Boxer Obtains a 2-0 W.O. Painuser Gives up on NASL and BM's not even notifying NASL of this NASL hints at "this will not be forgotten" Boxer had to stay up for the entire day it will be noted because painuser didn't just notify NASL that he was quiting NASL
If it helps Next week Boxer vs Idra should make up for it
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Thanks to motbob for the format and inspiration to do the LR OP's. I hope they mention him once on NASL at some point hes really the guy who made the standard for these LR OP's
inside the game with inc and PU is on Tuesday everyone should be an interesting show...
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
Ya I realized that not long after I posted lol. Makes sense since they knew far in advance this was MLG weekend.
On June 06 2011 10:15 bkrow wrote: Anyone up for a quick recap of game 1?
I didn't watch all of it. When I checked in drewbie was on 2 bases with banshee tech. IdrA rolled over him with a roach/ling/bling attack. I don't think drewbie had any tanks because of his quick banshees so he couldn't hold.
I could be completely wrong about the tanks, I was only half paying attention.
Drewbie was doing two base Banshee Hellion, Idra faked standard Muta/Ling, but went Roach and some Banelings, canceling fourth Extractor. Did a nice job hiding the Roaches, overran Drewbie's natural, and Drewbie gg'd.
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
Ya I realized that not long after I posted lol. Makes sense since they knew far in advance this was MLG weekend.
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
Ya I realized that not long after I posted lol. Makes sense since they knew far in advance this was MLG weekend.
games are always pre-recorded
The day before. These must have been pre-recorded at least 3 or 4 days early.
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
Ya I realized that not long after I posted lol. Makes sense since they knew far in advance this was MLG weekend.
games are always pre-recorded
The day before. These must have been pre-recorded at least 3 or 4 days early.
im pretty sure its at least 2 days before because i think they work mon-fri and nasl runs wed-sun. in the case of a big event like mlg, im sure they try to fit in the last friday somewhere else.
On June 06 2011 10:33 Mailing wrote: IdrA lost his top 2 spot by losing ZvZ to sen/zenio
Zenio has to lose and idra has to beat boxer 2-0 to get back in :X
Still an outside chance Sen screws it up too... but yea he'll need a ton of luck to hit that top 2.
EDIT: Zenio is also playing painuser next week (ie free 2-0). So basically tyler needs to beat him today for IdrA to have any chance of overtaking him.
Very important matches for seeding coming up. Sen wins against Cloud and he secures a top 2 spot. Zenio wins and he guarantees that IdrA can't make the top 2.
EDIT: That's wrong. Both of them need to happen to keep IdrA out of the top 2.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
On June 06 2011 10:45 DoomsVille wrote: Very important matches for seeding coming up. Sen wins against Cloud and he secures a top 2 spot. Zenio wins and he guarantees that IdrA can't make the top 2.
false... there's still next week.
If sen wins 2-1 then if he goes 0-2 next week and IdrA 2-0's boxer, then Idra would be able to pass up Sen.
If Zenio wins 2-1 this and next week and Idra goes 2-0 then idra passes up Zenio.
2-1 is worth 1 point, 2-0 is worth 2 points.
Idra can pass both these players with 2-1's in this and/or next week.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
I want to root for great players, not poseurs.
I have never seen a successful eSports scene where all the players are "foreign" to the scene itself. Does it happen in other sports?
On June 06 2011 10:45 DoomsVille wrote: Very important matches for seeding coming up. Sen wins against Cloud and he secures a top 2 spot. Zenio wins and he guarantees that IdrA can't make the top 2.
false... there's still next week.
If sen wins 2-1 then if he goes 0-2 next week and IdrA 2-0's boxer, then Idra would be able to pass up Sen.
If Zenio wins 2-1 this and next week and Idra goes 2-0 then idra passes up Zenio.
2-1 is worth 1 point, 2-0 is worth 2 points.
Idra can pass both these players with 2-1's in this and/or next week.
Zenio is facing painuser next week. He will get a 2-0 walkover. I guess there is no guarantee of that, but it is very very likely.
If sen is 2-1 this week and 0-2 next week he will be at 9 points. IdrA (with a 2-0 next week) can reach 9 at most. Sen wins the tiebreaker (H2H match).
How does this tournament end anyway? Is there going to be some kind of finals match between 2 players or something or is the whole tournament determined by point results?
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
I want to root for great players, not poseurs.
I have never seen a successful eSports scene where all the players are "foreign" to the scene itself. Does it happen in other sports?
It took a while, but both the NHL and NBA have made a concentrated effort to bring in international players, and it has widened their market significantly.
Look at GSL right now. They are desperate to improve the diversity of their league, because ultimately, they know that A) there is some great non-Korean talent out there and B) having only Korean players limits their audience.
It's only a problem if you believe that the Top 50 SC2 Players are all Korean ... which I don't think is true. If NASL went after the best 50 players in the world, maybe half would be Korean, but the tournament would still be awesome.
On June 06 2011 10:57 sereniity wrote: How does this tournament end anyway? Is there going to be some kind of finals match between 2 players or something or is the whole tournament determined by point results?
There will be a 16 man LAN tournament (not sure if it's double or single elimination).
10 spots will be filled by the top 2 players in each division.
The remaining 40 players are ranked based on W/L ratio and points. Players ranked 11-30 will compete in a playoff to determine who else joins the LAN. The 20 players are split into 5 brackets of 4 players, single elimination, top player in each bracket joins the other 10 in the LAN tournament.
The 16th player is determined through an open online qualifier. The winner of that will join the LAN.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
I want to root for great players, not poseurs.
I have never seen a successful eSports scene where all the players are "foreign" to the scene itself. Does it happen in other sports?
It took a while, but both the NHL and NBA have made a concentrated effort to bring in international players, and it has widened their market significantly.
Look at GSL right now. They are desperate to improve the diversity of their league, because ultimately, they know that A) there is some great non-Korean talent out there and B) have only Korean players limits their audience.
It's only a problem if you believe that the Top 50 SC2 Players are all Korean ... which I don't think is true. If NASL went after the best 50 players in the world, maybe half would be Korean, but the tournament would still be awesome.
To be fair, I'd say roughly 2/3rds of it would be Korean, but I see your point.
On June 06 2011 10:57 sereniity wrote: How does this tournament end anyway? Is there going to be some kind of finals match between 2 players or something or is the whole tournament determined by point results?
There's a tournament in july for the 16 best players (10 from points, 5 from playoffs, 1 from an open tournament)
On June 06 2011 10:57 sereniity wrote: How does this tournament end anyway? Is there going to be some kind of finals match between 2 players or something or is the whole tournament determined by point results?
On June 06 2011 10:59 Stress wrote: What in the world was Socke just doing? He should have just went back to Mana's base and kill the rest of the buildings in it.
He doesn't know if Mana is hiding any more probes and what kind of resources he has left though :/
He could put pylons down all over the map as his base goes down. And at the same time destroy Socke's base. Better to keep following his army and see what he's doing.
oh yeah does anyone want me to get the correct group for today or can I just skip it? or does someone want to learn how to make lr threads?
If you don't want to do it, just remove it entirely. Better to have missing information than wrong information. Not entirely necessary anyways... liquipedia + nasl site covers standings pretty well.
On June 06 2011 11:43 Dexington wrote: Hey, if anyone is interested in who will qualify as the top two in each division, check out the write up I just posted:
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
I want to root for great players, not poseurs.
I have never seen a successful eSports scene where all the players are "foreign" to the scene itself. Does it happen in other sports?
It took a while, but both the NHL and NBA have made a concentrated effort to bring in international players, and it has widened their market significantly.
Look at GSL right now. They are desperate to improve the diversity of their league, because ultimately, they know that A) there is some great non-Korean talent out there and B) having only Korean players limits their audience.
It's only a problem if you believe that the Top 50 SC2 Players are all Korean ... which I don't think is true. If NASL went after the best 50 players in the world, maybe half would be Korean, but the tournament would still be awesome.
Yup, as a Canadian let me just say that I get super excited to see non Canadians/Americans/Russians doing well in hockey. European hockey is really taking off now with great showing last Olympics from Finland especially, and Sweden is always in contention. Slowly but surely it's opening up to everyone.
More relevantly. For some time professional hockey players were not allowed to participate in the Olympics and this drove viewership down MASSIVELY. I think that's relateable to the debate here. Maybe its hard for us "foreigners" to do well when we invite the best of the best. But that produces the most exciting games and gradually I do believe that the best foreigners WILL push themselves to be on the same level as Koreans. They see that it's possible, and now some of them WILL rise to the challenge.
On June 06 2011 11:44 DoomsVille wrote: Sens ZvT does look pretty pretty awful compared to a Ret or IdrA. Semi-spanishiwa style with no aggression and pure roaches? Very strange...
On June 06 2011 11:24 Noam wrote: Is PainUser going to play tonight, or has he pulled out entirely?
If PainUser pulls out, he's basically fucking over IdrA.
Realistically he's not going to be beating Zenio / Boxer even if he played (and he didn't beat Idra either). So it doesn't really matter.
Hey man, if the games didn't matter, you would just forgo the entire season, rank the players, and have Boxer and July automatically play the Finals.
There's a reason why players should play out the games -- you never know what will happen. For example, not a single analyst or expert predicted the Dallas Mavericks would be in the NBA Finals.
On June 06 2011 11:44 DoomsVille wrote: Sens ZvT does look pretty pretty awful compared to a Ret or IdrA. Semi-spanishiwa style with no aggression and pure roaches? Very strange...
those are two amazing players tho....
Ok... How about his ZvT looks awful compared to his ZvP and ZvZ
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
yeah i feel so spoiled... that game seemed pretty boring, but w/e
Drewbie was just outclassed here - doesn't make for very exciting games.
After mlg, NASL seems dull altogether
After watching MLG, it just legitimizes everything that guys like Huk, Idra and Jinro have been saying for months.
Most of the 'top' North American players wouldn't stand a chance in Code A or Code S GSL. They're 'fair weather' pro's. They're just weaker overall, and only take the game half-seriously.
I really hope more Koreans continue to participate in foreign tournaments, and leave the GSL all together to play the foreign circuit. It would raise the standard of play and professionalism very quickly. It might be bad for the foreign players, but great for the foreign fans and scene.
I want to root for great players, not poseurs.
I have never seen a successful eSports scene where all the players are "foreign" to the scene itself. Does it happen in other sports?
It took a while, but both the NHL and NBA have made a concentrated effort to bring in international players, and it has widened their market significantly.
Look at GSL right now. They are desperate to improve the diversity of their league, because ultimately, they know that A) there is some great non-Korean talent out there and B) having only Korean players limits their audience.
It's only a problem if you believe that the Top 50 SC2 Players are all Korean ... which I don't think is true. If NASL went after the best 50 players in the world, maybe half would be Korean, but the tournament would still be awesome.
Yup, as a Canadian let me just say that I get super excited to see non Canadians/Americans/Russians doing well in hockey. European hockey is really taking off now with great showing last Olympics from Finland especially, and Sweden is always in contention. Slowly but surely it's opening up to everyone.
More relevantly. For some time professional hockey players were not allowed to participate in the Olympics and this drove viewership down MASSIVELY. I think that's relateable to the debate here. Maybe its hard for us "foreigners" to do well when we invite the best of the best. But that produces the most exciting games and gradually I do believe that the best foreigners WILL push themselves to be on the same level as Koreans. They see that it's possible, and now some of them WILL rise to the challenge.
I 100% agree. I think it would ultimately help foreign competition, not hurt it.
So Mana polish non visa waiver country says he didnt go to columbus because he didnt have a visa, Nightend Romanian not allowed in to NASL because he lives in a non visa waiver country and has no visa despite not being asked to provide one before hand....liked the games but seems that there is one rule for some.
On June 06 2011 11:44 DoomsVille wrote: Sens ZvT does look pretty pretty awful compared to a Ret or IdrA. Semi-spanishiwa style with no aggression and pure roaches? Very strange...
Yeah I hate non-mutalisk play. I feel you need to either hit them with a timing or get fast t3, or you just get walked over with drops
Sens been floating atleast 1k/1k resources for the last 5 minutes... why the heck doesn't he just plop down some more production facilities? This happens in like every game he plays...
On June 06 2011 11:54 NightAngel wrote: "If that game doesn't get your blood going.." - iNcontrol
Well, my friends, not after MLG Columbus!!!
Haha I was thinking the same thing when Inc said that.
To be fair, it was recorded BEFORE Columbus
I know, so I kind of feel sorry for them that they've had to be the followup to that tournament today, but that's ok. I'm still enjoying aftermath of MLG
On June 06 2011 12:02 Risen wrote: Wish I could be watching right now... Keep me updated!
Err.. Cloud was going for a 6 rax, cancelled 5 as a drone got into his base, killed the drone, remade barracks and won with marines and nearly all his SCVs.
Sen has to play Socke next week... and Socke has a ton to play for (needs a win to have any chance of making the playoffs)... so this will get very very interesting.
Incidentally, Zenio can basically lock up a spot in the top 2 with a 2-0 win right now.
On June 06 2011 12:06 Fubi wrote: Is painuser even gonna play?
If Painuser gives Boxer a walkover, he deserves to be banished! Forget the tournament for a second. How many players get the chance to play against the Emperor, ever?
Just curious, what happened to Tyler? Has his quick upgrade style been completely figured out? He used to be taking games off Idra and other top names but has been kinda in a slump recently.
Gotta say, I am a serious fan of Incontrol's casting, and the whole NASL casting team -- Idra, Inc, Gretorp, Bitter, etc. The calm, analytical style is great.
On June 06 2011 12:18 openbox1 wrote: Just curious, what happened to Tyler? Has his quick upgrade style been completely figured out? He used to be taking games off Idra and other top names but has been kinda in a slump recently.
Isn't he one of those who was really good at BW?
He took a game off idra last week in NASL, and one off MC yesterday. So…
On June 06 2011 12:18 openbox1 wrote: Just curious, what happened to Tyler? Has his quick upgrade style been completely figured out? He used to be taking games off Idra and other top names but has been kinda in a slump recently.
Isn't he one of those who was really good at BW?
He took a game off idra last week in NASL, and one off MC yesterday. So…
oh didn't realize that. Just seems to be losing his matches overall. Didn't realize he was taking games off these guys.
On June 06 2011 12:31 MYM.ClouD wrote: tyler is playing well but i don't understand why so late upgrades
I feel like he just hasn't flushed out these builds as much as he maybe should, or his practice partners aren't very diverse idk... Speaking in ignorance
On June 06 2011 12:18 openbox1 wrote: Just curious, what happened to Tyler? Has his quick upgrade style been completely figured out? He used to be taking games off Idra and other top names but has been kinda in a slump recently.
Isn't he one of those who was really good at BW?
He took a game off idra last week in NASL, and one off MC yesterday. So…
So he still didn't win the series in either. Dude was one of the best at BW, but just has never come into his own in SC2. Even if he wins a game here and there, he is wildly inconsistent. Unfortunately, he's been in a slump since the beginning of SC2. I wish it weren't so
Seems like Tyler didn't transition from mid to late game as far as tech and upgrades go. It's like he thought he was at the 12-15 minute mark instead of 30
What was that? Tyler's micro and tactics were brilliant, but his strategy was horrific. He literally built nothing but Stalkers the entire game, even into the late game; and he didn't even morph his DTs into Archons. If he had capitalized on his advantage literally at all by getting higher tech units and upgrading he could have won that several times over...
Tyler was actually 20 supply up at one point with mass blink stalkers.
MC would be 2-0 and steamrolling those roaches with blink at that point
Nony kept blinking big chunks of stalkers instead of just ones in the front, and his big fight at the third of zenio he FFed too late and lost all his sentries
I think tyler should hold the roach/ling aggression... he has plenty of sentries and some damage dealing stalkers. Only thing that might screw him over is he doesn't have too much simcitying going on at his natural.
On June 06 2011 12:54 Severedevil wrote: Zenio's lost. He's spending all his money on upgrades/tech instead of units --> can't counter, and he's behind on economy. Zenio will lose.
Lawl, Tyler. I've been withholding my judgment, but Tyler just isn't producing results. Is there some sort of curse that has befallen team liquid? He needs to just sit down and decide on where he wants to take his gaming career.
Maybe he can still use some of that knowledge and experience to become a dedicated coach like Cella? Cuz being a progamer just isn't working anymore. To say the least that Micro (or lack there of) was pathetic.
On June 06 2011 12:58 thekibk wrote: omfg that was so depressing. Idra's out because of that last battle. T_T damn't Tyler.
He can make it through in the playoff round robin.
And no, it's because Zenio beat Idra directly. (more realistically)
yeah. not blaming it all on tyler, but if tyler had beat idra or taken a game (not sure about how they handle times), then idra would have had a chance. regardless. Idra would've gotten a free spot in.
On June 06 2011 12:58 last.resistance wrote: So Tyler doesn't micro his army against the baneling drops
Then plays brilliantly in splitting up his army to handle the two pronged attacked.
Then doesn't micro his army against the baneling drops.
?
It's so bizarre, because he played brilliantly in both games, except for one bizarre, gaping error that cost him the game. (First one, skipping upgrades/splash; second one, not microing his army at all against baneling drops.)
Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance. There is basically no way for IdrA to advance now unless Zenio loses and it doesn't seem like he will.
Now the only way IdrA can advance is if painuser shows up next week and takes atleast 1 game from Zenio. If that happens, a 2-0 win for IdrA will put him in the top 2.
Aside from that, looks like he's going to have to compete to get a spot in the LAN.
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Not impressed with PainUser, I was a huge fan of him, but honestly this is just really disappointing, for someone trying to work on "building eSports" etc with IGN... this is really weak.
