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Titorelli
Profile Joined March 2011
2492 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4501
OMG OMG SJOW!!!! <3
"Everybody poops.... after Tasteless kills them" Artosis
Neo.NEt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States785 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4502
On June 06 2011 02:05 Flowjo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:58 SKtheAnathema wrote:
Koreans seem like they play a lot better overseas than at home... wtf? So good


It's because their opponen'ts are so much harder, so they can't afford to do what they want freely


Personally I think it's because the Foreigner players are stupid enough to try to play straight up macro games with them. I mean anypro just does 2 base timing pushes every game whereas Naniwa tries to take a third and/or a fourth base.. honorable but obviously a death wish.
Apologize.
Mallard
Profile Joined January 2010
United States129 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4503
On June 06 2011 02:05 Oscatron wrote:
mc thorzain again?

fcking sickkkk

mc vs july

mma vs idra



Extended series kind of cuts down the excitement of it though.
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4504
On June 06 2011 02:02 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:59 Senx wrote:
Naniwa doesn't play abusive enough to beat losira, he's too passive and letting losira do whatever he plans.

Yeah... did you even watch game 1? Naniwa killde a ton of drones, overlords and even 3 queens with stargate build. Np though since losira just countered it by droning hard on 3 bases.

so with 3 phoenixes(450 minerals 300 gas) and void ray(250 minerals 150 gas) he killed like 5 ovies and 3 queens, which is only like 1000 minerals, it didn't pay off at all.
Sixes
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1123 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4505
On June 06 2011 01:59 adeptz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:58 Fyzar wrote:
I'm waiting for a protoss to come up with something to deal with this lowtech, hard ''throw armies at the toss'' style.


This. Not to mention getting to that stage of being able to do that super quickly with the damn z macro mechanics... :\


The day they learn that the twilight council unlocks other options than blink we may be in trouble.

Game 1 Naniwa needed to be able to reinforce with chargelots (not slowlots) and/or have templar for storm.

Game 2 he needed to either apply pressure or go macro crazy himself. Just sitting back making a few units but not using them is never a valid option for any race.

The fact is the top level zergs can (unlike a lot of the diamond masters players) deal with colossi very well and some protoss even at the highest level are still always going for a blind colossus build.

There were no hydras to counter, immortals and zealots deal with roaches and lings respectively. Why does the toss invest so heavily in colossi ? Loisira even had a spire going down, no hydras in sight at all.

Another thing only a few toss are taking advantage of is the chronoboost on upgrades to get a hard advantage there. This is especially true when using zealots and when facing lings because of the very high return zealots get from attack upgrades and the reduction of ling attack by armor.
desty
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada142 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4506
what the fuck is happening why it isnt started yet , why are they waiting for people to sit, theres no chairs.
thefreed
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
June 05 2011 17:06 GMT
#4507
On June 06 2011 02:01 RageBot wrote:
Teamhouses own white pepole.


It's not teamhouses anymore because foreigners have teamhouses and teams too.

It's just the level of competition they're facing repeatedly to improve themselves as a player.
My country is the world, My religion is to do good. -T.P The fool doth thinks his a wise man, but the wise man knows he is a fool. -W.S
Alkior
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
543 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4508
On June 06 2011 02:06 Vathus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:05 Alkior wrote:
Wait so nani is not knocked out?

he's knocked into losers bracket now

He still has a chance to win finals right?
mistax
Profile Joined March 2011
United States415 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4509
Sjow 1-0 on moon.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4510
On June 06 2011 02:06 Vathus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:05 Alkior wrote:
Wait so nani is not knocked out?

he's knocked into losers bracket now

He will face whoever comes out of Slush/Fenix vs Haypro/Ret.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4511
On June 06 2011 02:05 Chicane wrote:
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On June 06 2011 02:03 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:02 ForTheDr3am wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:58 ptbl wrote:
The era of Zerg SC2 dominance truly starts today.


