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On June 05 2011 11:29 Chainfire99 wrote: Bragging rights? It's not a fair competition. You have pro Korean players who can make a living off of competing in the game...they can afford to practice 60+ hrs a week in gaming houses with several other similarly skilled teammates and coaches overseeing everything. The majority of non-Korean "pros" aren't able to do the same. Practice and hard work is everything.
IMO the Koreans aren't dominating enough, they shouldn't lose a game EVER.
take away mbs and you'll get your domination.
Forgive my ignorance but what does mbs stand for?
Multiple Building Selection.
You know how you can grab 6 barracks at once?
In BW you couldn't do that, you had to individually click each one.
This video explains better then I could why this is Such A Big Deal:
On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote: I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time.
Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW.
In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing.
SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap.
jw but has there been a uproar caused by a foreigner taking a game off someone like Bisu/Flash/Jaedong or some BW pro?
no foreigner has beaten a legit BW pro for a long time now.
no foreigners have been playing bw in korea for a long time now
towards the no foreigner has beaten a legit BW pro for a long time now...can you remember a time that did happened and it caused a uproar?
On June 05 2011 11:32 wisedimple wrote: So what's going to happen with with Pool C? Both IdrA and MC are at 4-1; does that mean they'll be playing each other for the #1 spot?
Sorry if this was already asked in this thread, but it's kind of hard to find everything in the 800 pages of this thread
Idra finishes 1st because he won Head to Head, which is the first tiebreaker.
On June 05 2011 11:29 SpiZe wrote: I don't get the "NICE RAX" sign, anyone would care to explain?
The nice generally means kind or supportive, but in this context it's more of a 'superb' or 'great'. The rax actually refers to a basic production building in Starcraft 2 called the Barracks.
When you put these 2 together it means the Barracks they are referring to (probably one in a game played earlier) was good.
Memes, even TL ones, are annoying. Don't 1a2a3a your way to posting over 9000 memes -- we will ban you. There are plenty of places to go if you want to see posters of people failing at things or a humorous caption appended to a photograph of a cat. TeamLiquid is not one of those places.
On June 05 2011 11:32 wisedimple wrote: So what's going to happen with with Pool C? Both IdrA and MC are at 4-1; does that mean they'll be playing each other for the #1 spot?
Sorry if this was already asked in this thread, but it's kind of hard to find everything in the 800 pages of this thread
Idra gets #1 because of Head to Head, aka he won vs MC in the pool play.
On June 05 2011 11:32 wisedimple wrote: So what's going to happen with with Pool C? Both IdrA and MC are at 4-1; does that mean they'll be playing each other for the #1 spot?
Sorry if this was already asked in this thread, but it's kind of hard to find everything in the 800 pages of this thread
No, IdrA beat MC 2-0. Thus he takes the first slot.
On June 05 2011 11:32 wisedimple wrote: So what's going to happen with with Pool C? Both IdrA and MC are at 4-1; does that mean they'll be playing each other for the #1 spot?
Sorry if this was already asked in this thread, but it's kind of hard to find everything in the 800 pages of this thread
No, Idra won vs MC first game so that counts as the tie breaker
On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote: I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time.
Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW.
In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing.
SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap.
jw but has there been a uproar caused by a foreigner taking a game off someone like Bisu/Flash/Jaedong or some BW pro?
no foreigner has beaten a legit BW pro for a long time now.
Didn't Mondragon beat Jaedong in the last WCG? I can't remember if he just took 1 game or the series though.
On June 05 2011 11:21 Crumpet wrote: I personally don't think a legitimate argument can be made that Koreans are overall ahead in the starcraft 2 scene. However, it is a far cry from the dominance they held in Brood War. The matches between top tier foreigners and top tier Koreans are extremely competitive, and I believe the gap will only continue to narrow as esports grows in the west. Throwing up the series results of the koreans is a bit misleading, as many of them were extremly close series that, in my opinion, could have gone the other way a good 50% of the time.
Koreans are still far above most of the world except for a few, but it isn't like BW.