Wow utter fail by Painuser. iNcontrol sounds really pissed off at him.
Not showing up for this match is even worse than the others. I mean, seriously, will Painuser ever have another chance to play the Emperor again? In his life?
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
Actually... do you get 2 pts for a walkover or not? Because there has been conflicting reports on this throughout the season. If you don't, then IdrA will advance with a 2-0 win over Boxer.
if there is no reason behind it (sickness or whatever) then he should be banned for at least 2 seasons from the nasl for bad behaviour there where so many good players wo didnt get a nasl spot :/
On June 06 2011 13:08 MechKing wrote: Didn't Painuser say he has to work 40 hours a week now?
Does it matter? He still needs to contact a LEAGUE that he is in to tell them he can't play instead of making one of the best players of all time stay up at 4 a.m. to not get a game.
On June 06 2011 12:59 MechKing wrote: There was lag? Wouldn't everyone have felt it? Sounds like a cheap excuse imo. I may be wrong but zenio didn't complain at all or anything.
If Tyler's computer was glitching out/overwhelmed (which is most likely to happen during a busy battle) he might be the only one feeling 'lag'.
If you can't complete what you have signed up for, it is your responsibility to notify people who are expecting and relying on you. My dad taught me this as a child, its a shame not everyone feels the same.
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
Zenio will be ahead of Boxer if boxer loses next week. Zenio has the win in the H2H and they will be tied for points if Boxer loses.
Man, wish NASL posted something (or edited a message into the start of their vod) about Painuser not showing up. I stayed up after a long day of MLG just to see boxer, and now to find out no games. FFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffff
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 9 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
Wow thats jsut pathetic from Painuser! What a bitch.... sounds harsh but imo its true, everyone else atleast contacts them about not showing, 3 weeks in a row is unacceptable, especially this week when Boxer the emperor the god of E sports wakes up in the early morning and you don't even tell nasl that you quit weeks ago? Absolutely disgusting!
Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
That's sickening from PainUser. You don't join up to a league and disrespect it. Even more, you don't disrespect your opponent. Even more, you don't disrespect a Korean who has to get up at 3am to play you. Even more, when that Korean is the damn Emperor.
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
Doesn't IdrA have 7 points after his wins *today*?
Wow pretty douchelike from PainUser. The least he could do is inform the league. Making Boxer wait around at some ungodly hour is disrespectful and unprofessional.
I mean Boxer is one of the reasons eSports is so big, without Boxer he probably wouldn't be working in eSports or getting the opportunity to play in a $100,000 league, at least show him the gratitude of not being stood up.
I get that he feels that since hes working full time he cant put on a game he would be rpoud of so he is deciding not to play. I am a little confused why he cant just pick a phone and tell them that instead of inconviencing other people.
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
IdrA has 5 points
He has 7 after today
If he 2-0 boxer, he has 9, which is the most he can get.
Zenio will take the walk-over vs Painuser and have 10
Sen at the worst will have 9 with idra, but win because of head to head
On June 06 2011 13:12 Paradice wrote: Incontrol emotional, and has a right to be.
That's sickening from PainUser. You don't join up to a league and disrespect it. Even more, you don't disrespect your opponent. Even more, you don't disrespect a Korean who has to get up at 3am to play you. Even more, when that Korean is the damn Emperor.
On June 06 2011 13:12 felizuno wrote: Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
I think he said too little actually, if they can't get ahold of him at all, this will atleast get enough people outraged to get Painuser to come out of hiding and talk about his decision to do that.
On June 06 2011 13:12 felizuno wrote: Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
Why? InControl is the face of this league, and its an embarrassment to the league to have a guy taking up slots quitting half-way through because he sucks so much he can't even get a win. its like the Kansas City Royals going and not playing past June in baseball.
I think its fine that Incontrol hit this pretty hard, I mean walkovers suck for everyone, and someone had to be made an example of, Painuser just happened to be the first to skip out on that many games so...
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
Doesn't IdrA have 7 points after his wins *today*?
err Right - point stands though, IdrA would have more points than Sen.
On June 06 2011 13:12 felizuno wrote: Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
No thats completely fine what Incontrol is saying.... he should be saying worse things... 3 weeks in a row Painuser has fucked them over.... inexcusable and completely worthy or public defamation .
On June 06 2011 13:12 felizuno wrote: Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
No thats completely fine what Incontrol is saying.... he should be saying worse things... 3 weeks in a row Painuser has fucked them over.... inexcusable and completely worthy or public defamation .
Let NASL make an official statement... OR make the personal statements on Inside the game either or
On June 06 2011 13:13 Adreme wrote: I get that he feels that since hes working full time he cant put on a game he would be rpoud of so he is deciding not to play. I am a little confused why he cant just pick a phone and tell them that instead of inconviencing other people.
Exactly.
If his life changed and he weren't able to play anymore, and let everyone know he was bowing out of the league, that'd be one thing. I'd respect that, and that's perfectly fine.
If you just DROP OFF THE EARTH, there's absolutely no reason you can't write them an email letting everyone know, 'btw, i can't do this anymore.'
That's honestly all i feel like we'd need to see. just ignoring us is ridiculous.
Edit:
On June 06 2011 13:14 haffy wrote: I think you should at least hear what Painuser says before everyone jumps on the hate bandwagon.
That's exactly the issue though. He HASN'T HAD ANYTHING TO SAY FOR 3 WEEKS.
If this were a one time thing, fine. When the league hasn't been able to contact you for 3 weeks? there's an issue.
On June 06 2011 13:11 Fubi wrote: Man, wish NASL posted something (or edited a message into the start of their vod) about Painuser not showing up. I stayed up after a long day of MLG just to see boxer, and now to find out no games. FFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffff
Youre full of shit. A PU bs boxer game? Gj painuser now your casting career is fucked also
On June 06 2011 13:12 felizuno wrote: Feel like Incontrol said a few too many words about the Painuser no-show. Sounded like he took it personally and was trying to hint at something.... def not the venue for that
No thats completely fine what Incontrol is saying.... he should be saying worse things... 3 weeks in a row Painuser has fucked them over.... inexcusable and completely worthy or public defamation .
2 weeks in a row. He did play his match vs drewbie.
honestly what the shit tits. i was gearing up to watch the emperor, then i realize the entire NASL is already over without having shown the last match up by the time i tune in. im sure it was either totally unexplained by NASL or it was that fucking painkilleruser guy blowing off "responsibility" yet again
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
IdrA has 5 points
He has 7 after today
If he 2-0 boxer, he has 9, which is the most he can get.
Zenio will take the walk-over vs Painuser and have 10
Sen at the worst will have 9 with idra, but win because of head to head
idra is rank 3 at best
I corrected my initial post. Sen could finish with 7 points if he loses 0-2 vs Socke.
I kinda feel like NASL should know that PainUser isn't showing up. Especially after what he said on ITG last week, how he is done playing right now and can't do NASL cause he can never reschedule since he's working with IGN
Thats all fine and good for him. He's still an ass and a scumbag for not telling NASL that he has decided to quit for 3 WEEKS, ignoring calls and e-mails etc. disgusting....
How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
On June 06 2011 13:17 jmbthirteen wrote: I kinda feel like NASL should know that PainUser isn't showing up. Especially after what he said on ITG last week, how he is done playing right now and can't do NASL cause he can never reschedule since he's working with IGN
You can cast and still play (Gretorp, incontrol, artosis), to a limited extent albeit, but completely blowing off a league like this (not just not showing up, but ignoring attempts to contact, etc.) is a complete sign of disrespect and shows a lot about painuser's character.
On June 06 2011 13:16 hoor3x wrote: I'm sorry to ask this but did boxer get the win or a loss? I was watching and i missed part of what they said so I'm, kind of, in the dark.
Boxer gets a walk over win because Painuser did not show up to play his match.
why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
I am not so much bummed that I didn't get to see PainUser, but I am pretty bummed I didn't get to see Boxer I think what Incontrol said was fine - I don't believe it was too harsh. If you sign up for something like the NASL, you should finish it, regardless of how well you do. Besides that, good job and thank you NASL for continuing to put on a good show
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
IdrA has 5 points
He has 7 after today
If he 2-0 boxer, he has 9, which is the most he can get.
Zenio will take the walk-over vs Painuser and have 10
Sen at the worst will have 9 with idra, but win because of head to head
idra is rank 3 at best
Sen at the worst will have 7, if he loses 0-2 to Socke. He got -1 pt today, bringing him down to 9.
Boxer can get 11 at most, 7 at worst. If he gets 7 and Sen gets 7 he will advance because of HtH.
Zenio will get 10.
IdrA can get 9 at most, 5 at worst.
IdrA advancing will require Sen to lose to Socke 0-2 and him to win vs. Boxer 2-0.
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Boxer has to get up super early in the mornings and waited hours apparently.
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
He stood up The Emperor. That's a big deal. I believe in Saudi Arabia they still stone people to death for that crime.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Not the best way? lol make mistakes? he ignored them for 3 god damn weeks? and it does affect his casting career, who wants to hire a disrespectful unprofessional no show to cast for them?
On June 06 2011 13:20 iNCuBuS_ wrote: I am not so much bummed that I didn't get to see PainUser, but I am pretty bummed I didn't get to see Boxer I think what Incontrol said was fine - I don't believe it was too harsh. If you sign up for something like the NASL, you should finish it, regardless of how well you do. Besides that, good job and thank you NASL for continuing to put on a good show
At minimum, you actually get off your ass, stop being a pussy, and tell people you're not going to show up.
On June 06 2011 13:17 Clicker wrote: PU BM'd? I missed it so I'm curious.
InC basically said, Painuser hasn't shown up again, this is the 3rd week in a row, we're extremely disappointed we haven't been able to get in contact with him.
When we try to get in touch with people, we email them, as their time comes up, we call, call their friends, call anyone who might be able to get in touch with them, so if there's a serious scheduling issue, we can address it (in case of emergencies etc). We have been completely unable to contact painuser with any attempt.
then he went on to compare it to a middleschool breakup where you don't know you're broken up with until all of a sudden the girl doesn't call you back anymore and you just come to the realization yourself.
He said he's extremely disappointed and emphasized that it was extremely unprofessional to not even let everyone know that he bailed on us.
he also said that BoxeR was upset because he had to wait for a while, and wasn't allowed to go, even though painuser has a history of being a flake.
That's pretty much it. Anyone feel free to let me know if i missed something.
On June 06 2011 13:11 Fubi wrote: Man, wish NASL posted something (or edited a message into the start of their vod) about Painuser not showing up. I stayed up after a long day of MLG just to see boxer, and now to find out no games. FFFFFFFFFFFFffffffffffff
Youre full of shit. A PU bs boxer game? Gj painuser now your casting career is fucked also
agreed, and rightfully so. This should be a black mark on PU's esports career. No sense of accountability or professionalism. He should at least told NASL he wasnt gonna show so they know it beforehand, not just stand them up.
I hope he gets shitlisted from casting for this because he not only made NASL look bad while wasting Boxer's time, but also wasted all the viewers time who were excited to see boxer play albeit against PU who hadnt won a game thusfar.
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
IdrA has 5 points
He has 7 after today
If he 2-0 boxer, he has 9, which is the most he can get.
Zenio will take the walk-over vs Painuser and have 10
Sen at the worst will have 9 with idra, but win because of head to head
idra is rank 3 at best
Sen at the worst will have 7, if he loses 0-2 to Socke. He got -1 pt today, bringing him down to 9.
Boxer can get 11 at most, 7 at worst. If he gets 7 and Sen gets 7 he will advance because of HtH.
Zenio will get 10.
IdrA can get 7 at most, 3 at worst.
Right now the person whose advancement they're fighting it out for is Sen. If IdrA falls 0-2 to Boxer there is no way Sen can advance because he will have 11 points at most, versus Boxer's 11, meaning HtH will give Boxer the advancement.
IdrA's score against Boxer and Sen's score against Socke will determine whether Sen advances. His fate is half in IdrA's hands.
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Boxer has to get up super early in the mornings and waited hours apparently.
And this is supposed to be a professional league...
This isn't some clanwar between a bunch of C- newbies...
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
It's not literally a crime in a legal sense. But in an ethical sense, not showing up for a match that you signed up for, especially against the most respected figure in the industry, is as bad as committing a crime.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
At the very least it shows that he is unprofessional (not playing his matches 3 weeks in a row), and at the very worst it shows his lack of respect for eSports (not telling NASL of his intention to quit the league, standing up BOXER, the father of SC esports, of all people).
On June 06 2011 13:04 Azarkon wrote: Basically, Zenio, Sen, and IdrA are fighting it out for second spot at the moment (not sure about Boxer but he'll likely go 7-1 in the match vs. PainUser). Both Zenio and IdrA have lost to Sen and/or have worse points so Sen will advance unless he loses next week. If he loses next week, however, and IdrA and Zenio both win their coming matches, then Zenio will advance.
Sen has 9 points
idra has 7
if idra 2-0 boxer and sen 0-2, sen passes because he beat idra right?
Yes.
Actually, how many points does Zenio have? Can he still make the finals or is Sen auto-advancing now?
If IdrA 2-0s boxer, he has 11 points. If Sen loses 0-2, he would have 7 points. IdrA would advance.
I hope PU got fined.
IdrA has 5 points
He has 7 after today
If he 2-0 boxer, he has 9, which is the most he can get.
Zenio will take the walk-over vs Painuser and have 10
Sen at the worst will have 9 with idra, but win because of head to head
idra is rank 3 at best
Sen at the worst will have 7, if he loses 0-2 to Socke. He got -1 pt today, bringing him down to 9.
Boxer can get 11 at most, 7 at worst. If he gets 7 and Sen gets 7 he will advance because of HtH.
Zenio will get 10.
IdrA can get 7 at most, 3 at worst.
Right now the person whose advancement they're fighting it out for is Sen. If IdrA falls 0-2 to Boxer there is no way Sen can advance because he will have 11 points at most, versus Boxer's 11, meaning HtH will give Boxer the advancement.
IdrA's score against Boxer and Sen's score against Socke will determine whether Sen advances. His fate is half in IdrA's hands.
IdrA has 7. He can get 9 at most, 5 at worst.
Yeah, forgot to take into account his wins today. Fixed.
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
It wastes the time of everyone involved with the NASL, is incredibly rude to the players who were not selected to participate in the NASL, disrespects Boxer, and it has been going on for quite a bit of time now. At the moment it's more than him "being weird".
And I'm more than just slightly upset because I got up way early in order to catch a Boxer match. He's acting like a real douchebag by doing this, and it is perfectly understandable why people get upset. I'm glad iNcontrol called him out on it.
On June 06 2011 13:17 Clicker wrote: PU BM'd? I missed it so I'm curious.
InC basically said, Painuser hasn't shown up again, this is the 3rd week in a row, we're extremely disappointed we haven't been able to get in contact with him.
When we try to get in touch with people, we email them, as their time comes up, we call, call their friends, call anyone who might be able to get in touch with them, so if there's a serious scheduling issue, we can address it (in case of emergencies etc). We have been completely unable to contact painuser with any attempt.
then he went on to compare it to a middleschool breakup where you don't know you're broken up with until all of a sudden the girl doesn't call you back anymore and you just come to the realization yourself.
He said he's extremely disappointed and emphasized that it was extremely unprofessional to not even let everyone know that he bailed on us.
he also said that BoxeR was upset because he had to wait for a while, and wasn't allowed to go, even though painuser has a history of being a flake.
That's pretty much it. Anyone feel free to let me know if i missed something.
I would be too. It completely fucks up your day having to wake up that early and your sleeping schedule. I'd be pissed that the guy couldn't inform them and that I had to stay up even longer, which will either leave me to stay up all day as to not fuck up my sleeping schedule or sleep and then wake up with half my day gone.
why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Spots in this league were highly coveted and debated amongst the community at great length. Painuser took one of those spots that could have gone to another Terran player.
Going into the league all the players knew about the schedule and even had to put down a deposit to ensure their responsibility in the league.
I believe this brings the total number of walkovers for Painuser to 4, including one where he was at the MLG headquarters. That's almost half of his matches missed.
It was also a chance to play the biggest name in SC history. People passionate for this game would not turn down that opportunity, they would find a way to make it work.
On June 06 2011 13:20 iNCuBuS_ wrote: I am not so much bummed that I didn't get to see PainUser, but I am pretty bummed I didn't get to see Boxer I think what Incontrol said was fine - I don't believe it was too harsh. If you sign up for something like the NASL, you should finish it, regardless of how well you do. Besides that, good job and thank you NASL for continuing to put on a good show
I'm bummed that we didn't get to see Nightend, or Dimaga, or other players that really wanted to be in the league that were passed over to give Painuser a spot.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
At the very least it shows that he is unprofessional (not playing his matches 3 weeks in a row), and worst it shows his lack of respect for eSports (not telling NASL of his intention to quit the league, standing up BOXER, the father of SC esports, of all people).
I agree it is really rude and extremely disrespectful, but frankly I will support Painuser casting 'cause he is 10x better at casting than your average caster. We need more ex-play analyst style casters and less play-by-play guys who don't know enough about the game and can't even play it at a diamond/masters level. That is why I think it is ridiculous to say this hurts his casting career.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Sure, shit happens, but: 1. Somebody has to pick up the shit and someone has to pay for it. I'm sorry but the "get over it, shit happens" answer is as stupid as it gets. Say Painuser actually cares about this, he would show up. Qxc does it, Grubby does it and so do the rest of the players who by now know they have no chance of making the playoffs. It's completely hypocritical to say you want the growth of esports in North America yet you completely walk off on one of the attempts to make it big. Show up, do two cheesy plays that your opponents fend off, take you 20 minutes. People forget you as a player, you make your living as a decent caster, everyone is happy. But his way of handling things is not only completely childish but also pusillanimous. It isn't just a "shit happens" thing, is setting a Horrible example of esports in NA, it has to be dealt with swiftly and with, hopefully, truly terrible consequences for Painuser.
