buffering etc. Ive never had a problem watching any stream and this is really retarted.
retarded*
I always turn down my quality. The higher qualities are just bad.
I dont know man...its tough with stream compatibility.
On June 09 2011 10:56 bobwhiz wrote: Sheth - Morrow should be the match of the night.
If it wasn't ZvZ I'd say it is (coming from a Zerg player), as is I think Moon vs Fenix was the match of the day, same stakes (winner to finals) and a ZvT that was so good.
Yeah TBH a 2-0 win and a 2-1 win should award the same amount of points, I mean the whole point of having "series" is that a single game can be situational, you should always judge a match by the series results.
InControl: "Going 15 hatch doesn't mean Sheth automatically loses BUT..."
A little disappointed, if that was true no one would go 15 hatch in ZvZ, 15 hatch is best against 14 gas/pool... so metagame-wise I'd say Sheth is ahead...
On June 09 2011 11:10 Yozki wrote: Yeah TBH a 2-0 win and a 2-1 win should award the same amount of points, I mean the whole point of having "series" is that a single game can be situational, you should always judge a match by the series results.
And what do you do when 4 people all have a 7-2 record. Flip a coin? That's not fair. it should go by most total wins or who beat who, or vice versa
Very very poor positioning by Sheth... He choked his hydras up on the ramp and then got blocked by the broodlings... couldn't get those hydras anywhere near the broodlords
On June 09 2011 10:35 Maskedsatyr wrote: Wait with Moon winning over Fenix that means he will be the first one from Division 1 to go into the finals woot!
Yeah gogo Moon!
I think he's the most underrated player in SC2, you see someone like HuK saying Moon sucks, yet Moon finished quite high in MLG and now made it to NASL Finals. Just too too good, if he gets better control of his banelings he will be a top zerg IMO (or second tier, after Losira and Nestea, and close to Idra).
When did Huk say Moon sucks? Huk's top 3 control in the world! vs Moon?
That was the best game in the history of sc2, the tension filled the air every step of the way, I could hardly breathe. There were so many units staring each other down for so long, I felt like I didn't blink for an hour.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
I wish one of them had just made a bunch of lings and run in a circle around the map, just outrunning those absurdly slow corrupters and just snipe a bunch of buildings.
On June 09 2011 11:49 Whitewing wrote: I wish one of them had just made a bunch of lings and run in a circle around the map, just outrunning those absurdly slow corrupters and just snipe a bunch of buildings.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
You have to take into account that they've good map control with ovi spread + creep, and that corrupters can catch your drop.
On June 09 2011 11:49 thoradycus wrote: thankfully it wasnt taldarim..
Please don't give me nightmares.
Would have been better there. You can just walk roaches around the broodlords and kill everything. This can only happen on tight maps with a small number of bases.
On June 09 2011 11:49 thoradycus wrote: thankfully it wasnt taldarim..
Please don't give me nightmares.
Would have been better there. You can just walk roaches around the broodlords and kill everything. This can only happen on tight maps with a small number of bases.
Exactly. Defender's advantage is just ridiculous on maps like crossfire.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
The roach runbys from both players were effective, even when they ran through spine crawler forests before hitting their target. Drops would be even more effective.
you can't engage infestor/spine/broodlord, so engage him somewhere else and do damage. he can't counterattack because you also have infestor/spine/broodlord. Then it turns into corruptors fighting for air control to deny drops and then you have corruptors away from infestors and it turns into an active game again.
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
Ultras get rolled by broodlords. they can't move
IIRC Ultralisk cavern builds a hell lot faster than a Greater spire. But yeah
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
Ultras get rolled by broodlords. they can't move
IIRC Ultralisk cavern builds a hell lot faster than a Greater spire. But yeah
Can't you bog down (and kill) ultras by spamming infested terrans everywhere? They had so much infestor energy saved up...
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
Ultras get rolled by broodlords. they can't move
IIRC Ultralisk cavern builds a hell lot faster than a Greater spire. But yeah
Can't you bog down (and kill) ultras by spamming infested terrans everywhere? They had so much infestor energy saved up...