In BW, if any foreign player even took a game off someone like Bisu at an international event, it would create an uproar. Here, if someone like MC drops a series to Idra, it's not the same thing.
SC2 isn't mechanical enough for there to be such a gap.
SC2 is very mechanical, but has streamlined a lot of the mechanics associated with BW. The mechanics needed now are not identical to Brood War, they are there, but they are different.
Sure its still very mechanical, but not in comparison to its predecessor. That was the point of his post.
I understand, but I was just saying if you use BW as the baseline for what mechanics are, then yeah it needs more. But Blizzard artificially closed the gap by streamlining a lot of the mechanics that BW pros took years to develop, so their practice did not transfer over 1:1. But if you remove the BW standard and take SC2 alone, the mechanical gap could still expand just the same. I meant SC2 is just as mechanical, but the mechanics are different, and the ones in the past that made the original gap were artificially closed.
hmm lorisa is gonna smash naniwa tommorow I think( has the best PVZ is the world) and idra is barely gonna scoot by MMA for a lorisa vs Idra winners final. From there its a coinflip based on how much idra's zvz has improved since his match with zenio. Losers bracket is anyone game( ie to many high tier foreigners and Koreans)
If gretorp can win at least 1 series in the championship rounds, yes he will STILL be seeded.
..... Well that is pretty stupid.
Actually, I think he needs to win 2 series to survive. Not 100% sure, someone correct me please.
Still... 2 wins in two MLG's and you get seeded? Pathetic format. Doesn't iNcontroL have less than 45% win rate in every matchup and is seeded 4th?
He came in 4th place last MLG ...
I'm well aware.
So what's your point then? He's seeded 4th cos he got 4th. He was seeded top 16 before that because he was top 16 in points. Complain about the format all you like but iNcontroL is not a player who has been kept in the seedings despite bad results unlike Gretorp.
My point is he has a low win/loss ratio for someone who is seeded 4th. I never once said he didn't deserve the spot ffs. For a seed to be based off 1 tournament is silly when all the others have been from all the past points combined, and the amount of advantage you gain from having a seed is way too big. Once you get a seed it's harder to lose it than keep it. And really difficult for players to break into the seedings because of it.
On June 05 2011 11:02 ffadicted wrote: So at the end of championship pool play, final tally on Korea vs. The World (I've been keeping track since the start)
Moon: 3 - 2 MMA: 5 - 0 July: 4 - 0 (his loss was to a korean) MC: 4 - 1 Losira: 5 - 0
Koreans: 21 - 3
If you take into account that Moon isn't even good enough for Code A, and that MC said he was extremely jet lagged against grack, I think we can end the argument here. The gap IS huge.
Korea FIGHTIN!! ^^;
Its fun how ju count MMAs win against July but not Julys loss.... anyways 20-3 is still pretty awsome
It kinda went how it was expected to go though it went pretty awesome for the Koreans. The way I see it only 3 people at MLG (in the pool play) have a shot at taking down MMA July MC and Losira. Those 3 are Naniwa, Idra and Thorzain. Idra and Nani won there groups and Thorzain was in Idras group. Now I know other players have a shot at taking a Bo3 off of them (Sjow who should have beaten MMA and Morrow if he can get out of the Losers Bracket) but lets not pretend they sent over just anyone
MMA has possibly the best TvT in Korea and has shown that he can crush high level zergs as well. MC is the best protoss in Korea without question. Losira is probably the 2nd best zerg is korea and if hes not the 2nd best then Julyzerg is. So the only people who can beat the top koreans are the top non koreans.
a certain someone named nestea might wanna disagree with you about being the number one zerg player in Korea >=/
I didnt say number 1 for either Losira or July. I said either one of them is up for debate for being the 2nd best zerg in korea fully aware that NesTea is the best. Its hard to argue that July and Losira are the 2nd and 3rd best zergs in korea.
well, Id say that there are plenty other zergs competing over that spot aswell. SlayersMin is one
I have a feeling that the zerg player called DongRaeGu is going to pop out soon and dominate. I don't know, there's just something about his style of play that makes me feel like he's going to be one of the best zergs of the game.