I hope NASL can make him truly regret doing this.
But Inc said it best: "You don't ditch the emperor."
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Because he is still working in the same industry (E-sport) that he has no respect and professionalism in. How do you expect the audience to watch someone like that cast? I for one will have an awkward feeling watching him comment
On June 06 2011 13:17 Clicker wrote: PU BM'd? I missed it so I'm curious.
InC basically said, Painuser hasn't shown up again, this is the 3rd week in a row, we're extremely disappointed we haven't been able to get in contact with him.
When we try to get in touch with people, we email them, as their time comes up, we call, call their friends, call anyone who might be able to get in touch with them, so if there's a serious scheduling issue, we can address it (in case of emergencies etc). We have been completely unable to contact painuser with any attempt.
then he went on to compare it to a middleschool breakup where you don't know you're broken up with until all of a sudden the girl doesn't call you back anymore and you just come to the realization yourself.
He said he's extremely disappointed and emphasized that it was extremely unprofessional to not even let everyone know that he bailed on us.
he also said that BoxeR was upset because he had to wait for a while, and wasn't allowed to go, even though painuser has a history of being a flake.
That's pretty much it. Anyone feel free to let me know if i missed something.
I would be too. It completely fucks up your day having to wake up that early and your sleeping schedule. I'd be pissed that the guy couldn't inform them and that I had to stay up even longer, which will either leave me to stay up all day as to not fuck up my sleeping schedule or sleep and then wake up with half my day gone.
Believe me, i completely agree. i can't even imagine how frustrating it would be to be woken up at 3 in the morning, forced to sit at my computer for like 2 hours, not really doing anything committal, then trying to go BACK to bed / get a regular start to my day.....
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
At the very least it shows that he is unprofessional (not playing his matches 3 weeks in a row), and worst it shows his lack of respect for eSports (not telling NASL of his intention to quit the league, standing up BOXER, the father of SC esports, of all people).
I agree it is really rude and extremely disrespectful, but frankly I will support Painuser casting 'cause he is 10x better at casting than your average caster. We need more ex-play analyst style casters and less play-by-play guys who don't know enough about the game and can't even play it at a diamond/masters level. That is why I think it is ridiculous to say this hurts his casting career.
From a fan point of view, it does not really hurt his casting career.... but Tournament hosts might be more reluctant to hire some one who is known to be unprofessional/not show up without any warning... especially since how dodgy he has been about it...
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
You and everyone defending PainUser... seriously I would stop that, because that speaks volumes about your character and the way you approach your profissional life.
I wonder if it has to do with the age of most people posting in this forum (teenagers, university students) and I understand that most of you have never had a job or something like that, but this kind of behavior is totally, completely, 100% unacceptable in any business. A fine would be more than suitable in this case.
On June 06 2011 13:18 bennyaus wrote: How does this affect PU's casting career? Get over it. He is an excellent caster. Sure this was not the best way to deal with NASL, but plenty of players have made mistakes like this in the past. Shit happens.
Sure, shit happens, but: 1. Somebody has to pick up the shit and someone has to pay for it. I'm sorry but the "get over it, shit happens" answer is as stupid as it gets. Say Painuser actually cares about this, he would show up. Qxc does it, Grubby does it and so do the rest of the players who by now know they have no chance of making the playoffs. It's completely hypocritical to say you want the growth of esports in North America yet you completely walk off on one of the attempts to make it big. Show up, do two cheesy plays that your opponents fend off, take you 20 minutes. People forget you as a player, you make your living as a decent caster, everyone is happy. But his way of handling things is not only completely childish but also pusillanimous. It isn't just a "shit happens" thing, is setting a Horrible example of esports in NA, it has to be dealt with swiftly and with, hopefully, truly terrible consequences for Painuser.
I hope NASL can make him truly regret doing this.
But Inc said it best: "You don't ditch the emperor."
Painuser showed poor sportsmanship and disrespect for the sport. It's pretty obvious from iNcontroL's (edited) rant that Painuser burned many bridges for this. It's time like this I wish we have a governing body in NA that can issue sanctions for shit like this.
Another thing that people aren't really mentioning, but Cloud did, is that PU got a spot in the NASL, where other equally if not better players didn't get that spot. By blowing NASL off AND refusing to play, he effectively screwed someone else in a 100k tourney.
He should at least have the decency to notify NASL, even if he was "busy" with his new spanking e-sports job (something that would EVEN exist, if it weren't for people like Boxer).
Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
Yes, what he did was unprofessional in the role as a player in the league but having it cost him his job with IGN is quite severe. Get real, people.The loss of his $250 deposit and the hit to his reputation is a fitting punishment. Maybe, He will work hard and find a way to make it up to the community.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
What? Painuser isn't even telling them that he's not participating anymore...this isn't some one-off where someone happens to miss a match.
This is a repeated history of failure to appear...
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
Yes, what he did was unprofessional in the role as a player in the league but having it cost him his job with IGN is quite severe. Get real, people.The loss of his $250 deposit and the hit to his reputation is a fitting punishment. Maybe, He will work hard and find a way to make it up to the community.
Though i do agree. I feel like the loss of his 250 and the public rep hit he's taking is generally punishment enough. It's going to be something that some people remember, and some people forget. I'm sure if he continues to work hard he can erase the damage he's done, and there are plenty of similar examples where people have come back from maphacking etc to become respected sc2 players.
But for the moment, his fans, and the fans of the game do (and should) feel betrayed.
It's not a lot of work to answer a phone and say you aren't coming back.
On June 06 2011 13:29 Marcus420 wrote: You're being irrational . PU is one of many casters for IPL
Should be easy to get rid of him then and maintain some integrity within the sc2 professional scene.
PU should be made an example of to discourage this kind of behaviour in the future, the sc2 community should be standing up and letting everyone know acting in this way is unacceptable and we won't tolerate it.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
You and like 2 others, glhf. What's with all these sub 100 post people acting all high and mighty. Just get over it. Lol at the idea of a boycott.
My biggest problem with this is that it disadvantages the players that had to play him - They won fairly, some might have dropped a map and lost a point (Socke and ClouD beat him 2-1). The others are getting a free 2 points, while PU might have taken a game or even a map vs one of those players that got walkovers.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
Incontrol actually addressed this in depth. His mentioned phone calls, emails, trying to get to him through other people, and other personal channels all as ways they had tried to contact him. Believe me, it's not NASL's fault whatsoever.
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
You and like 2 others, glhf. What's with all these sub 100 post people acting all high and mighty. Just get over it. Lol at the idea of a boycott.
Herp Derp I have more post lol I must be right... /facepalm Seriously word your argument better...
on a side note I agree the boycott won't do shit, though more people should boycott him they won't and it will fail....
Well taking a look at the standings/points... this is the situation now:
Boxer wins (2-0 or 2-1) and Sen wins (2-0 or 2-1) and they will both advance. Boxer loses (1-2 or 0-2) and Sen wins (2-0 or 2-1), Sen and Zenio will advance. Boxer wins (2-0 or 2-1) and Sen loses (1-2 or 0-2), Boxer and Zenio will advance. Boxer loses (0-2 or 1-2) and Sen loses (1-2 or 0-2), IdrA and Zenio will advance.
Basically, Boxer and Sen have everything in their hands right now. Whichever one of them wins will advance. If either of them loses, it opens up a spot for Zenio or IdrA (Zenio will take the first spot since he will finish ahead of IdrA regardless). Pretty crucial loss for Sen today.
Btw, about Painuser, him not showing up is only half the problem (IMO, you agree to a league like this and you're obligated to at least show up). What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw". Wouldn't be wasting everyones damn time and making the koreans get up at 3 am for no reason (which Zenio will also have to do next week if Painuser doesn't show up). It is just so ridiculously unprofessional.
Irony considering all the other players who have missed their matches (and some others who have missed multiple). Nobody is advocating what Painuser did, simply just saying to calm down. PU might've mentioned offhand that he wasn't playing anymore and maybe assumed that NASL would take that as every following game would be a walkover. We simply don't know all the details and frankly we're being a little unfair on PU atm.
I also agree with another poster saying that some of the fault has to come from NASL for picking PU in the first place, and then not talking to him about this issue before this week (I mean come on, Incontrol is in contact with him on a weekly basis at minimum, you'd have to know this was going to become an issue as of last week or the week before)
Painuser was an ok caster and i might of watched him before this but i am never going to watch anything he casts after this. Him giving up speaks volumes for his character and shows how little he cares for e-sports. It does not matter if he was going to retire, you still finish your obligations to your sport out of respect to the other players and most of all to your fans. And that it was boxer is just salt on the wound. A legend like that and you are going to stand him up, hope this guy fades out of the SC2 scene after this.
The worst bit of this is that he took a tournament spot that could have gone to a good player who would have tried and stuck out till the end. Really this just shows his true character, in my opinion.
I really can't stand it when people waste others' time. It's as simple as that.
Boxer, a player many feel honoured to play against, win or lose, got up early in the morning to play vs. PainUser. Personally, I'd drop everything to play against him. If I had to play Boxer at 3AM with an important exam at 9AM, I'd still play vs. him, and I would sit and be overjoyed as he destroyed me.
Hell, it would take some sort of medical/family emergency to stop me playing. And even then I'd try to get in touch and tell people what was going on, because I try to avoid wasting time for people.
If you make commitments, you should damn well keep to them or give people good reasons where you can.
This is ignoring that PainUser has done this before, which is equally bad. It's just not right.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
Its not impossible to notify ahead of time that you will be unable to play. Artosis has no-showed 2 weeks in a row but gave notice that his internet is not up so he would be unable to play his games. Simple notification is all it takes and its the difference between being professional and unproffessional. They will probably have to up the deposit to $500 just so there players actually follow thru on a commitment.
On June 06 2011 13:36 Thrax wrote: My biggest problem with this is that it disadvantages the players that had to play him - They won fairly, some might have dropped a map and lost a point (Socke and ClouD beat him 2-1). The others are getting a free 2 points, while PU might have taken a game or even a map vs one of those players that got walkovers.
It seems like NASL is doing something about that. If you look at Painusers profile on the NASL website, it just shows a Loss and 0-0 in all his matchups. Maybe they are awarding everyone a 2-0 win against him?
Obviously thats the fairest way to resolve this situation. Looks like Socke and ClouD (and whoever else... if anyone lost points again him) will get their 2 points they deserve.
Well I mean its kind of expected when you have a tournament that runs weekly but if your below a certain cut off line your basically eliminated. The reason why GSL can do it is because its literally the only tournament in korea, so your fighting to stay in it. Painuser has stated that hes sort of backing off the whole pro gaming thing, but still he couldn't play one bo3 against boxer?
Painuser is on that show with djwheat and incontrol and he can't even have the decency to let someone like incontrol know he quits? What's wrong with him
On June 06 2011 13:40 MrDudeMan wrote: Well I mean its kind of expected when you have a tournament that runs weekly but if your below a certain cut off line your basically eliminated. The reason why GSL can do it is because its literally the only tournament in korea, so your fighting to stay in it. Painuser has stated that hes sort of backing off the whole pro gaming thing, but still he couldn't play one bo3 against boxer?
Or just let everyone know that he wasn't interested in playing a bo3 against BoxeR...
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
You and like 2 others, glhf. What's with all these sub 100 post people acting all high and mighty. Just get over it. Lol at the idea of a boycott.
I'll only watch the IPL matches with IdrA...why laugh at the idea of viewing things you approve of and not giving ad revenue to show your distaste of a caster? I'm sure his twitter is already getting bombarded, and people probably will send messages to the IPL in regards to PU and his actions.
End story: Don't make boxer wake up at unreasonable hours to not play a game against you. That is the quickest way to get major hate from the Starcraft II community.
On June 06 2011 13:42 Pudge_172 wrote: I know on Inside the Game that PU said he was done as a player.
Shouldn't have been a surprise he was going to no-show unless this was supposed to be played BEFORE the last Inside the Game.
Okay, but just because you say it on a show doesn't make it formal. It makes it formal when you answer your phone and tell the LEAGUE you are participating in, "I'm done being a player, thanks for the opportunity but I have to much other shit going on in my life"...instead, he no shows SlayerS Boxer....a fucking legend.
On June 06 2011 13:19 hiphoppopotomus wrote: why is everyone freaking out so much about PU no-showing? Sure it's lame and everything but you're acting like he committed a crime when in fact he's just being relatively weird. I think this is around on par with idra telling everyone to fuck off and calling cruncher a waste of life. I don't know it just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
You and everyone defending PainUser... seriously I would stop that, because that speaks volumes about your character and the way you approach your profissional life.
I wonder if it has to do with the age of most people posting in this forum (teenagers, university students) and I understand that most of you have never had a job or something like that, but this kind of behavior is totally, completely, 100% unacceptable in any business. A fine would be more than suitable in this case.
1000% sign. To me PainUser is simply a dead piece of meat. I would rather watch some grannies chroching than Painuser casting or reading him...
On June 06 2011 13:41 Scrandom wrote: Painuser is on that show with djwheat and incontrol and he can't even have the decency to let someone like incontrol know he quits? What's wrong with him
Incontrol is on a show with Painuser and he doesn't even have half of a brain cell to ask casually whether Painuser is going to forfeit his 3rd game in a row?
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
What reasons do we have to doubt them? It's not like every other time they've claimed this the other player has come out and said "that's not true"
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
You and like 2 others, glhf. What's with all these sub 100 post people acting all high and mighty. Just get over it. Lol at the idea of a boycott.
Awesome, we need to be above 100 posts to act "all high and mighty. Do I think Painuser should have his casting career ruined over this? No, the guy apparently is talented, but he's a pretty big douchebag (you seem like one too) for doing this. Will I miss tournaments because he is commenting? No, but will I skip out on going to his youtube channel or the interviews he's posting from MLG at the moment, yes.
The guy just should have responded with an email saying "I can't play anymore", that's it, anything really. He instead decides to completely ignore NASL, irritates the fans and other professional gamers that have garnered far more respect within the community than he has. This has to be horrible for NASL because not only did they choose to let him have one of their very highly sought after spots for the season, but each week he misses they lose games they could have broadcast-ed to please fans (just to watch Boxer play) and for additional advertisement time. Not only does Boxer have to get up at some atrocious time in the morning, but the casters have to wait, the tech team, and then the fans get slapped in the face on game day.
The biggest problem is that it isn't difficult AT ALL for him to fix this problem, a text, an email or any multitude of ways to contact NASL and save us all some time. How lazy or stupid can you be?
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
What reasons do we have to doubt them? It's not like every other time they've claimed this the other player has come out and said "that's not true"
My reason is that I am in disbelief that so many players would be so rude. Maybe this is the world we live in though. I would never let a situation like this occur, personally, so I can really think it is as simple as being stated.
what really sucks, is Painuser played 5 of his 9 games... even going 4-5 (if he played those 4 he missed/ going to miss) he would of stayed in NASL for next season.
But he quit, and this effects the top 4 players A LOT, since he had to play vs them and gave them free points... something that effects who gets to be top 2 and who is in play offs.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
I doubt it. You really think they are stupid enough to lie about it? If they did, obviously the players would call them out on it. If painuser flat out told them he wasn't coming, do you think he's going to sit here and let NASL slander his name? You really think his friend (incontrol) would do that to him to begin with? Geoff seemed genuinely pissed off.
And yea it is believable that it happened with all the other players. It's not like they are trying to contact the player for days. I assume they have a scheduled time for the matches (which the player must know) and when someone doesn't show they try getting a hold of them at that time. But they probably give up after an hour or something like that. It is perfectly reasonable that a player is unreachable for an hour or two.
On June 06 2011 13:43 BackHo wrote: Meh, truth be told I understand players not respecting NASL - it's been a badly run tournament right from the beginning.
There have been some problems but I disagree on this. I think NASL has improved a lot and is bringing great games, casting, players to everyone on a daily basis and a very small price. As a player I have to say the organization has been extremely nice, only thing I didn't like was the very tight and rigid schedule but apart from this I have always been happy with the management of NASL and the way they always try to fix things in the best possible way.
On June 06 2011 13:43 BackHo wrote: Meh, truth be told I understand players not respecting NASL - it's been a badly run tournament right from the beginning.
Ignoring the fact that disrespecting the tournament by no-showing probably isn't the best way of voicing your opinions about how said tournament is run...
it's not just NASL they're disrespecting, they're disrespecting their opponents, and that's actually worse IMO.
If PainUser has beef with NASL, I'm not going to hold it against him (although I have no reason to believe he does), but I do have a problem with fucking other players about.
EDIT: The above said, I do disagree with you, and agree with Cloud above. The guy knows his shit.
On June 06 2011 13:42 don_kyuhote wrote: Does anyone have a link to Painuser's NASL application video? Boy I sure wanna go back and listen to what he said.
NASL should have just forfeited him out of the league last week. If someone doesn't show up for their match, and doesn't explain themselves later, kick them out. It's stupid to make his opponents stand by for 2-4 hours to get the win.
On June 06 2011 13:18 Sami` wrote: I'm boycotting anything Painuser is involved in, you don't fuck with the emperor and get away with it.
People shouldn't boycott the IPL2 because of a jerk caster.
Im boycotting IPL2 if they dont remove PU as a caster, infact i think a petition is in order to get him to resign. there are plenty of casters who are more dedicated and accountable then PU and deserve to get a shot over him at IPL2.