You can make infested terran walls yes, it's pretty much the only thing you can do against them because fungal doesn't effect them if you have a ton of infesters
On June 09 2011 11:45 Oboeman wrote: I can't believe they spine crawler the middle then don't go for drops to circumvent it. learn from tvt
Terrans drop like crazy because Marines with steam are one of the most cost efficient units in the game. I don't think you can be enough cost efficient with Z.
thing is that drops can make the other guy get out of position. So yeah >_>
Anyways I liked this ZvZ. I think someone teching to Ultras would have made the difference.
Ultras get rolled by broodlords. they can't move
IIRC Ultralisk cavern builds a hell lot faster than a Greater spire. But yeah
Can't you bog down (and kill) ultras by spamming infested terrans everywhere? They had so much infestor energy saved up...
You can mess with the pathing by making infested terran walls if the opponent isn't microing.
On June 09 2011 12:05 Hunterai wrote: It's time like this that i wish the stronger team color is adopted by Blizzard. I can't tell who is winner or losing in that last fight.
To be honest, it is NASL's fault, it usually is Red and Blue to avoid this, but it is no biggie!
Pretty horrible series... just build order coinflips. Sucks for MorroW that he won't get top 2 now, this explains his dissatisfaction with NASL in his rakaka interview. Props to Sheth though, good to see him performing well.
On June 09 2011 12:05 sjschmidt93 wrote: So Moon and Sheth are in top 2.
Indeed, I was actually expecting fenix to take down moon after his ZvT performance in Columbus but then again, Moon did very well in that same tournament so they are the deserving winners of the division.
Top 4? It takes him to top 2 doesn't it? You'd think they'd revise the table and understand what's on the line in each division. I thought that was the whole point of the NASL getting better as the weeks go on, because they'd have more to talk about due to 1 game literally deciding a players future in the league.
I guess they do have to watch an awful amount of games though and it must be hard to remember all the facts, it's just a shame really.
On June 09 2011 12:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Sheth so manner. I wish I could just personally thank his parents for raising such a great kid :3
I wish he would drink/get drunk less. I worry for his health. He's one of my faves.
I've never heard of any kind of drinking problem with him, where did you hear this?
Just watching his stream. He's a social drinker, but his friends come over and bring four loko, whiskey, beer, and whiskey sours and Sheth gets trashed and streams. More drunk than I've ever been at least.
On June 09 2011 12:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Sheth so manner. I wish I could just personally thank his parents for raising such a great kid :3
I wish he would drink/get drunk less. I worry for his health. He's one of my faves.
I've never heard of any kind of drinking problem with him, where did you hear this?
Just watching his stream. He's a social drinker, but his friends come over and bring four loko, whiskey, beer, and whiskey sours and Sheth gets trashed and streams. More drunk than I've ever been at least.
Dude that's not a drinking problem, that's just having a good time.
On June 09 2011 12:07 Tewks44 wrote: haha that def. wasn't meant to be aired
On June 09 2011 12:07 iNcontroL wrote: o god
I was on bathroom break, what happened?
I missed it too and would like to know -.-
Guess i'll have to watch the European one tomorrow too if it doesn't get put in the LR to find out.
Gretorp congratulated Sheth on his victory, but Sheth had a bit of internet problems that prevented him from hearing Gretorp for a bit of time. Gretorp had to awkwardly repeat himself, and the small screw-up was not edited out.
On June 09 2011 12:07 Tewks44 wrote: haha that def. wasn't meant to be aired
On June 09 2011 12:07 iNcontroL wrote: o god
I was on bathroom break, what happened?
I missed it too and would like to know -.-
Guess i'll have to watch the European one tomorrow too if it doesn't get put in the LR to find out.
Gretorp congratulated Sheth on his victory, but Sheth had a bit of internet problems that prevented him from hearing Gretorp for a bit of time. Gretorp had to awkwardly repeat himself, and the small screw-up was not edited out.
I am disappoint. WHERE IS THE DRAMA GOD DAMMIT ! :D
lol Rainbow going for the oldest allin in the book (marine tank raven/banshee), and gretorp is like "oh.. interesting composition, but I don't think he will have enough force with those siege tanks..".
I feel bad for InControl =/, his casting is great but gretorp needs to pay more attention, he always says this kinda stuff.
Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
Game 1 of Morrow v Sheth was pretty bad, but I thought this game was great - Grubby just played so creatively with blink stalkers and then base trading and hidden expo.