Fixed.

god knows we've earned a little dominance


Lmfao "we earned." Wtf are you talking about. You're just some guy who plays casually and who often complained about zerg on this site. The people who earned it are the pros who adapted their play to suit their race. I am glad zergs are doing well now... it's just unfortunate that the bullshit about balance never stops though.

hahahahahahhahh amen
d=(^_^)z
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4512
On June 06 2011 02:05 Neo.NEt wrote:
Hurray for Ret!

Did MC already 2-0 Thorzain or is that just from their previous series and it's going to be extended? No way Thorzain can take 4 out of 5 from MC....


Ya it's just not possible. MC will easily take the series unfortunately.
crabz
Profile Joined May 2011
227 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4513
meh standard, the same is with terran you just cant fast expo and expect to win without non stop pressure problem is zergs figured how to stop most of early attacks in the most cost effective ways while keeping to mass drones and spawn larva + 80 drones in 9th minute game>you, im expection some tweaks done to spawn larvea in the near future
kheldorin
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore539 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4514
On June 06 2011 02:05 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:03 kheldorin wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:02 Mioraka wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:00 kheldorin wrote:
On June 06 2011 01:59 Senx wrote:
Naniwa doesn't play abusive enough to beat losira, he's too passive and letting losira do whatever he plans.


All the abusive builds of Protoss are already nerfed.


By nerfed you mean completely figured out?


No nerfed, They only figured it out after it got nerfed. Which is why there is such a huge swing in the match up.

Not really, 4gate wasn't really used anymore at all, it was already a free win for zerg. Nothing else really changed.


Nope, the threat of a 4-gate is very important.
krneki
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway237 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4515
so there is about to start:

mc-thorzain
ret-haypro
mma-idra


and we wont see none of those, cuz mlg cant arrange 2 different casting teams to go get something to eat at different time???

this sucks
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4516
On June 06 2011 02:06 i4mt3hwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 02:04 Fyzar wrote:
On June 06 2011 02:03 Titorelli wrote:
What's up with all that Gretorp hate? Has he done anything bad or what?

Most people just think that there are players that deserve his spot in the pool play way, way, way more.
I must say that I'm one of them, if you see for example DeMusliM deserves to get that spot more, or someone like Axslav, MajOr etc.


He earned that spot by playing well in previous tournaments. He played like shit here because he's been casting and now will probably lose the spot. I don't see the issue. Gretorp is actually an extremely good terran, he's just been casting a lot and playing HoN and not practicing as much.


If Demuslim deserved the spot, he would've gotten into the Championship Loser's bracket at a bare minimum. Terrible example.
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4517
On June 06 2011 02:04 Heavenly wrote:
Also people who say zergs are macro monsters...mechanics in this game are NOT hard for a top tier player. IdrA doesn't even practice his mechanics because literally all you do is build overlords and drone up as much as you can while scouting for pressure. Ret also said that macro is easy (basically, people would ask him how he can make so many drones and he just said it's easy to make a ton of units). The mechanics of SC2 are so ridiculously simplified with shift-queue, inject larva, worker rallies that being a zerg "MACRO BEAST literally means nothing. Once you get your inject larva timings down and don't get supply blocked macro is not hard.

This game is almost entirely about positioning and decision making, macro almost means nothing. Such a facepalm moment when people act like someone is a macro god.

By macro monster they been how Losira stayed on the bleeding edge of economy building. He always had just enough to stay alive up until he had the economy he wanted and then he crushed through Naniwa.
LetoAtreides82
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4518
On June 06 2011 01:58 Olinim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 01:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Great game from Losira. Nani extended himself too much getting that third and got outmacrod and just outplayed the entire game.

It's outextending yourself getting a third when the zerg is getting a 5h base? when you do wait to get a third might i ask?


Protoss can never outexpand a good zerg. Protoss must pressure the zerg to control zerg's potential army size. If you let the zerg take the map you can't win no matter what your unit compositition is.
The spice must flow
mpf189
Profile Joined March 2011
332 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4519
Protoss' needs to pressure Zergs more, it will at least make the Zerg make units instead of droning up.
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
June 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#4520
JP is introducing IdrA and MMA :D
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
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