He didnt just fuck with boxer, he fucked with the integrity of the NASL and messed with the viewers times. That is just not cool.
You and like 2 others, glhf. What's with all these sub 100 post people acting all high and mighty. Just get over it. Lol at the idea of a boycott.
I'll only watch the IPL matches with IdrA...why laugh at the idea of viewing things you approve of and not giving ad revenue to show your distaste of a caster? I'm sure his twitter is already getting bombarded, and people probably will send messages to the IPL in regards to PU and his actions.
End story: Don't make boxer wake up at unreasonable hours to not play a game against you. That is the quickest way to get major hate from the Starcraft II community.
But blaming IPl for pu's actions, is just silly. IPL is a great league . Let them take care of him, and I'll keep watching for the amazing games and such.
On June 06 2011 13:41 Scrandom wrote: Painuser is on that show with djwheat and incontrol and he can't even have the decency to let someone like incontrol know he quits? What's wrong with him
Incontrol is on a show with Painuser and he doesn't even have half of a brain cell to ask casually whether Painuser is going to forfeit his 3rd game in a row?
Each story has two sides.
Its not up to Incontrol to do that, PU signed up to be in the league and is expected to be there unless he says otherwise. The fault is 100% on PU
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
On June 06 2011 13:43 BackHo wrote: Meh, truth be told I understand players not respecting NASL - it's been a badly run tournament right from the beginning.
There have been some problems but I disagree on this. I think NASL has improved a lot and is bringing great games, casting, players to everyone on a daily basis and a very small price. As a player I have to say the organization has been extremely nice, only thing I didn't like was the very tight and rigid schedule but apart from this I have always been happy with the management of NASL and the way they always try to fix things in the best possible way.
I loved your interview with iNcontroL today. Great games against Sen!
Some people are putting more blame on NASL? Thats fine for now, technically this is NASL's league and they are ultimately responsible for putting on a show. Ofcourse, I do disagree and I think the majority of fault should be on Painuser.
Whether you blame NASL or PU, the damage on PU's image has been done. I'd be shocked if the IGN approves of this behavior as well which could potentially hurt his new career.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
WTF they did everything they could to contact him. Read before posting
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
NASL should also update their schedules if they know theres a walkover. This was filmed days ago but we didnt know boxer didnt play until after we had watched the rest of the games. I was just waiting for boxer
I used to be a fan of Painuser after seeing HD videos with him in it and watching his casting. His safe way of playing Terran always intrigued me and I was happy with seeing him get 3rd at MLG Dallas 2010. If you ever saw some of the games he played on Desert Oasis, he was pretty fun to watch. I actually felt bad for him that he hadn't won a game in the NASL.
But now I would have to say he has lost a fan. I for one do not respect quitters. Him not giving warning to Boxer to me isn't terribly bad mannered (not as bad as MC being an absolute dick to Idra after the match) but it shows bad on his character not informing the league that he was done. We shall see if these acts make him lose all of his fans
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
No, they shouldn't... The player signed up to be in the league and is expected to show up unless other wise stated! End of story, does your boss call you every night before work to make sure you're going to show up the next day? No he doesn't because its your damn responsibility to show up or let your boss no you won't be able to show up!
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No. PainUser all the way. His statement only implies there is conflict. It in no way implies that he's decided to give up or not resolve it.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
What reasons do we have to doubt them? It's not like every other time they've claimed this the other player has come out and said "that's not true"
Exactly. If NASL lied the players would call them out on it. And it's not like anyone is claiming other players have been screwing around. Sure others have had WOs, but no one has done it 3 weeks in a row. And they have legit reasons (or so I'm assuming, because NASL hasn't exactly said anything contrary to that).
Also, thesundowners... are you from niagara or frequent the area on a regular basis?
Lol at all of the "there's another side to the story." No, sorry there's not. All other scenarios it was clear the player just scheduled badly/conflicting events/or something SOMEWHAT reasonable. This case (including last week as well if I recall correctly) it's just clear disrespect to NASL and the player(s).
What I have a huge problem here with, outside of the fact he was a complete flake who disappeared, is hes ruining the spirit of the competition within the league. That entire division he played in is now skewed with results that could have looked differently if the matches were played. In a league where rankings are ultimately determined by +\- wins, PainUser is disrespecting his fellow competitors by not giving 100% and creating a fair division where each match is taken seriously. If someone were to lose a spot in the playoffs because a player gets a 2-0 walkover in week 9, then I would be incredibly pissed at PU.
His actions do not only affect him, but everyone within his division. Thats why this is a big deal, and thats why he should be receiving this amount of negativity. Its terrible for NASL to lose out on final week matches that determine playoff spots, when the league is suppose to be at its most competitive state.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
I feel as if everyone is just trusting one parties word here. I know that if I told a responsible employee/figurehead of a company that I was not turning up tomorrow or again that I would assume he would not wait for me to confirm it on the day.
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
If he thought he made it clear, after the first week or two or them trying to get a hold of him during match time you'd think he speak up and make it really clear? I do not understand why you try and defend him on this? if NASL was to take any blame in this its easily under 10% and thats being generous....
On June 06 2011 13:57 Kamuy wrote: By the way has anyone asked the question, "If PU was 5-2 in the league, would he still pull this disappearing stunt?"
I think everyone realizes he obviously would show up if that were the case...
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
If he thought he made it clear, after the first week or two or them trying to get a hold of him during match time you'd think he speak up and make it really clear? I do not understand why you try and defend him on this? if NASL was to take any blame in this its easily under 10% and thats being generous....
I just think that NASL is at fault too, and I don't like the idea that some group of nerds is going to go and try and wreck Painuser's career over what could've just been a miscommunication (we don't have enough evidence to suggest otherwise).
Don't get me wrong, I'm highly disappointed in his behaviour Things aren't as simple as other forum posters lead you to believe though. Most people are, in general, not as thoughtless as to just stop showing up to something they've committed to.
For all we know, PU could've been travelling to Columbus when they tried to contact him and was on a plane or had his phone/email switched off for a day. Remember this was recorded a few days ago.
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
If he thought he made it clear, after the first week or two or them trying to get a hold of him during match time you'd think he speak up and make it really clear? I do not understand why you try and defend him on this? if NASL was to take any blame in this its easily under 10% and thats being generous....
iirc, what he said was that he'd be stepping back from competitive gaming, not, "GEOFF, i will be removing myself from NASL."
so i agree, unless he makes it explicitly clear, NASL shouldn't just drop him. What if he said he was scaling back, NASL dropped him, but NASL was the only tournament he was going to keep playing? We'd all be up in arms about NASL just throwing players out of the league.
As it is, i feel like you need to be extremely specific, and until you are, it should be assumed that you will at least ATTEMPT to make your match. Not flake out and bail.
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
If he thought he made it clear, after the first week or two or them trying to get a hold of him during match time you'd think he speak up and make it really clear? I do not understand why you try and defend him on this? if NASL was to take any blame in this its easily under 10% and thats being generous....
I just think that NASL is at fault too, and I don't like the idea that some group of nerds is going to go and try and wreck Painuser's career over what could've just been a miscommunication (we don't have enough evidence to suggest otherwise).
I feel like that's the issue. We don't have his story. He's busy not even bothering to tell everyone it. If he hadn't fallen off the face of the earth and just started shunning the NASL, there's no reason to think that he'd let geoff call him out like that on NASL.
he's basically given up caring about the league, and SHOULD suffer the consequences of it.
As for lacking evidence, NASL has made it abundantly clear that they go to extreme measures to try to contact players. No other player has been like, "NASL forgot to remind me that i had a game..."
I think the league's been handling this in an extremely professional fashion.
On June 06 2011 13:57 Kamuy wrote: By the way has anyone asked the question, "If PU was 5-2 in the league, would he still pull this disappearing stunt?"
I think everyone realizes he obviously would show up if that were the case...
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
On June 06 2011 13:52 bennyaus wrote: This was posted in another thread.
Oh about NASL, on djwheat's show taylor said he now has a fulltime job with IGN and that NASL won't let him reschedule his matches to be outside of work hours.
Miscommunication and fault on both parties?
No, it's not NASL job to go through threads or listen to every broadcast for SC2. They`re all obviously busy themselves and all Painuser had to do was email them with the same information. Is that really difficult? Pick up the phone or send a text?
The same broadcast that a NASL employee is on? Maybe PU though he made it clear?
If he thought he made it clear, after the first week or two or them trying to get a hold of him during match time you'd think he speak up and make it really clear? I do not understand why you try and defend him on this? if NASL was to take any blame in this its easily under 10% and thats being generous....
I just think that NASL is at fault too, and I don't like the idea that some group of nerds is going to go and try and wreck Painuser's career over what could've just been a miscommunication (we don't have enough evidence to suggest otherwise).
I disagree, we have plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise, a simply miscommunication would have been easily resolved after the first week, maybe the second week.... but this is now the third week with no response from PU. As I said before I don't see how this is NASL's fault at all. to quote myself in an earleir post "Does your boss call you every night to see if you are going to show up the next day? No he doesn't cuz its your damn responsibility to show up or call in and say you won't be showing up,,,"
I do agree that his career shouldn't be ruined, but something should be done about his terribly unprofessional actions...
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
In your analogy, we (the audience) are the people buying burgers. the NASL is the company, and painuser is the guy who specifically forgot to buy the burgers, after getting called by the owner of the store a dozen times reminding him to do it.
In your analogy, PU would be fired.
Which is apparently what happened, since they set his standings to 0-7 and wiped him of all his wins
Edit:
I also like this guy's response to the situation better:
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Well, the NASL has been asking about their fucking PainBurger for weeks now and no one is returning their calls.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Thats a terrible analogy for your point... and the burger company does lose a lot its called PR and they are known for not being able to get their shit done, no ones going to buy from them... your analogy is full of fail. its the burger companies fault 100%(And you admit that) so I don't really see how you're trying to argue against the other analogy?
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
American's are too decent. They waited as long as they did, hoping he would try to redeem himself. No such luck.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
Because they can't just assume he is not going to show? They won't to show as many matches as they can and they do want him to play his games so just assuming he is not going to show is good for no one really...
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Well, the NASL has been asking about their fucking PainBurger for weeks now and no one is returning their calls.
I think that if it was just one week, then it's acceptable to somewhat blame NASL for not reminding players of upcoming matches, if they don't already do that. Especially since it's easy for mistakes to happen and people to forget their schedules when you have 25 games a week going on.
However, once it hits three weeks in a row and there is no confirmation from the other side, it's not a matter of not being responsible in reminding the players, it is complete negligence on the player's part. Of course, given how real life works and especially how the internet works, I feel like the actual situation is not completely the way Incontrol is saying that it is, and that there is at least something that redeems Painuser to some extent.
So until Painuser says something on his behalf, or this goes on for so long that it's obvious that he is trying to avoid public scrutiny, it's not possible to know for sure who to blame. If Incontrol is completely correct and unbiased in his remarks, then yes, Painuser is completely to blame. But the way real life is, you just don't know for sure.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
Because they can't just assume he is not going to show? They won't to show as many matches as they can and they do want him to play his games so just assuming he is not going to show is good for no one really...
That's just my point. Why even assume anything? Ask him and make sure. If he doesn't respond, you'll have your answer just as well.
If the story turns out to be how it looks right now, as in if there won't be any "excusing" circumstances for PU that the public would accept as an explanation of his unprofessional behavior, IPL should and probably would not employ him. I can't see a respectable organization hiring a douchebag (again, barring the possibility of some sort of mitigating facts that we don't know about).
A good percentage of SC2 community will see PU's behavior as repulsive enough for IPL to understand they should not be dealing with him.
On June 06 2011 14:07 reneg wrote: In your analogy, we (the audience) are the people buying burgers. the NASL is the company, and painuser is the guy who specifically forgot to buy the burgers, after getting called by the owner of the store a dozen times reminding him to do it.
In your analogy, PU would be fired.
Which is apparently what happened, since they set his standings to 0-7 and wiped him of all his wins
Nah, they didn't need to change his standings at all. He got his 0-7 naturally.
On June 06 2011 14:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Thats a terrible analogy for your point... and the burger company does lose a lot its called PR and they are known for not being able to get their shit done, no ones going to buy from them... your analogy is full of fail. its the burger companies fault 100%(And you admit that) so I don't really see how you're trying to argue against the other analogy?
The point of the analogy is not to prove that it is NASL's (i.e barbecue hosts) fault that painuser (i.e the burger company) did not play the game (i.e provide the burgers) but rather that at the end of the day it is their tournament (i.e barbecue) that suffers. And that this situation could have been avoided had they checked on him 2-3 days earlier (something that should have come to mind seeing as how there have been a ton of walkovers).
Obviously they haven't been trying to contact him for weeks, Geoff has been on skype with PU for DJwheat's show just last week and didn't ask him about it? People acting like the information is concrete. This is how I see it...
-Painuser says on show that he can't reschedule his games because of work and he is stepping back from gaming. Assumes that this will be taken as a fact that he can't do any more NASL. Bad assumption, but anyway.... -NASL only try to contact the player on the day of the game, when it is likely that Painuser is travelling to Columbus and on a plane or out of contact. I mean seriously, who doesn't answer their phone/email on purpose....?
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
Because they can't just assume he is not going to show? They won't to show as many matches as they can and they do want him to play his games so just assuming he is not going to show is good for no one really...
That's just my point. Why even assume anything? Ask him and make sure. If he doesn't respond, you'll have your answer just as well.
They have to assume he is going to show, thats why he joined the league to show up and play! They have the matches scheduled and it screws with everything if they just say fuck it after and cancel all his matches without getting confirmation.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Your buger shop would be sued to no end dude. To no end...
Well, I don't know how things are over there in Canada, maybe these kind of fuckups are okay. But in Brazil/Korea, you'd better be ready to lose money/credibility
On June 06 2011 14:17 bennyaus wrote: Obviously they haven't been trying to contact him for weeks, Geoff has been on skype with PU for DJwheat's show just last week and didn't ask him about it? People acting like the information is concrete. This is how I see it...
-Painuser says on show that he can't reschedule his games because of work and he is stepping back from gaming. Assumes that this will be taken as a fact that he can't do any more NASL. Bad assumption, but anyway.... -NASL only try to contact the player on the day of the game, when it is likely that Painuser is travelling to Columbus and on a plane or out of contact. I mean seriously, who doesn't answer their phone/email on purpose....?
The traveling excuse works for this week... what about the week before? and the week before that? And Geoff didn't ask because its ASSUMED that when you sign up for something(That is essentially your job) that you will show up!
On June 06 2011 14:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Thats a terrible analogy for your point... and the burger company does lose a lot its called PR and they are known for not being able to get their shit done, no ones going to buy from them... your analogy is full of fail. its the burger companies fault 100%(And you admit that) so I don't really see how you're trying to argue against the other analogy?
The point of the analogy is not to prove that it is NASL's (i.e barbecue hosts) fault that painuser (i.e the burger company) did not play the game (i.e provide the burgers) but rather that at the end of the day it is their tournament (i.e barbecue) that suffers. And that this situation could have been avoided had they checked on him 2-3 days earlier (something that should have come to mind seeing as how there have been a ton of walkovers).
Your burger company would be sued/lose all customers....... your analogy is still useless and only proves my point more...
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Your buger shop would be sued to no end dude. To no end...
Well, I don't know how things are over there in Canada, maybe these kind of fuckups are okay. But in Brazil/Korea, you'd better be ready to lose money/credibility
Exactly.
But in this terrible analogy, NASL is down at the burger shop, banging on the freaking door, and the burger owner has locked up, turned the lights off, and is hiding behind the counter because he couldn't be bothered explaining the fuckup.
The travelling excuse does not work for this week either. These games were played on like wed or tuesday. incontrol/gretorp/idra/drewbie/tyler were all at MLG and managed to show up for the cast/their games.
And to those of you saying NASL could have assumed he wasn't coming, what the hell are you smoking? They can't assume anything. They tried contacting him, he didn't respond. They can't just then assume he's not coming. If they do that and he shows up, guess who is pissed off? And guess who the public is going to blame?
And MrDudeMan, your analogy fails for so many reasons. The most obvious of which is the fact that NASL did call the burger shop many times and the burger shop didn't pick up the phone.
On June 06 2011 14:17 bennyaus wrote: Obviously they haven't been trying to contact him for weeks, Geoff has been on skype with PU for DJwheat's show just last week and didn't ask him about it? People acting like the information is concrete. This is how I see it...
-Painuser says on show that he can't reschedule his games because of work and he is stepping back from gaming. Assumes that this will be taken as a fact that he can't do any more NASL. Bad assumption, but anyway.... -NASL only try to contact the player on the day of the game, when it is likely that Painuser is travelling to Columbus and on a plane or out of contact. I mean seriously, who doesn't answer their phone/email on purpose....?
The traveling excuse works for this week... what about the week before? and the week before that? And Geoff didn't ask because its ASSUMED that when you sign up for something(That is essentially your job) that you will show up!
Yeah but people are like "he isn't responding to NASL's calls and emails for weeks". Um, ok but an employee of NASL had him on Skype last week. Clearly they do this on a week by week basis, and only trying to contact or email during the time they're trying to organise the game.... In which case, you can't say he was exactly ignoring them if he was travelling...
Personally I would just like clarification from both parties so we can all stop talking.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
Because if painuser shows up... how pissed off is he going to be? If they cancel his match ahead of time and he actually was going to show up and play... how pissed off is he going to be?
And if any of those happens, who do you think this thread would be flaming right now? They can't just make an assumption like that...