Grubby is pretty good at winning the first game of his NASL matches... then losing the next two. Here's hoping he finally pulls out a series, he is much better than 0-9.
Damn, that was a fun game to watch. Never seen anything done like that before. I'm always helpless in weird game situations like that, it was nice to see how the pros manage it. Hopefully grubby can go on to take the series.
Just fyi grubby was well known for winning 99% of his base trade games , since he always did insane decisions during them in wc3 , so this just put up a smile on my face!
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
Game 1 of Morrow v Sheth was pretty bad, but I thought this game was great - Grubby just played so creatively with blink stalkers and then base trading and hidden expo.
Yea but rainbow was scared to push out against 14 blink stalkers when he basically had more tanks then stalkers....
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
Let's remember that Rainbow is Startale's team captain. I don't think he cares so much about developing into a great player. He's a lot like TheWind and Boxer, they both fell to code A after their teams started taking off in popularity. I'm sure he is busy doing things with his team rather than playing SC2 at a professional level.
On June 09 2011 12:33 windsupernova wrote: Only watched the ending >
Summary please? I started with the Starport scout....
Go Grubby!
Grubby goes for a but of an unusual blink stalker opening, with proxy pylons at both of rainbow's entrances, while rainbow goes for a marine/tank composition with a raven (and soon a banshee and a couple of vikings). Grubby kills most of rainbow's scvs after rainbow's army moves out but rainbow takes out grubby's gold and then main. Grubby has taken the 3 oclock and the 11 o clock and is producing void rays. It turns into the marine tank build protecting a floating starport, and grubby wears him down and wins thanks to his 3 colossi and multitude of chargelots.
On June 09 2011 12:33 windsupernova wrote: Only watched the ending >
Summary please? I started with the Starport scout....
Go Grubby!
Rainbow did the tasteless build, Grubby a blink stalker build to keep him contained. Rainbow was forever 1 base and basically hoping for an all in timing. The timing passed though with him being contained for too long. He had poor viking control, and then lost all his scvs while pushing across the map to the stalkers. Meanwhile Grubby had took the gold. A base race concluded, but Rainbow had no minerals whilst Grubby could just keep expanding all over the map as he lost his bases. He got stargate tech and sniped the remaining scvs bar for 1, killed every floatable building minus the starport and everything else. You saw the rest i presume.
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
All credit to grubby for doing the honorable thing, taking his medicine, and fighting it out. While his play has some way to go, others in the community could learn from him following through on his obligations.
On June 09 2011 12:38 aurum510 wrote: Let's remember that Rainbow is Startale's team captain. I don't think he cares so much about developing into a great player. He's a lot like TheWind and Boxer, they both fell to code A after their teams started taking off in popularity. I'm sure he is busy doing things with his team rather than playing SC2 at a professional level.
TheWind and Boxer are now coaches. Being a team captain doesn't mean you don't play. Was Cezanne terrible against Nestea because he was a captain?
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
wtf?
whats wrong man? :/
nvm, ur a troll
No, I am just curious as to what your wtf is for...
On June 09 2011 12:33 BuZZ123 wrote: Today is a day of fail in starcraft history. Some of the worst starcraft games to date this morning, some of the go4sc2 games, that zvz series between fxosheth and morrow, and now this. Such wierd games set up by such terrible decisions :p.
OFC maybe the world is saving up the epic for tommorows gsl matches..
wtf?
whats wrong man? :/
nvm, ur a troll
How is he a troll? These matches haven't been the highest caliber of SC2, that's fair to say. He's not attacking the players.
The top 2 players from each division advance to the final 16 man tournament. This is pretty self explanatory.
The top half (20) of the remaining 40 players are seeded into the playoffs. The playoffs consist of 5 groups of 4. The winner of each of these groups advances to the final 16 man tournament. 10 from top 2 --- 5 from this means 15 overall.
The 16th seed is the winner from the 1024 man open bracket. This person along with 7 others are in the NASL season 2.
The bottom 16 players are out of the NASL and won't be around for Season 2. A 2nd 1024 man open tournament is run for the final 8 spots where they can requalify.
50 original players -10 (top 2 each division) -20 (seeded into playoffs) -4 (random lucky guys -- the season just ends for these guys) -8 (players added from the 1024 man open tournament to make the final 16) -8 (players added to Season 2 from a 2nd 1024 man tournament)
On June 09 2011 12:40 bobwhiz wrote: I wish reapers could stim.