Going back to MrDudeMan's analogy... that would be like the bbq host cancelling the bbq and not going to pick up the burgers because the burger shop didn't answer the phone... and the burger shop is going to be sitting there with a ton of burgers demanding satisfaction.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Well, the NASL has been asking about their fucking PainBurger for weeks now and no one is returning their calls.
omg.. I lol'd
also I hate this analogy cuz now I'm freakin hungry
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
"Weeks of no contact" is an exaggeration. NASL employees have spoken to PU within the last 2 weeks, as I already explained. It is most likely that NASL only ever tries to contact people on the day of their game if they fail to show up. In which case they just assume that PU was going to show up despite the fact that he publicly announced that he can't reschedule his NASL games due to work, and he is stepping back from gaming.
On June 06 2011 13:31 ven wrote: Not to take the blame away from PainUser but I think the NASL could have done a better job of getting ahead of problems like this. Sure, PainUser could have given notice of not participating in it anymore but it's not that hard getting confirmation from the players either. Does NASL not communicate with the players other than when the matches are happening?
They tried to get ahold of him, as Incontrol said in his speech, by phone/e-mail and even calling up people close to him to try and hunt him down. The blame is 100% on painuser
Ya, I know and of course it's entirely PainUser's fault, I'm not saying anything different but why didn't they address it sooner if he hasn't even been responding for weeks. Just award the W/O beforehand and don't keep everyone waiting. The organizers should be on top of this kind of things.
Because they can't just assume he is not going to show? They won't to show as many matches as they can and they do want him to play his games so just assuming he is not going to show is good for no one really...
That's just my point. Why even assume anything? Ask him and make sure. If he doesn't respond, you'll have your answer just as well.
They have to assume he is going to show, thats why he joined the league to show up and play! They have the matches scheduled and it screws with everything if they just say fuck it after and cancel all his matches without getting confirmation.
They don't have to assume anything. In fact, in PainUser's case they should have assumed the exact opposite. There's no reason not to require confirmation for the individual match dates. Conditions change. Don't rely on the players to keep your schedule.
I can understand Painuser's mentality of -- "I already lost, why try to win a losing battle?" in regard to his record, but for some reason it doesn't seem appropriate in this community. I have heard and felt the same mentality before in jobs and various tournaments.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
"Weeks of no contact" is an exaggeration. NASL employees have spoken to PU within the last 2 weeks, as I already explained. It is most likely that NASL only ever tries to contact people on the day of their game if they fail to show up. In which case they just assume that PU was going to show up despite the fact that he publicly announced that he can't reschedule his NASL games due to work, and he is stepping back from gaming.
Which is where the "middle school break up" analogy comes from. He drops hints to other kids at school about how he's focusing on something new, but he never rings up NASL and says it's over. Which is why he's getting all the hate.
I honestly don't know how you can defend his situation. He's shit all over the opportunity NASL gave him, and not had the decency to contact them. The fact that Geoff has a skype call with him on another show is totally irrelevant - Geoff isn't representing NASL on Inside the Game, and made no comment when PU started complaining about NASL not changing their schedule to accommodate him after he signed up to something new which conflicted with his prior NASL agreement.
Geoff isn't obligated to seek him out outside of work hours to tell him to get his shit together, in fact it would be unprofessional of him to do so. The blame is 100% with PainBurger.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
"Weeks of no contact" is an exaggeration. NASL employees have spoken to PU within the last 2 weeks, as I already explained. It is most likely that NASL only ever tries to contact people on the day of their game if they fail to show up. In which case they just assume that PU was going to show up despite the fact that he publicly announced that he can't reschedule his NASL games due to work, and he is stepping back from gaming.
Which is where the "middle school break up" analogy comes from. He drops hints to other kids at school about how he's focusing on something new, but he never rings up NASL and says it's over. Which is why he's getting all the hate.
I honestly don't know how you can defend his situation. He's shit all over the opportunity NASL gave him, and not had the decency to contact them. The fact that Geoff has a skype call with him on another show is totally irrelevant - Geoff isn't representing NASL on Inside the Game, and made no comment when PU started complaining about NASL not changing their schedule to accommodate him after he signed up to something new which conflicted with his prior NASL agreement.
Geoff isn't obligated to seek him out outside of work hours to tell him to get his shit together, in fact it would be unprofessional of him to do so. The blame is 100% with PainBurger.
Oh god, I was reading your comment seriously then read the last sentence and burst out laughing.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
"Weeks of no contact" is an exaggeration. NASL employees have spoken to PU within the last 2 weeks, as I already explained. It is most likely that NASL only ever tries to contact people on the day of their game if they fail to show up. In which case they just assume that PU was going to show up despite the fact that he publicly announced that he can't reschedule his NASL games due to work, and he is stepping back from gaming.
Dude, that thing you did right there... is your assumption. We can't work with assumptions, and we don't have information from both of the parties, so we work with the next best thing, information from one of the parties.
Information we got: NASL has been trying to contact PU for weeks, with no success. Partial conclusion: 100% Painuser's fault.
I will reserve my final conclusion until I hear from PU himself, but things aren't looking so bright.
And one more thing, you can't do that thing you just said, you just can't. I can't tell my employer "hey, I quit my job. Didn't you see me on the News yesterday? I told everyone so." That's fucking ridiculous. I MUST send a formal letter directly to them.
God the amount of ignorance here is mind-blowing. Seriously do you people have a job? Can you pull these no-show moves in your job? Tell me I will frickin' throw away my IT job for that.
On June 06 2011 14:41 Batssa wrote: I can understand Painuser's mentality of -- "I already lost, why try to win a losing battle?" in regard to his record, but for some reason it doesn't seem appropriate in this community. I have heard and felt the same mentality before in jobs and various tournaments.
You're missing the point. PainBurger is 0-7. No one is complaining because he gave up on the tournament (although some question why you would ever pass up an opportunity to play the Emperor, regardless of any other factors).
People are angry because he didn't contact them to say as much, thus wasting the time of the entire NASL staff and ruining Boxer's night's sleep.
On June 06 2011 14:21 statik wrote: so nasl said they have been trying to contact pu for weeks? don't get why they'd still wake up boxer at 3 am.
because if they didn't wake him up, and PU DID happen to not flake out, then they'd have to explain to boxer why they gave PU a walkover on him, because they "couldn't be bothered to wake him up."
Which would be about 10,000 times worse for the community.
i'd doubt that after weeks of no contact or replies to emails/calls that they'd give pu a walkover over boxer.
"Weeks of no contact" is an exaggeration. NASL employees have spoken to PU within the last 2 weeks, as I already explained. It is most likely that NASL only ever tries to contact people on the day of their game if they fail to show up. In which case they just assume that PU was going to show up despite the fact that he publicly announced that he can't reschedule his NASL games due to work, and he is stepping back from gaming.
Which is where the "middle school break up" analogy comes from. He drops hints to other kids at school about how he's focusing on something new, but he never rings up NASL and says it's over. Which is why he's getting all the hate.
I honestly don't know how you can defend his situation. He's shit all over the opportunity NASL gave him, and not had the decency to contact them. The fact that Geoff has a skype call with him on another show is totally irrelevant - Geoff isn't representing NASL on Inside the Game, and made no comment when PU started complaining about NASL not changing their schedule to accommodate him after he signed up to something new which conflicted with his prior NASL agreement.
Geoff isn't obligated to seek him out outside of work hours to tell him to get his shit together, in fact it would be unprofessional of him to do so. The blame is 100% with PainBurger.
I agree about the last sentence, and I'm disappointed as the next person, but to say NASL has been going out of there way to find out what is going on with Painuser is simply not the case.
On June 06 2011 13:43 BackHo wrote: Meh, truth be told I understand players not respecting NASL - it's been a badly run tournament right from the beginning.
Ignoring the fact that disrespecting the tournament by no-showing probably isn't the best way of voicing your opinions about how said tournament is run...
it's not just NASL they're disrespecting, they're disrespecting their opponents, and that's actually worse IMO.
If PainUser has beef with NASL, I'm not going to hold it against him (although I have no reason to believe he does), but I do have a problem with fucking other players about.
EDIT: The above said, I do disagree with you, and agree with Cloud above. The guy knows his shit.
What about the fact that we were predicting today's game was going to be a walkover, I mean, us fans don't even get excited over the fact that Boxer MAY play anymore, because we're so used to InControl not following through with his promises:
On June 02 2011 15:08 bwin wrote: I mean, if your entire business is structured around the internet, it is your responsibility to make sure the internet is stable. I understand shit happens but to say that nothing could have been done to prevent this just sounds like you're trying to pass off blame.
You are right. We literally could have an internet crew out every single day checking the infrastructure over and over again. But what if it happened anyways? Was it our fault for not hiring a better crew? But what if it happened to the best crew money could buy? Were we supposed to have it hard wired to the actual TV/Monitor of each viewer?
At some point we say "sorry" and "we want to make sure it doesn't happen again" but that also doesn't mean you get to claim that we shoulda hired God to make sure there was no way it could happen.
Really Inc? THIS is what you respond to? Alot of people has asked valid questions and the one you actually adress is this. Is it just so you can use your extreme wit and skill with sarcasm or what, it just seems silly. Its not like anyone actually think its NASLs fault if the ISP goes down, or atleast noone with a brain.
What about the question to why you do not announce W/O precast instead of pregame, would be appreciated. Or does an answer to this grant to few opportunities to sarcasm?
W/o should have been announced. We discussed it and it was supposed yo happen no idea why it didnt
What a load of bullshit, he said they'd be announcing them at the beginning yet they just hope we forget about it. I for one regret spending 'a small price' (which isn't small at all compared to say GSL) on this tournament and will definitely not be buying next season, if there is another season. The fact that MGL took so many viewers just goes to show that when there is competition in the market the shittier product will suffer the consequences.
Painuser clearly doesn't care about his playing career, so he basically torched any chance of getting invited into any future league. Let him try to become one of the better casters. Honestly, we do need them if we expect this sport to grow. A lot of people have made mistakes and come back stronger afterwards.
Anybody that plans on boycotting IPL2 because of this needs to realize that we need to support IGN's tournament, regardless of the casters. If you want E-sports to grow and suceed, you need to keep moving forward.
On June 06 2011 14:53 Akio00 wrote: Painuser clearly doesn't care about his playing career, so he basically torched any chance of getting invited into any future league. Let him try to become one of the better casters. Honestly, we do need them if we expect this sport to grow. A lot of people have made mistakes and come back stronger afterwards.
Anybody that plans on boycotting IPL2 because of this needs to realize that we need to support IGN's tournament, regardless of the casters. If you want E-sports to grow and suceed, you need to keep moving forward.
Good attitude. We need more quality analyst/ex-player casters. Too many random play-by-play casters who just jump on the SC2 bandwagon without really understanding the game.
On June 06 2011 13:12 MYM.ClouD wrote: So many great players were disappointed for not being invited, this is a real let down :\ There's no shame in losing any match in group 5 anyway
So what if you go 0-9? Have the dignity to at least represent yourself on a consistent basis. Hell, people don't talk about qxc's 0-whatever at IEM anymore. Damn, poor Boxer.
On June 06 2011 14:57 TooN wrote: This whole NASL thing is not shaping well. So many walkovers.
I disagree. The walkovers that we're having aren't affecting the top 10 spots. Anyone with a chance at going through is all over it.
In fact the finals part of NASL is going to be ridiculously stacked. Just look at these players (people with <= 2 losses taken from the standings page, so as at the start of this week, may have changed a little this week but it demonstrates my point)
SeleCT Sen July Ret Squirtle Boxer Morrow Strelok KiWiKaKi Fenix Moon Zenio ACE IdrA NaDa Sheth SjoW White-Ra
Who is the weakest link? Moon? Who else? This is going to be an epic finale. I think when it's played out, the early missteps and the walkovers will be long forgotten.
walkouts can have some effect on the tournament result. We'll probably see this in effect next week, where zenio will get the 2-0 win over PB and that means that Sen has to lose in order for idra to advance.
First off, get in contact with him, he better have a good reason OR ; Give him a permenant warning or a ban from the next NASL.
People need to realize:
PAINburger TOOK SOMEONE ELSES SPOT. If it had not been PainUser there, someone else would have had the chance to compete and win 50 000$. To be given this chance and then to shit on the competition and your co-competitors is inexuisable if you don't warn anyone in advance, that's just bullshit attitude and had I been Geoff I'd had a godamn rant about how this is just pure shit from PainUser and an insult not only to the tournament but everyone in it and most of all everyone who didn't get a chance to be in it.
On June 06 2011 14:57 TooN wrote: This whole NASL thing is not shaping well. So many walkovers.
I disagree. The walkovers that we're having aren't affecting the top 10 spots. Anyone with a chance at going through is all over it.
In fact the finals part of NASL is going to be ridiculously stacked. Just look at these players (people with <= 2 losses taken from the standings page, so as at the start of this week, may have changed a little this week but it demonstrates my point)
SeleCT Sen July Ret Squirtle Boxer Morrow Strelok KiWiKaKi Fenix Moon Zenio ACE IdrA NaDa Sheth SjoW White-Ra
Who is the weakest link? Moon? Who else? This is going to be an epic finale. I think when it's played out, the early missteps and the walkovers will be long forgotten.
I think the LAN tournament is going to really great, but I think they should look at a way of adjusting the format so that there are less walkovers, and they have more excitement and momentum going into the finals. I don't know the best way to that, but there has to be a way.
On June 06 2011 15:28 Talack wrote: NASL format is not working all too well
Well, as far as i see it the NASL format is working. It's the attitude of a small set of people which leads to these bad situations. Now NASL will have to take a less idealistic view on their players and might have to think about possibilities about punishing bad behavior or making a difference in a 8th and 9th spot. Players like qxc who keep fighting show real spirit.
I knew Boxer would do well in this group, but I wasn't thinking he would be in the first place spot! That is amazing! The offline part of the tournament is going to be HUGE if he participates!
The people trying to defend PainUser are being ridiculous.
When he accepted his invite into the league, he committed to showing up for every match, every week. If there was going to be any problems for a given week, it is his responsibility to notify them (I'm sure all players were given very specific instructions on how to do this given every other player has done so).
The notion that players are not given notice is absurd. They have already stated that they send everyone an email every week reminding them of their schedule. Beyond that, they do everything to get a hold of you on the day of your game if you have somehow forgotten.
Geoff somehow taking any of the blame because he is on a show with PU is silly. Do you really think it is Geoff's responsibility to get the scoop on every player every week? The guy is the caster...clearly that logistical stuff is someone else's responsibility. He's probably not even privy to the vast majority of the behind the scenes stuff going on unless it becomes his job to inform people on the stream.
Three weeks. There is no excuse that would be good enough. There is no need to hear PU's side of the story other than curiosity. He made a commitment to the league, the fans and the other players from the start to see the tournament through and he didn't fulfill that. If that wasn't bad enough, he didn't even show them the slightest bit of respect in informing them of his choice.
Those trying to defend PU or spread the blame must have some seriously questionable ethics/morals going on.
NASL really needs to think of some form of punishment for failure to show without giving notice. There were way too many walkovers throughout season 1 and unfortunately a lot of the matches we never got to see were some of the ones I was looking forward to the most.
NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.
Having a full round robin in the cast of MLG is very important because every game matters even if you lose the first 3 of 5 matches because someone might go 0-5 or 1-4 and then you find yourself ahead of them.
Hopefully we get some revamp of their setup. I am also finding myself less and less interested in the weeks now that I know certain players have no chance. For this I just watched the IdrA and Zenio matches because of this.
When there is so much content going on having matches that actually matter is important otherwise people might as well just watch some livestream for $0
PainUser took someone elses spot (read: insert any high level euro/korean here), then no-showed.
As far as I'm concerned, if he got hit by a truck tomorrow I won't care nor shed a tear and neither should you. PainUser has just demonstrated how worthless he is.
On June 06 2011 15:56 starcraft911 wrote: NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.
I disagree, Every other sport is like that. If players/teams stop playing in the regular season of NBA/NHL right at the point where they realize they have no chance of advancing into the playoff, the whole league will fall apart. But this doesn't happen simply because the players and the teams have sportsmanship, care about their reputation, as well as following through with their contracts.
On June 06 2011 14:57 TooN wrote: This whole NASL thing is not shaping well. So many walkovers.
I disagree. The walkovers that we're having aren't affecting the top 10 spots. Anyone with a chance at going through is all over it.
In fact the finals part of NASL is going to be ridiculously stacked. Just look at these players (people with <= 2 losses taken from the standings page, so as at the start of this week, may have changed a little this week but it demonstrates my point)
SeleCT Sen July Ret Squirtle Boxer Morrow Strelok KiWiKaKi Fenix Moon Zenio ACE IdrA NaDa Sheth SjoW White-Ra
Who is the weakest link? Moon? Who else? This is going to be an epic finale. I think when it's played out, the early missteps and the walkovers will be long forgotten.
Painuser is giving free wins to Boxer and Zenio these last 2 weeks, who are fighting with Idra and Sen for top 2 spots.
On June 06 2011 15:56 starcraft911 wrote: NASL's system is also inherently flawed in that if you know you have NO chance in qualifying (such as in the case of painuser) for the finals there is no reason to play unless you're just trying to knock a specific player further down to help someone else.
I disagree, Every other sport is like that. If players/teams stop playing in the regular season of NBA/NHL right at the point where they realize they have no chance of advancing into the playoff, the whole league will fall apart. But this doesn't happen simply because the players and the teams have sportsmanship, care about their reputation, as well as following through with their contracts.
The key difference is that NBA/NHL players get paid, even if they lose, by their teams for participating.
Now we know one of the reasons why the NASL demands players be part of teams to participate ... there needs to be something holding them accountable other than the NASL.
On June 06 2011 16:06 LwReisen wrote: PainUser took someone elses spot (read: insert any high level euro/korean here), then no-showed.
As far as I'm concerned, if he got hit by a truck tomorrow I won't care nor shed a tear and neither should you. PainUser has just demonstrated how worthless he is.
Whoa...
I like how TLO steps in for Cloud vs Mana according to the OP
EDIT: Oh and just read up on the Painuser thingie, pretty BM to do that to the Emperor of all people. Who would not want to play Boxer just for having done so?
Oh yeah, TLO stepping in and winning the last set of Sen vs Cloud!!!
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On June 06 2011 15:28 Krehlmar wrote: I say this:
First off, get in contact with him, he better have a good reason OR ; Give him a permenant warning or a ban from the next NASL.
Saddest thing there is: this won't even hit him that much. Personally, I'll definitely boycott all of his casting because of this. (he's trying to get into casting, as I understand)
PU should not get invited into a single tournament after this kind of behavior, totally unacceptable and straight up rude, YEAH MAN A PLAYER LIKE DIMAGA COULD HAVE HAD YOUR SPOT FFS!!!!!
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
lol why?
EDIT: yea watched it lol losira and mma ARE boring....effing marine/tank vs muta/baneling/speedling with some roaches... it's like repeating some mindless mantra for the hundredth time
dam losira sucked too... wtf didn't guard against drops? let spawning pool go down?
plus MMA coulda sniped those hatcheries and spawning pool a lot faster...it was just the same old thing that others can execute better
What Painuser did is fucking rude and unprofessional, quite a shame how he treats NASL counting he got invited there. I hope he gets banned from future NASL events, many other players would kill for a spot that he has.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
lol why?
EDIT: yea watched it lol losira and mma ARE boring....effing marine/tank vs muta/baneling/speedling with some roaches... it's like repeating some mindless mantra for the hundredth time
dam losira sucked too... wtf didn't guard against drops? let spawning pool go down?
plus MMA coulda sniped those hatcheries and spawning pool a lot faster...it was just the same old thing that others can execute better
lol man MMA multi task control is amazing.. Even when mutas are out and supposed to end all drop harass. MMA still controls the pace of the game with drop ship.. I don't think any other players can do that... maybe only boxer
On June 06 2011 13:37 DoomsVille wrote: What is very very important is the fact that he has ignored all attempts by NASL to contact him. This is ludicrous. How hard is it to respond to an email or make a phone call. It would literally take him 2 minutes if he sent them an e-mail and said "I don't have time for the league so I withdraw".
NASL has used this same response when they failed to get hold of Whitera and others who have been walk-over games. Frankly it is so unbelievable that I think there is more than just one side to these stories.
It shouldn't really be NASL's responsibility to get a hold of him in either case... he signed a contract and even if he didn't have the decency to get a hold of them or answer your phone/ e-mail once in 3 weeks? Even if they didn't try as hard as they say they did to get a hold of him, its easy to assume they called/e-mailed him once every week, thats 2 weeks to check your e-mail or phone history to call them back, which he didn't do.
There is no excuse for not showing up/ getting a hold of them for 3 weeks in a row. I'm probably more angry then I should, which is most likely due to the fact that he has now stood up and wasted Boxers time, but still complete dick move totally unprofessional/inexcusable
No, NASL should bear some responsibility to at least make contact prior to that matchups and confirm everything, especially with all the WO's happening lately. While it may be his responsibility as the player to show up and respect the contracts, it looks bad for NASL if he doesn't show up (which he didn't)
I'm sorry, I have to absolutely disagree.
If you hire a contractor to show up to work, you expect them to show up. The onus is not on the organizer to run around every week to remind them of them responsibilities, make them a sack lunch, wipe their ass etc.
analogies work both ways.
For example lets say your throwing this huge barbecue and need 500 burgers. You place an order at your local burger shop and give them what date the order should be ready by and when you will pick it up. You don't bother to check on the order (and you shouldnt have to in a perfect world) as the date gets closer, and on the day your supposed to pick them up the burgers aren't ready because someone forgot to send the order through. Is it your fault? No, but you should have checked prior to this to make sure everything was perfect because at the end of the day the burger company doesn't lose much, but your barbecue is ruined.
Well, the NASL has been asking about their fucking PainBurger for weeks now and no one is returning their calls.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
lol why?
EDIT: yea watched it lol losira and mma ARE boring....effing marine/tank vs muta/baneling/speedling with some roaches... it's like repeating some mindless mantra for the hundredth time
dam losira sucked too... wtf didn't guard against drops? let spawning pool go down?
plus MMA coulda sniped those hatcheries and spawning pool a lot faster...it was just the same old thing that others can execute better
Lemme guess... butthurt fanboy of a player MMA/Losira stomped on.
On June 06 2011 17:27 IzieBoy wrote: EDIT: yea watched it lol losira and mma ARE boring....effing marine/tank vs muta/baneling/speedling with some roaches... it's like repeating some mindless mantra for the hundredth time
Well I suppose it's boring if you judge a game by the number of different units the players build.
I would personally rather watch a game that involves and is determined by actual genuine skill than games determined by strategy and build order wins.
On June 06 2011 18:01 SuperStyle wrote: What Painuser did is fucking rude and unprofessional, quite a shame how he treats NASL counting he got invited there. I hope he gets banned from future NASL events, many other players would kill for a spot that he has.
Not to mention how unfair this is to the people who actually beat him
On June 06 2011 18:01 SuperStyle wrote: What Painuser did is fucking rude and unprofessional, quite a shame how he treats NASL counting he got invited there. I hope he gets banned from future NASL events, many other players would kill for a spot that he has.
Not to mention how unfair this is to the people who actually beat him
On June 06 2011 18:01 SuperStyle wrote: What Painuser did is fucking rude and unprofessional, quite a shame how he treats NASL counting he got invited there. I hope he gets banned from future NASL events, many other players would kill for a spot that he has.
Not to mention how unfair this is to the people who actually beat him
Everyone? :D
Well, the top 4 in group 5 is boxer, sen, zenio, Idra sen and Idra played and beat painuser He's likely going to forfeit to zenio as well.
So even though he was likely going to lose to boxer/zenio considering how close things are in group 5, you never know...
Edit: Look at Grubby, he's obviously not making it out of his group, yet he managed to take a game of Morrow anyway,
Painuser goes down in infamy, if he was a decent player you could forgive him over time, but after doing this, i don't want to see his name in a serious tournament again.
also, i'm not trying to bash NASL at every corner, but this kind of thing alongside the no-shows are the consequence of this league's crap organization from the beginning -mainly how they did the invites and who they invited-, if they didn't rush things they'd be far better off. what a failure.
wow this is very dissapointing behaviour by painuser. I put the blame on NASL also for accepting people like painuser into the league rather than someone better. Not only is he a horrible player but he doesnt even have the decency to inform them if he quit
On June 06 2011 20:05 landmarktiger wrote: wow this is very dissapointing behaviour by painuser. I put the blame on NASL also for accepting people like painuser into the league rather than someone better. Not only is he a horrible player but he doesnt even have the decency to inform them if he quit
Came in third at mlg Dallas last year and was known as one of the most manner players in the community, not NASL's fault
Painuser has stopped playing because he got a full time job at IGN working on eSports stuff and he claims he doesn't have enough time to play competitively anymore. I mean, its his life and he has to do what he has to do, but I wasn't watching last night and am I right to assume they waited for him anyway? If he is done, he should just officially drop out of the tournament and save everyone the trouble.
On June 06 2011 13:13 Corrupted wrote: PainUser is going to lose his relevancy pretty quickly now that he has stopped competing...and will be known for BM.
Which is kinda sad cause it didnt have to be like this. Every player can lose the motivation to play and if he just informed the NASL crew that he forfeit the tourny cause he didnt feel like playing anymore and apologized to NASL, the players and the viewers that would be,,,well not fine but at least understandable and we could all move on. Painuser would have kept his integrity that way but instead he acts like a douche. Basically he screwed himself over moreso than NASL and the other players...really, really sad imo.
Disappointed in painuser for depriving me of more games with the Emperor, just drop out of the tournament and stop dragging everyone else through the mud.
Really disappointing by Painburger, how can you make the emperor go up in the middle of night and wait, for nothing? The disrespect is unfathomable. I'll be staying away from his casts for sure.
Not sure why some people are putting the blame on NASL though, seems like people like to kick on them whenever given the chance to. How about appreciating the enormous effort they made to create this league?
The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings. The NASL system just takes too long the group phase should be cut down to half the time imo to prevent these problems. In that sense GSL is better as only the players that are still in the running have to keep on playing and you don't have to deal with unmotivated players. I know the bottom players can theoretically keep on playing for their right to stay in the NASL for next season but for many that is hardly interesting at all as they might not even want to play next season (work, studies etc.) Boxer vs Idra next week will be big though as the winner is garanteed a top 2 spot and the loser probably isn't.
Wtf how are people blaiming NASL for this...if anything, they deserve credit for giving painuser the chance to show up, instead of giving away walkovers immediately.
Anyhow, if I was a manager at IGN and had someone in the esports department behaving THIS disrespectfully without a damn good reason (let's wait and see), then I'd make it my personal business of making sure that this person gets fired as soon as the legal system allows for it.
On June 06 2011 20:05 landmarktiger wrote: wow this is very dissapointing behaviour by painuser. I put the blame on NASL also for accepting people like painuser into the league rather than someone better. Not only is he a horrible player but he doesnt even have the decency to inform them if he quit
Came in third at mlg Dallas last year and was known as one of the most manner players in the community, not NASL's fault
Well, the MLG was ages ago, and he hasn't managed to perform well ever since. But that with the most manner players is sadly true.
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
Painuser didn't play last week either, and Grubby may 'have' to play, but it's still commendable that he's actually going for it, a true professional!
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
I have to admit that I didn't follow NASL that closely, but I thought there were numerous walkovers without any reason?
What I meant is, even notifying NASL that you can't play shouldn't be acceptable - only things that should matter are dying/dead relatives, you yourself being sick etc. Basicly the stuff that also would excuse you from showing up to work.
On June 06 2011 10:24 Scythe90 wrote: This game is so boring after losira/mma
lol why?
EDIT: yea watched it lol losira and mma ARE boring....effing marine/tank vs muta/baneling/speedling with some roaches... it's like repeating some mindless mantra for the hundredth time
dam losira sucked too... wtf didn't guard against drops? let spawning pool go down?
plus MMA coulda sniped those hatcheries and spawning pool a lot faster...it was just the same old thing that others can execute better
Yeah i feel you boy, always the same composition of units roach/sling/banelings/muta, why Losira didn't use some lurker/scourge/queen/defiler?
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
Painuser didn't play last week either, and Grubby may 'have' to play, but it's still commendable that he's actually going for it, a true professional!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to take away credit from Grubby. Just saying that something like Painuser probably won't ever happen again.
There are a few select words I would have for Painuser, but I'd rather not release them as I value my reputation here.
I am dissapointed that he did what he did, but thats his choice and if he really wants to be out he can. Wish he woulda been more civilized about it though.
On June 06 2011 22:27 57 Corvette wrote: There are a few select words I would have for Painuser, but I'd rather not release them as I value my reputation here.
I am dissapointed that he did what he did, but thats his choice and if he really wants to be out he can. Wish he woulda been more civilized about it though.
Even politely informing withdrawal is better than making opponents wait for him.
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
I have to admit that I didn't follow NASL that closely, but I thought there were numerous walkovers without any reason?
What I meant is, even notifying NASL that you can't play shouldn't be acceptable - only things that should matter are dying/dead relatives, you yourself being sick etc. Basicly the stuff that also would excuse you from showing up to work.
I think all the walk-overs had goods excuses so far.
Like White-Ra had to forfeit his match because the Dreamhack didn't let him play. (it happened after Dreamhack and they wouldn't give him a computer to play on) That was against July and he had to wait all-night as well. Not very pleasant, he could've tried to notify the NASL and July, but still acceptable.
And MC once had problems with a flight just after Dreamhack, I think. Jinro wrote something about it here in TL. And I think MC once had a scheduling conflict in another match, but he notified the NASL well beforehand and hence there was no problem.
I think the main issue is that, even though it takes place online, the NASL is so inflexible with the time, because they want to record it live.
WTF,aren't Incontrol and Painuser co-hosts in Inside the Game??? How on earth is it possible that Incontrol hasn't talked to Painuser for more than one week,or that Painuser has indeed decided to drop out of NASL but doesn't talk to anyone about it. And last,how will they be able to work together if NASL does plan to crush Painuser down,like the statement implied??
"Boxer Obtains a 2-0 W.O. Painuser Gives up on NASL and BM's not even notifying NASL of this NASL hints at "this will not be forgotten" Boxer had to stay up for the entire day it will be noted because painuser didn't just notify NASL that he was quiting NASL"
I can't understand this, it's such bad grammar and there's no punctuation!
On June 06 2011 22:56 Shackadeemus wrote: "Boxer Obtains a 2-0 W.O. Painuser Gives up on NASL and BM's not even notifying NASL of this NASL hints at "this will not be forgotten" Boxer had to stay up for the entire day it will be noted because painuser didn't just notify NASL that he was quiting NASL"
I can't understand this, it's such bad grammar and there's no punctuation!
Sure but you got the gist of it right? If you didn't, here's a summary.
-BoxeR gets 2-0 W.O over Painuser. -Painuser forfeits his place in NASL without even officially notifying them. (I guess an automatic forfeit since they've had no contact?) -NASL hints (I assume by the casters) that this will affect his possible future NASL participations. -BoxeR had to stay up through the night because of Painuser not notifying him or NASL of his absence. (arguably the worst transgression! :S)
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
I have to admit that I didn't follow NASL that closely, but I thought there were numerous walkovers without any reason?
What I meant is, even notifying NASL that you can't play shouldn't be acceptable - only things that should matter are dying/dead relatives, you yourself being sick etc. Basicly the stuff that also would excuse you from showing up to work.
I think all the walk-overs had goods excuses so far.
Like White-Ra had to forfeit his match because the Dreamhack didn't let him play. (it happened after Dreamhack and they wouldn't give him a computer to play on) That was against July and he had to wait all-night as well. Not very pleasant, he could've tried to notify the NASL and July, but still acceptable.
And MC once had problems with a flight just after Dreamhack, I think. Jinro wrote something about it here in TL. And I think MC once had a scheduling conflict in another match, but he notified the NASL well beforehand and hence there was no problem.
I think the main issue is that, even though it takes place online, the NASL is so inflexible with the time, because they want to record it live.
Ok, then my bad. I just looked up the results of several playdays without watching the games and figured that some of the walkovers were simple no-shows without valid excuses.
On June 06 2011 22:27 57 Corvette wrote: There are a few select words I would have for Painuser, but I'd rather not release them as I value my reputation here.
I am dissapointed that he did what he did, but thats his choice and if he really wants to be out he can. Wish he woulda been more civilized about it though.
Even politely informing withdrawal is better than making opponents wait for him.
Yeah, thats what I meant by "more civilized". A real gentleman does let his opponent wait through the late night for him not to show up.
.. Now that I am really thinking about it, what if something happened to him? He could in the hospital or something, and that could explain why he has been out of contact.
Probably not the case, but gotta consider all possibilities.
On June 06 2011 22:27 57 Corvette wrote: There are a few select words I would have for Painuser, but I'd rather not release them as I value my reputation here.
I am dissapointed that he did what he did, but thats his choice and if he really wants to be out he can. Wish he woulda been more civilized about it though.
Even politely informing withdrawal is better than making opponents wait for him.
Yeah, thats what I meant by "more civilized". A real gentleman does let his opponent wait through the late night for him not to show up.
.. Now that I am really thinking about it, what if something happened to him? He could in the hospital or something, and that could explain why he has been out of contact.
Probably not the case, but gotta consider all possibilities.
He was on ITG for the last two weeks, and was at MLG Columbus. There's nothing wrong with him, or if there is, it's nothing that's gonna stop him playing a Bo3.
On June 06 2011 22:27 57 Corvette wrote: There are a few select words I would have for Painuser, but I'd rather not release them as I value my reputation here.
I am dissapointed that he did what he did, but thats his choice and if he really wants to be out he can. Wish he woulda been more civilized about it though.
Even politely informing withdrawal is better than making opponents wait for him.
Yeah, thats what I meant by "more civilized". A real gentleman does let his opponent wait through the late night for him not to show up.
.. Now that I am really thinking about it, what if something happened to him? He could in the hospital or something, and that could explain why he has been out of contact.
Probably not the case, but gotta consider all possibilities.
He was on ITG for the last two weeks, and was at MLG Columbus. There's nothing wrong with him, or if there is, it's nothing that's gonna stop him playing a Bo3.
Oh. Then there is no excuse for his jackassery, and he should be dealt to the fullest extent of the NASL crew's rage.
So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
No. If Idra wins, Boxer can not advance unless both Sen and Zenio lose. If Idra wins and Sen and Zenio wins (probably the more likely scenario), Sen and Zenio advance. Boxer advances if he wins.
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
They cant all win, Boxer is playing Idra.. The scenarios possible are listed on that thread:
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
No. If Idra wins, Boxer can not advance unless both Sen and Zenio lose. If Idra wins and Sen and Zenio wins (probably the more likely scenario), Sen and Zenio advance. Boxer advances if he wins.
Keep in mind that zenio is supposed to play painuser next week, so that will most likely be a W.O. as well, meaning Idra is kinda screwed either way
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
No. If Idra wins, Boxer can not advance unless both Sen and Zenio lose. If Idra wins and Sen and Zenio wins (probably the more likely scenario), Sen and Zenio advance. Boxer advances if he wins.