I actually miss Reapers back before they got double major nerfed. In professional games, it was practically unbeatable, but when I was in diamond, it was challenging, fun and created amazing battles!
On June 09 2011 12:38 aurum510 wrote: Let's remember that Rainbow is Startale's team captain. I don't think he cares so much about developing into a great player. He's a lot like TheWind and Boxer, they both fell to code A after their teams started taking off in popularity. I'm sure he is busy doing things with his team rather than playing SC2 at a professional level.
On June 09 2011 12:11 Torte de Lini wrote: Sheth so manner. I wish I could just personally thank his parents for raising such a great kid :3
I wish he would drink/get drunk less. I worry for his health. He's one of my faves.
I've never heard of any kind of drinking problem with him, where did you hear this?
Just watching his stream. He's a social drinker, but his friends come over and bring four loko, whiskey, beer, and whiskey sours and Sheth gets trashed and streams. More drunk than I've ever been at least.
Oh no, is this true? Sounds like we need an exorcist, he is obviously possessed by Satan himself.
Just want to point out something about possible lag issue from Rainbow. He has now made reapers twice in a row. I dont think he would do that with bad lag.
On June 09 2011 12:53 DaCruise wrote: Just want to point out something about possible lag issue from Rainbow. He has now made reapers twice in a row. I dont think he would do that with bad lag.
rofl
Grubby can afford 8 gateways. HuK does it for some weird reason.
2 base from Rainbow. Dear god, why do I try to support this man?
On June 09 2011 13:01 Vimsey wrote: This high number of gates into high templar is not that unusual adelscott was doing it for ages before the KA nerf.
but you see, it is normally 6 gate off of 2 base. not the 9 of grubby...
On June 09 2011 13:01 Vimsey wrote: This high number of gates into high templar is not that unusual adelscott was doing it for ages before the KA nerf.
but you see, it is normally 6 gate off of 2 base. not the 9 of grubby...
no no adelscott was doing a lot more than 6 off 2 base....11 or so but with a lot less probes and now hes gone colossus so no idea what hes doing now.
On June 09 2011 13:12 Joedaddy wrote: Game 3 of Grubby vs Rainbow was the most painful thing I have ever seen in a Pro level tournament. I know they're good but c'mon... really???
Both play equally sad. Luckily this' the last time I see them in NASL :p And fanbois on jizz mode cuz Grubby played like Iron Division and still won with mothership woohoo
one reason grubby should stay at NASL that hasn't been mentioned (or maybe it has already, sorry if im repeating but its necessary) is that he, EVEN LOSING WITH ARTOSIS -no offense intended-, and nearing an almost 0 win campaign, had the GUTS to keep on going, to keep trying, and to entertain the people (remember, like any broadcasted sport, e-sports LIVES from the entertainment of its viewers) even if he was always seen as the uber-underdog... another reason to like him, he is in the formal meaning of the word a pro -professional- player (for some not a good one, but still a pro to me) so he is to be admired and respected... Grubby fighting!!!!
On June 09 2011 13:19 ThePowerHour wrote: How can you not like this guy? I mean, come on.
He played orc >....no seriously though very hard not to. When he proposed to Cassandra at WCG was very moving.
He won his first WCG years before orc was considered OP.
He was actually pretty much at the top of the WC3 scene for his entire WC3 career (which started in like 2004). Towards the end he wasn't considered the best... but he was still a top3 orc.
good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
iirc only the bottom 3 of each division + the worst 7th I guess (since they said the last 16 players) are to compete to save their skin in NASL, only 8 of them will survive, the other 8 are out and replaced by the open tournament winners
SO sick for MorroW, leading all the way and misstepping the last match, really hope he makes it to through the bracket !
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
I don't know.
I remember them saying they would have a 2nd open tourney with 8 more spots didn't they? The second one can't get you to the finals but eliminated players from the first season can try to re-qualify in it.
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
I don't know.
I remember them saying they would have a 2nd open tourney with 8 more spots didn't they? The second one can't get you to the finals but eliminated players from the first season can try to re-qualify in it.