Keep in mind that zenio is supposed to play painuser next week, so that will most likely be a W.O. as well, meaning Idra is kinda screwed either way
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
They cant all win, Boxer is playing Idra.. The scenarios possible are listed on that thread:
Seems I'm mistaken about Boxer and Sen clinching top 2, but what I meant is that all of them will keep playing. Top 2 advance, the next 2 go to the 20 man playoff, and since none of them can fall past 4th now they've all guaranteed themselves that they'll stay in the tournament.
If I'm not mistaken, which I might be, because the information about the format is terrible, the top two of each division go on to the main bracket, and the top 20 in the overall standings go on to the playoff. That would be an average of 4 people per division, but not necessarily evenly distributed. This makes it rather difficult to predict.
Next week we only have 1 known result: Zenio 2-0 painuser and therefore Zenio 7-2 10 points. The other results that matter are Boxer vs Idra and Sen vs Socke and those have 4 sets of possible winners:
Boxer and Sen win: they both advance. Boxer because his record would be 8-1 and Sen because worst case he will be at 7-2 10 points tied with Zenio but he won the head to head match vs him.
Boxer and Socke win: Boxer and Zenio advance. Boxer would be at 8-1, Zenio at 7-2 and both Sen and Idra would be at 6-3.
Idra and Sen win: Sen and Zenio advance. They all tie at 7-2 but Zenio will have 10 points Sen at least 10 and Boxer, Idra will both have less than 10.
Idra and Socke win: Zenio and Idra advance. Boxer, Idra and Zenio all tie at 7-2 but Zenio will have 10 points while Idra will have at most 9 and Boxer at most 8, if Idra wins 2-1 him and Boxer would tie at 7-2 8 points but Idra would've won the head to head match.
Notice that in this case the scores of the matches are irrelevant and only who wins matters.
On June 07 2011 02:09 Marcus420 wrote: all points that have to do with Painuser should be turned to 0.
Its really no fair that people get so many 2-0's because he never shows up. They should just be null at this point.
Sorry, but are you nuts? You do know that the bottom 10 of the entire league are dropped off, don't you? By doing that, you'd give the players of the group a huge disadvantage!
On June 07 2011 02:09 Marcus420 wrote: all points that have to do with Painuser should be turned to 0.
Its really no fair that people get so many 2-0's because he never shows up. They should just be null at this point.
Sorry, but are you nuts? You do know that the bottom 10 of the entire league are dropped off, don't you? By doing that, you'd give the players of the group a huge disadvantage!
ok? then everyone gets an auto 2-0. No need to be so hostile. i thought it was only top 2 of each group advances. i didnt know that bottom 10 with the least points are out for good. settle down.
On June 07 2011 02:09 Marcus420 wrote: all points that have to do with Painuser should be turned to 0.
Its really no fair that people get so many 2-0's because he never shows up. They should just be null at this point.
Sorry, but are you nuts? You do know that the bottom 10 of the entire league are dropped off, don't you? By doing that, you'd give the players of the group a huge disadvantage!
ok? then everyone gets an auto 2-0. No need to be so hostile. i thought it was only top 2 of each group advances. i didnt know that bottom 10 with the least points are out for good. settle down.
Ok, but how is that fair to the people who actually did 2-0 him? No matter how you think to solve this someone ends u getting the bad end of the deal.
On June 06 2011 10:09 On_Slaught wrote: Idra and Drewbie found the time to play this during MLG? Impressive.
Obviously incontrol and gretorp weren't in the NASL studio casting this during MLG. I guess they produced everything a little early this week so that everyone could still head off to MLG. Games must have been played on wednesday.
Ya I realized that not long after I posted lol. Makes sense since they knew far in advance this was MLG weekend.
FYI on SoTG this past week (geoffs last) he said they had been doing 12 hours of casting on Monday to make up for missing the rest of the week due to travel time.
iNcontroL was right to call PainUser out on this. It's extremely disrespectful to the league and the players. Along with the many top players who lost out on the opportunity to play in this league because he took up a spot. You don't see teams when they get relegated in the EPL not play anymore games because they can't stay up anymore. You play your games out and still try your best because it illegitimizes the league and is extremely unprofessional not to.
On June 07 2011 05:16 Torte de Lini wrote: Sorry, I just missed the Painuser controversy, can anyone give me the summary ):
SO SORRY
I missed it too but was able to get a perfect idea of what happened by reading the last few pages of this thread.
Basically:
PainUser hasn't showed up for his recent NASL matches, including the most recent match vs. BoxeR. Normally this would be okay, except for the fact that he hasn't made any attempt to contact NASL and let them know he won't be playing or that he has conflicts. All he's done is allude to not wanting to play anymore on a web show, but hasn't directly/officially contacted NASL. As a result, he's disappointed the viewers and the people running NASL, but more importantly he's inconvenienced The Emperor who was quite annoyed that he had to wake up at 3 AM and wait around for over an hour before they awarded him a walkover.
On June 07 2011 05:16 Torte de Lini wrote: Sorry, I just missed the Painuser controversy, can anyone give me the summary ):
SO SORRY
He hasn't shown for matches for 3 weeks. He didnt contact NASL about not showing. He has dodged all attempts for NASL to contact him. NASL has tryed emailing, calling, getting in touch with people he knows. Pretty much any way to get ahold of him to see wtf is up. He pretty much disappeared, even though he was at mlg, and many other events. Hes even on inside the game.
Not only that but he is making Boxer, who goes out of his way to play from korea wait for hours, and still not show or give a reason why he didnt show.
Another reason people are pretty angry is the fact someone else could be in his spot actually competing and have a shot at the most prestigious tourny in NA.
I just read back a few pages, sorry guys. That's a big shame from Painuser, especially when we catch him getting interviews at MLG. I wonder if incontrol stopped him and asked.
It is a pretty dick thing for painuser to do, but out of what, 80 players, only one is doing this? The tourney is so long I'm surprised it isn't happening more. Obviously these players will not be invited back, but there should really be a backup plan of some sort. A player that is not in a division, who can play his share of games on short notice if someone is in danger of a walkover?
FYI, painuser has been a no show for the last three weeks, and no one from nasl can contact him. Boxer was up presumably at 3am to play his game and painuser is unreachable, so he was angry, understandably so.
On June 07 2011 05:23 onmach wrote: It is a pretty dick thing for painuser to do, but out of what, 80 players, only one is doing this? The tourney is so long I'm surprised it isn't happening more. Obviously these players will not be invited back, but there should really be a backup plan of some sort. A player that is not in a division, who can play his share of games on short notice if someone is in danger of a walkover?
FYI, painuser has been a no show for the last three weeks, and no one from nasl can contact him. Boxer was up presumably at 3am to play his game and painuser is unreachable, so he was angry, understandably so.
NASL will accommodate the players if they have good reason not to show up but only if they contact them before hand. PU just dodges, and has been doing so for 3 weeks straight which is highly disrespectful to NASL and other players.
I don't understand him at all. Why wouldn't he just play it out? There is no shame in losing as long as you give it your best. This however is a shame and pathetic.
I really hope PainUser is dropped from all his casting assignments/shows and barred from any big future tournaments that aren't open registration. What a joke of a person.
Great day I really enjoyed you casting. However I'm so disappointed by Painuser, I hope this has nothing to do with the fact that he is working for IGN.
On June 06 2011 23:23 MajorityofOne wrote: So with the top 4 all winning, it means that Sen and Boxer have clinched top 2 and advance to the top 16, while Idra and Zenio clinch spots in the playoff round, yes? Pretty cool to see 3 Zergs moving on in this group.
No. If Idra wins, Boxer can not advance unless both Sen and Zenio lose. If Idra wins and Sen and Zenio wins (probably the more likely scenario), Sen and Zenio advance. Boxer advances if he wins.
Keep in mind that zenio is supposed to play painuser next week, so that will most likely be a W.O. as well, meaning Idra is kinda screwed either way
This being the case, Idra must be PISSED
I don't think Idra actually considered the possibility of PainUser winning against Zenio
PainUser.. worst behavior I have seen yet in SC2 (at least that I remember)
On June 06 2011 18:34 Ryler wrote: anyone else really "upset" with the standings not being updated? I remember they used to update them as soon as the match ended ...
Yeah, it's really annoying. Especially this close to the playoffs. Fortunately liquipedia has been updating them semi regularly. Volunteers > NASL staff.
I'd like to see someone try to contact IGN and get Painuser off commentating. He has been completely unprofessional, and I think the majority of people would agree that his name is a Stain on the IPL.
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also can the NASL site update the standings? It's been a week, and not even the 8-1 matches are updated.
I think everyone would like to see the current status of the top 20, which is apparently the playoff cast.
Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
On June 07 2011 05:23 onmach wrote: It is a pretty dick thing for painuser to do, but out of what, 80 players, only one is doing this? The tourney is so long I'm surprised it isn't happening more.
Several players have missed games they shouldn't have, but Painuser is by far the worst of them.
It's really sad that a few scenarios are being determined or at the least influenced by no show walkovers. This hurts the competition. It's down to a lack of professionalism.
That said, seeing what has happened, NASL will need to make adjustments to allow for a lack of professionalism with scheduling. There are several players that haven't taken this competition seriously enough as far as I'm concerned, including some surprising, high profile names. This shows a lot of disrespect to all their fellow competitors. Any player can accept missing out on spots/qualification etc. due to their own play, but due to someone else not bothering to schedule a game, or worse yet just ignoring one? That's just unacceptable.
I know each and every player would have an excuse as to why they couldn't make it, but it shouldn't be unexpected, and it has been.
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
Think of it like Lebron James's move to Miami. It was a dick move, sure, but understandable. The method of going through with the decision (Lebron's stupid 1 hour special, PainUser just dodging NASL) is what fuels such vitriol.
PainUser has to man up and say he is withdrawing if he doesn't feel like playing anymore. Major disrespect to his fellow competitors... don't know why anyone would want to have him cast their games if they know of this sort of behavior.
he's to hated to really become a personality honestly, and i mean he still could have found the time to play a couple of games every week, even if he wasnt showing his best he was still showing something for fuck sake
IMHO Painuser should be banned from SC2 tournaments for a while.
You do NOT BM your opponent by not even letting him know you've left, ESPECIALLY if he's halfway around the world, in a completely different timezone, waiting for you, and after having prepared so damn much.
You do NOT BM the tournament, because you agreed to play there and should at least have the decency to let them know, after ALL the trouble they had organizing all that crap.
And lastly, and most importantly...
YOU DO NOT BM BOXER. NEVER. HE CREATED ESPORTS. Painuser might never have been able to compete in such a big and important SC2 tournament had Boxer never existed and Esports never took off.
I'm amazed at the gall of this fool. I don't care about how good he is, this is just downright disrespectful to EVERYONE, and how the f***, how dare he stand up BOXER waiting for HIM.
ridiculous to just quit on a tournament. could have had another deserving player in his place. also screws up seeding because everyone left he faces gets WO. I don't think grubby has missed a game and he is still winless. you keep playing, even if your doing bad.
So on top of just being terrible PainUser is also a quitter and has BM'd Boxer? PainUser should be banned from TL and the TL community should put some pressure on the IPL to cancel their casting contract with him. What a disgrace.
if he would just notify and explain his situation to NASL then he wouldn't have gotten all this flak, maybe they could even find someone who is willing to take his spot
On June 06 2011 22:56 Shackadeemus wrote: "Boxer Obtains a 2-0 W.O. Painuser Gives up on NASL and BM's not even notifying NASL of this NASL hints at "this will not be forgotten" Boxer had to stay up for the entire day it will be noted because painuser didn't just notify NASL that he was quiting NASL"
I can't understand this, it's such bad grammar and there's no punctuation!
Sure but you got the gist of it right? If you didn't, here's a summary.
-BoxeR gets 2-0 W.O over Painuser. -Painuser forfeits his place in NASL without even officially notifying them. (I guess an automatic forfeit since they've had no contact?) -NASL hints (I assume by the casters) that this will affect his possible future NASL participations. -BoxeR had to stay up through the night because of Painuser not notifying him or NASL of his absence. (arguably the worst transgression! :S)
last week on inside the game he announced he was retiring from competitive play. im sure he doesnt care that the nasl wont let him compete anymore
On June 07 2011 05:47 Wesso wrote:
PainUser.. worst behavior I have seen yet in SC2 (at least that I remember)
clearly youve never seen someone play against combat ex
i don't wish ill on players as long as they do their best, but cmon man, how can you not notify anyone when you know your opponent is staying up in the middle of the night to play you. That's just a douche move.
Wow, Painuser being the ultimate douchebag to.... Boxer? Unbelievable.
He really doesn't deserve any respect or acknowledgement from the community whatsoever, and any web shows should drop him immediately. Unprofessionalism at its worst.
On June 07 2011 08:03 Mr. Nefarious wrote: So on top of just being terrible PainUser is also a quitter and has BM'd Boxer? PainUser should be banned from TL and the TL community should put some pressure on the IPL to cancel their casting contract with him. What a disgrace.
Whole-heartedly agree. Painuser is acting like a 12 year-old child. It's absolutely pathetic. People/sponsors should set an example for other would-be unprofessional acts and give this guy a harsh lesson.
Somebody should at least let BoxeR know how much hardcore support he has... People are seething with rage over this PainUser ordeal and the best part is that most of the rage is specifically geared towards defending THE EMPEROR. I love it. He really is an emperor, he has a following that just might actually kill and pillage in his name it seems.
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
Or option 4, essentially option 2, but at least finish out playing his games in NASL, a huge tournament that gave PainUser a spot that so many people would've loved to have.
Or option 5, also option 2, but at least inform NASL about dropping out and apologize to the fans about it.
I feel a little bad that so many people are busting PainUser's balls right now (myself included) but then again, he's getting exactly the response he deserves.
When you behave professionally in a such way where you hide your intentions, or don't even attempt to communicate, this is exactly what happens. You leave everyone else around to speculate, and almost 90% of the time they are going to assume the worst.
And I'm sure tomorrow we'll hear some PainUser or IdrA or another SC 'Pro' complain about 'the haters' or 'idiots' on TL, but you reap what you sow. This is nota phenomenon exclusive to TL, this is unfortunately how 'the real world' works. If you don't have the courage, courtesy or decency to speak for yourself, you're forcing other people to speak for you. And you're not going to like the results.
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
Think of it like Lebron James's move to Miami. It was a dick move, sure, but understandable. The method of going through with the decision (Lebron's stupid 1 hour special, PainUser just dodging NASL) is what fuels such vitriol.
cmon buddy, how can you compare the two? Lebron did not break any rules, did not breach any contract, what he did was 100% okay in the business sense.
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
Think of it like Lebron James's move to Miami. It was a dick move, sure, but understandable. The method of going through with the decision (Lebron's stupid 1 hour special, PainUser just dodging NASL) is what fuels such vitriol.
cmon buddy, how can you compare the two? Lebron did not break any rules, did not breach any contract, what he did was 100% okay in the business sense.
Professionalism comes to mind, people like to forget how Lebron walked out, aka quit on them during a playoff series, PainUser for the last 3 weeks has left his opponents out to dry with some in entirely different timezones. If the player wants to quit, and accept the consequences, that's fine, but don't make it more of a problem than it already is.
Like I honestly don't wish for him to be involved with the professional scene in any capacity because he clearly doesn't respect it, and players being interviewed by him should just kindly turn it down. You don't get to pick and choose your moments.
On June 07 2011 06:10 nvs. wrote: I will be trying my best to avoid PainUser related projects in the future. Simple as that.
I can totally understand this sentiment. In fact, PainUser might be thinking that he is a caster now, but this move makes his casting career very much in doubt, IMO. Nobody, neither organizers, nor fans will forget.
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Here's what has essentially happened with Painuser, he turned a lukewarm career in progaming into a paid gig casting for IGN. Look at the disintegration of Lazarus Gaming, that was kind of a joke in the first place, but what options did he have? Let's take a look:
1. Get on a new team, which involves showing this new team that you're worth it, which involves a lot of practice and hard work, all the while trying to support yourself by whatever means necessary (not fun)
2. Jump aboard the IGN money train and cast games/become a gaming "personality" (Tasteless, Artosis, Incontrol) which by no means is easy, but I think that we can all agree that playing at a high level is much harder to do.
3. Middle of the road, keep playing but start casting as well, probably not possible imo with the IGN gig, not enough time to really play well.
So which would you pick? Honestly... And yes he did this in the worst way possible by just giving NASL the cold shoulder, that was just flat out wrong, and he should be called out for it. Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
Or option 4, essentially option 2, but at least finish out playing his games in NASL, a huge tournament that gave PainUser a spot that so many people would've loved to have.
Or option 5, also option 2, but at least inform NASL about dropping out and apologize to the fans about it.
Exactly, it's not like option 4 is hard for him to do either. Just show up once a week for 4 weeks and play 2 games of starcraft. He's been a semi-pro/pro for long enough that even without practice he's not going to totally fall apart. And even if he did, the public will rib him a bit and forget soon.
The path he is taking now, the public will not forget for a while.
Also, doesn't he forfeit $50 every time he gives a WO? Again, 2 games of starcraft is max 1-2 hours of time.
I really hope he has a side to this, because it doesn't really make sense from any perspective.
Disappointing but understandable to a degree by Painuser, but I wonder how much hate he'd be getting if he had done this to anyone else besides Boxer. Sucks he won't be playing anymore, but I wish him the best of luck with IGN.
Man. I have a hard time believing Painuser, who I presumed understood the weight of reputation, walked out on a match like that. A heads up to BoxeR and it all would have been fine, no controversy, no problems
Step 1: Accept new responsibilities Step 2: Inform new employer of old responsibilities and explain you don't like walking out on you commitments. Add that these commitments only take a couple hours a week and are a one-time thing only.
Step 3a: Employer makes concessions for you Step 4a: You don't look like an asshole.
Step 3b: Employer doesn't make concessions for you Step 4b: Inform those affected of your dilemma and ask for understanding. Step 5b: You don't look like an asshole.
Option A happens 90% of the time if you can state what dates and time you will be unavailable. Most people aren't actually assholes if you deal with them with respect. Respect involves valuing other peoples' time, not just your own.
Very disappointing PainUser.. the guy who makes eSports BIG and PU works for IGN doing commentary?? He relies on eSport getting bigger, yet he dissed the man who made it big.. now that is so badd..
On June 07 2011 12:34 MeatlessTaco wrote: Step 1: Accept new responsibilities Step 2: Inform new employer of old responsibilities and explain you don't like walking out on you commitments. Add that these commitments only take a couple hours a week and are a one-time thing only.
Step 3a: Employer makes concessions for you Step 4a: You don't look like an asshole.
Step 3b: Employer doesn't make concessions for you Step 4b: Inform those affected of your dilemma and ask for understanding. Step 5b: You don't look like an asshole.
Option A happens 90% of the time if you can state what dates and time you will be unavailable. Most people aren't actually assholes if you deal with them with respect. Respect involves valuing other peoples' time, not just your own.
Exactly. I can't imagine IGN would ever tell him he can't play his matches at work. I mean they don't have a problem with him doing ITG while he's at work.
It's going to take what... an hour a week? Just like ITG.
Even if you do go winless, its much better to atleast play the games and lose all of them, rather then quitting, bming by not notifying the league, and making a player wait for the match to occur. Painuser....I'm disappointed.
Instead of quitting the NASL, this guy needs to quit SC2 period.
Lost to everyone but managed to wipe the floor with Incontrol Definitely did not hear about this while the big man was casting the NASL.... <wink wink>
While Painuser deserves the nerd rage directed at him, whats up with the stupid comments on boycotting IPL? What did IPL do to you?
I'm definitely not going to boycott IPL 2, but I don't think I'll cry very much if Painuser gets "released"...
Even if it were not the Emperor we're talking about, even if it were just a random bronze player he had an appointment with, this is extremely unprofessional and reflects extremely poorly on Painuser as a human being.
Man, even as a lowly Platinum player, I would give a lot to play a Bo3 against Boxer. Can't understand the reason to avoid the games. I mean, a Bo3 isn't going to take more than an hour a week of your time. :/
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
It's just so hard to believe that NASL have tried to contact PU for three weeks without any response? Have they tried his cell, asking him on Bnet and Skype/mail, and he ignored all this?
On June 06 2011 21:08 Markwerf wrote: The problems of a long individual competition are starting to show. Some players have practically nothing to play for anymore and they either simply drop or don't put in any effort anymore. As a result some players are getting free wins which influences the top standings.
All of this can be solved really easily. Make the players themselves make a huge deposit, that they will get back unless they don't show up without good reason.
Works in "real life" too...in fact, stipulating that someone has to pay huge sums in case of breach of contract is everyday's business. Don't like it? Don't participate.
This with Painuser is probably a one-time-only occurence. Any player in a team who pulls of something like this, will definitely be kicked out of his team for doing that and Grubby would probably get into trouble with his sponsors.
I have to admit that I didn't follow NASL that closely, but I thought there were numerous walkovers without any reason?
What I meant is, even notifying NASL that you can't play shouldn't be acceptable - only things that should matter are dying/dead relatives, you yourself being sick etc. Basicly the stuff that also would excuse you from showing up to work.
I think all the walk-overs had goods excuses so far.
Like White-Ra had to forfeit his match because the Dreamhack didn't let him play. (it happened after Dreamhack and they wouldn't give him a computer to play on) That was against July and he had to wait all-night as well. Not very pleasant, he could've tried to notify the NASL and July, but still acceptable.
More like Dreamhack afterparty ^^
On June 07 2011 06:05 Weird wrote: Looking at the latest MLG the competition just got that much harder, IGN luckily (lol) has banned Koreans from their tourneys so far, so they're still safe for now, but the fans demand games of the highest level, so I don't think they can hold off forever before letting them play.
IGN took a big gamble with season 2. Hopefully it will turn out good. No invites. Only top 3 from Season 3 and people who qualified through 4 qualifiers... People who got skill got in (big names with a decline in their skill didnt). Its either hit or miss with the viewers... But remember TSL 3 finals.
But this is NASL thread so back to topic. Painuser become a blue collar worker. Asked NASL if he can change the hours of his matches. Got a big negative. Since he cant play from work he just didnt show. Simple as that.
If Painuser isn't called out on Inside the game, and if I don't like his answer, I won't watch the show anymore. Simple as that.
he's gonna make up some bullshit marginally believable excuse and people will take it because they don't really care or they jsut liek the guy. and they should care if they want esports to become a reality (no, all this growth we've got atm is a bubble, and there's miles and miles to go before esports becomes a reality)
no matter what happened to him, even if he was sick, doing this is impardonably immature and unprofessional. check grubby out, he didn't win anything, and he's still playing all his matches, that's what a professional gamer looks like.
people like him need to be trimmed out from any quality in esports quickly if things are to evolve into something serious. or we can keep supporting and accepting this kind of behavior when it occurs on grounds of likeability or disinterest and get stuck in the limbo of niche community plagued by lack of professionalism.
also, people who do place blame for this on the league proper have a point. NASL invited this man over many more dedicated and professional gamers to either meet their super rushed deadlines, or because he was a pretty recognizable figure in the US, or both, and all of these options are less than flattering to a league with pretentions of professionalism.
and in what sport or other starcraft league or tournament does a no-show at the start time of the match not get automatically dq and keeps the other competitor waiting for hours, that's inexcusable.
this move by PU, nasl on the whole being a moderate failure, and the fact that koreans destroyed MLG are all symptoms of the western community still taking esports as lightly as if it's supposed to still be the niche community of fans playing and casting each other casually as in bw, or playing the 5 tournaments per year of wc3, and running the joyride of sponsorships that the fans, the viewership at home, are bringing in since sc2's launch.
if people don't start practicing really seriously, organizing things properly with strong timetables and lines of communication, working on their formats to allow growth of new talent, and finding ways to punish this type of behavior displayed by PU very harshly, the bubble will burst eventually and we'll never, or significantly later, get esports to be where we dream it can be.
Come on, even though you're completely out of contention the least you can do is play a Bo3. We're talking like 1-2 hours of your time. Doesn't even show for the Emperor himself. Really bm by PainUser.
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
Does anyone know a way to give feedback to the people behind IPL so I can express my extreme disapproval of their association with Painuser and inform them that I will not be supporting any content produced by them where he is involved?
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
Does anyone know a way to give feedback to the people behind IPL so I can express my extreme disapproval of their association with Painuser and inform them that I will not be supporting any content produced by them where he is involved?
Go to the IGN Season 2 thread on the Tourneys thread and write there!
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
Does anyone know a way to give feedback to the people behind IPL so I can express my extreme disapproval of their association with Painuser and inform them that I will not be supporting any content produced by them where he is involved?
Just don't watch it.. Even make a TL thread informing of PainUsers action and encourage them to do the same thing
On June 07 2011 17:18 Quakie wrote: It's just so hard to believe that NASL have tried to contact PU for three weeks without any response? Have they tried his cell, asking him on Bnet and Skype/mail, and he ignored all this?
Yep, especially since he was at MLG columbus. Seems something very strange here.. wondering what Painuser has to say about this.
On June 07 2011 17:18 Quakie wrote: It's just so hard to believe that NASL have tried to contact PU for three weeks without any response? Have they tried his cell, asking him on Bnet and Skype/mail, and he ignored all this?
Yep, especially since he was at MLG columbus. Seems something very strange here.. wondering what Painuser has to say about this.
While strange, I don't believe it is really NASL's responsibility to contact him. He is the one suddenly dropping out, he should be the one informing NASL about his decision. Obviously, I do not even understand this decision as he is still a (pro?)gamer and NASL is excellent practice. Plus, he should be honored to play vs BoxeR. There is no excuse, and he should definitely be banned from all future NASL tournaments, no question about that.
On June 07 2011 18:51 RaiKageRyu wrote: I predicted PainUser would at least show for Boxer. Boy I was wrong. Some people would pay to play a match with Boxer.
On June 07 2011 17:18 Quakie wrote: It's just so hard to believe that NASL have tried to contact PU for three weeks without any response? Have they tried his cell, asking him on Bnet and Skype/mail, and he ignored all this?
Yep, especially since he was at MLG columbus. Seems something very strange here.. wondering what Painuser has to say about this.
I could of sworn PainUser said something on Inside the Game about this but I could be wrong. I'm 80% sure he said something though. Still pretty upsetting even if your going to lose your in a production gotta play!
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
Does anyone know a way to give feedback to the people behind IPL so I can express my extreme disapproval of their association with Painuser and inform them that I will not be supporting any content produced by them where he is involved?
This kind of reaction is almost as immature as painuser quitting nasl himself lol How ironic
On June 07 2011 10:16 ItsMeDomLee wrote: If he does this again next week to Zenio I'm boycotting IPL. Without Boxer, PainUser wouldn't even have a gig at IGN.
I wouldn't go so far as to boycott, but I highly doubt I'll watch anything PainUser commentates for a long while.
But Painuser is casting the IPL, I think he's even the main caster.
Does anyone know a way to give feedback to the people behind IPL so I can express my extreme disapproval of their association with Painuser and inform them that I will not be supporting any content produced by them where he is involved?
This kind of reaction is almost as immature as painuser quitting nasl himself lol How ironic
I don't get why that would be immature. You are just informing the organisation that their choice of employee acted in a very unprofessional manner towards another (in the same industry). He also showed a total lack of regard towards one of the founding members of ESPORTS. I think people are justified in voicing their disapproval.
On June 08 2011 00:59 Psyclon wrote: PU mentioned on Inside the Game that NASL refused to make any compromise regarding the scheduled time for the games, or sth like that.
Yeah didn't he say that since he started working for IGN his work hours conflict with the NASL schedule which they refused to change at all, so he simply can't make the games?
NASL has acted like games were going to be broadcast only to let the viewers discover that they were a w/o during the show so that fans of those players wouldn't skip out. Boxer's a big name, when interest is waning in your tourney it would be a pretty big blow if they let people know he's not going to be playing.
They haven't been the most organized bunch, I find it hard believe they haven't been able to contact Painuser at all about it
On June 08 2011 00:59 Psyclon wrote: PU mentioned on Inside the Game that NASL refused to make any compromise regarding the scheduled time for the games, or sth like that.
That is no excuse for not informing that he's forfeiting his place in the tournament AND making BoxeR wait up for him.
On June 08 2011 01:39 CryMeAReaper wrote: Nice to see ClouD take a win, this means he can still make playoffs right? thers a tie now or something?
There is an overall standing on the nasl site, so you can check that as soon as the current playing day is finished. However, the nasl is quite slow to update it, sometimes you got to wait several days after the matches have taken place.
On June 07 2011 17:18 Quakie wrote: It's just so hard to believe that NASL have tried to contact PU for three weeks without any response? Have they tried his cell, asking him on Bnet and Skype/mail, and he ignored all this?
Yep, especially since he was at MLG columbus. Seems something very strange here.. wondering what Painuser has to say about this.
I could of sworn PainUser said something on Inside the Game about this but I could be wrong. I'm 80% sure he said something though. Still pretty upsetting even if your going to lose your in a production gotta play!
Well, something in that trend, he announced that it was difficult to maintain a fulltime job and playing in the NASL, with the NASL unwilling to reschedule.
Around 4:30. So, he didn't explicitly state that he wouldn't play anymore, but you can read between the lines he basically has given up. So it's pretty unfair to NASL the way PU has handled this.
[edit] Incontrol joined later, because he had to cast NASL I think. I would've loved to hear his reaction. [/edit]
On June 08 2011 02:25 Radical wrote: I don't get how inc, gretorp, and painuser were all at MLG at the same time, yet they still had this communication problem.
Probably because Incontrol and Gretorp are just the announcers and are likely in no way involved with this aspect of the league. I'm sure all the players in the league are fully aware of the people to get in touch with if they are having issues though.
On June 08 2011 02:25 Radical wrote: I don't get how inc, gretorp, and painuser were all at MLG at the same time, yet they still had this communication problem.
Probably because Incontrol and Gretorp are just the announcers and are likely in no way involved with this aspect of the league. I'm sure all the players in the league are fully aware of the people to get in touch with if they are having issues though.
I'm assuming that's the reason as well, it's just kind of odd.
NeonPeon ignore him. He literally hates on everything the NASL does... not really a rational person in regard to the NASL.
PainUser has dropped from the NASL. I spoke with him last week @ ITG. I told him as well that it would have been much better had he just told us.. essentially what I said on air. He understands and we are all good moving forward. No real need to keep discussing this. PainUser is a good guy and he didn't do anything malicious.. just didn't handle it optimally.
Scores were being updated last night (bad on our end) so they should be done soon.
On June 08 2011 02:17 Zaqwert wrote: So have they just given up on updating the standings and records? It's been over a week.
Too busy throwing players under the bus for that
You blame the NASL for lack of professionalism from players? Amazing.
No, I blame them for pretending like Boxer was still playing Painuser and claiming that they never spoke to him when Inc just admitted they did. They did this at the expense of Painuser's character (look at the page after page of anger it generated) so that people would still tune in to see Boxer when they could have very easily announced it ahead of time. How's that for professionalism?
On June 08 2011 02:17 Zaqwert wrote: So have they just given up on updating the standings and records? It's been over a week.
Too busy throwing players under the bus for that
You blame the NASL for lack of professionalism from players? Amazing.
No, I blame them for pretending like Boxer was still playing Painuser and claiming that they never spoke to him when Inc just admitted they did. They did this at the expense of Painuser's character (look at the page after page of anger it generated) so that people would still tune in to see Boxer when they could have very easily announced it ahead of time. How's that for professionalism?
It could be that because of MLG, PainUser and Boxer were scheduled to play before Tuesday, and PainUser did no-show on Boxer without telling anyone. Then on Tuesday Inc and PU cleared things up.
The timeline is actually pretty important in terms of where the public will put blame, and it'd be nice to get clarification. Right now the default general belief seems to be what I wrote above.
Still, NASL should have said something about it on stream Sunday, as they had a few days to edit.
On June 08 2011 04:03 iNcontroL wrote: NeonPeon ignore him. He literally hates on everything the NASL does... not really a rational person in regard to the NASL.
PainUser has dropped from the NASL. I spoke with him last week @ ITG. I told him as well that it would have been much better had he just told us.. essentially what I said on air. He understands and we are all good moving forward. No real need to keep discussing this. PainUser is a good guy and he didn't do anything malicious.. just didn't handle it optimally.
Scores were being updated last night (bad on our end) so they should be done soon.
Thanks for giving us the situation update! Quick question if you have time to answer. How is the NASL going to correct this situation from happening in the future (season 2)? i.e. is the NASL going to raise the deposit amount for players or impose a penalty fee or is that kinda too far off in the future to worry about until next season? Anyway thanks for letting us know again keep of the good work at NASL!
Painuser is typical of the professional foreigner mentality - they have this exaggerated sense of entitlement and expect to be handed money and efame on a plate. The Koreans by comparison know that you only eat what you kill and this drives them to win, they don't feel they should be compensated in some tangible way for every game they play and simply enjoy the game for its own sake.
I just can't imagine a Korean player ever saying "I can't win any money from this tournemant anymore so I won't play".
I wouldn't say Painuser's typical of the professional foreigner mentality, even if he's not the first to just drop out with barely a word.
Remember for MLG DC there was a 'CauthonLuck watch' and I think one for Masq? or maybe it was Silver. Anyways there have been lots of players who just plain disappeared as the SC2 scene started maturing.
Painuser's just did his a little more, uh, ungracefully than the rest.
On June 08 2011 02:17 Zaqwert wrote: So have they just given up on updating the standings and records? It's been over a week.
Too busy throwing players under the bus for that
You blame the NASL for lack of professionalism from players? Amazing.
No, I blame them for pretending like Boxer was still playing Painuser and claiming that they never spoke to him when Inc just admitted they did. They did this at the expense of Painuser's character (look at the page after page of anger it generated) so that people would still tune in to see Boxer when they could have very easily announced it ahead of time. How's that for professionalism?
It could be that because of MLG, PainUser and Boxer were scheduled to play before Tuesday, and PainUser did no-show on Boxer without telling anyone. Then on Tuesday Inc and PU cleared things up.
The timeline is actually pretty important in terms of where the public will put blame, and it'd be nice to get clarification. Right now the default general belief seems to be what I wrote above.
Still, NASL should have said something about it on stream Sunday, as they had a few days to edit.
yeah nasl could've just said something...who even knows if he left boxer waiting at 3AM...
I love how InControls casting has improved so much. I think he's become a pretty legit caster. I like most of his analysis and even though it's not always 100% correct, it usually makes perfect sense. With a game as young as SC II and a metagame shifting as fast as ours, I think it's not even possible to call the exact strategic and especially tactic moves. Not sure about Gretorp though, even as a non native English speaker I think his vocabulary is unfortunately restricted and it really limits his casting distinctively. His analysis his actually not that bad, I appreciate a lot of his insights of the terran race, bot his offrace commentary is just odd.
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