There are 16 spots for the playoffs. Top 2 in each division advance straight to the 16 man playoffs, which is 10 players.
The 3 through 6 in each division play in a playoff-bracket style(20 players), where 5 players will advance to the 16 man playoffs.
The last remaining spot for the 16 man playoffs is reserved for the winner of the 1million man open bracket online tourney.
The bottom 16 of the NASL will not get an auto-invite next season.
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
I don't know.
I remember them saying they would have a 2nd open tourney with 8 more spots didn't they? The second one can't get you to the finals but eliminated players from the first season can try to re-qualify in it.
There are 16 spots for the playoffs. Top 2 in each division advance straight to the 16 man playoffs, which is 10 players.
The 3 through 6 in each division play in a playoff-bracket style(20 players), where 5 players will advance to the 16 man playoffs.
The last remaining spot for the 16 man playoffs is reserved for the winner of the 1million man open bracket online tourney.
The bottom 16 of the NASL will not get an auto-invite next season.
Edit: for corrections.
Oh Ok thanks for clearing it up, so this means Grubby if he wins a type of up and down can still stay in NASL if he wins? Or as very bad stats is he guranteed to go out and replace with 1 of the 8 qualifiers? Sorry for so many questions. lol
There are 29 players with 4 or more wins in NASL; additionally, there's one matchup between two 3-win players later on this week [Div IV: BRAT_OK 3-5 (-6pt) vs Stalife 3-5 (-2pt)]; Therefore no players with 3 wins or less will make the playoffs.
On June 09 2011 16:14 Tommylew wrote: good job Grubyy, BTW if 4 players have been elimanted from this group and 4 more from every other group too and only 8 players can qualify through the open tournament that to me leaves an extra 16 players that need replacing?
It's not four from every group, it's 20 in total depending on the combined standings.
Si if 8 are getting in from open nasl tourney, where are the other 12 coming from?
I don't know.
I remember them saying they would have a 2nd open tourney with 8 more spots didn't they? The second one can't get you to the finals but eliminated players from the first season can try to re-qualify in it.
There are 16 spots for the playoffs. Top 2 in each division advance straight to the 16 man playoffs, which is 10 players.
The 3 through 6 in each division play in a playoff-bracket style(20 players), where 5 players will advance to the 16 man playoffs.
The last remaining spot for the 16 man playoffs is reserved for the winner of the 1million man open bracket online tourney.
The bottom 16 of the NASL will not get an auto-invite next season.
Edit: for corrections.
We were talking about the qualification for the next season, not for the championship finals.
Also, it is not correct that 3rd to 6th in each division go to the playoffs. The 11th-30th placed players in the overall rankings do.
Never really followed WC3 so wasn't ever really a fan of grubby but I got to give it to him for sticking it out and showing some awesome fucking games still. That move on crossfire with the single sentry and blink stalkers was so god damn sexy lol.
Lol wtf? I can't even tell if that draw offer was serious. I assume it wasn't but that's strange to say in the middle of a game like this where they both have armies and bases.
This reminds me of some BW TvT. When you initally rooted for someone, but after the game was going on forever, you just prayed for the game to end, and someone win already.
I still don't understand why pro zergs still don't spread their units at least HALF decently against banelings and infestors. How long will it take until they realize how important it can be to spread units against infestors?
On June 10 2011 03:44 Chicane wrote: I still don't understand why pro zergs still don't spread their units at least HALF decently against banelings and infestors. How long will it take until they realize how important it can be to spread units against infestors?
Because they aren't used to doing it. T are used to doing it vs banelings and infestors, and P are starting to do it vs baneling drops. Zerg rarely gets to the mass infestor stage, so it's not usually an issue.
On June 10 2011 03:44 Chicane wrote: I still don't understand why pro zergs still don't spread their units at least HALF decently against banelings and infestors. How long will it take until they realize how important it can be to spread units against infestors?
Because they aren't used to doing it. T are used to doing it vs banelings and infestors, and P are starting to do it vs baneling drops. Zerg rarely gets to the mass infestor stage, so it's not usually an issue.
If you're referring to the crossfire game, it's because they can't. Whichever one of them attacks the other one first bunches ALL their units up on that ramp and the defender basically instakills the entire army with fungals while the attacker's infestors aren't even in range of 90 percent of the defenders units :[
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