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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#2201
On June 13 2011 07:51 Intricacy wrote:
MorroW is BACK online. We're setting up the game now.


Yay, now we finally can figure out how much stream delay there is!
Banelings are too cute to blow up
DeathSquire36
Profile Joined June 2011
United States167 Posts
June 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#2202
Brass quartet was a clutch move.
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
June 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#2203
On June 13 2011 07:54 ZpuX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:52 bgx wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:50 Presidenten wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:49 Mr_Shado wrote:

On June 13 2011 07:42 Sqalevon wrote:


Because he doesn't like ZvZ ?
Fair enough.

Do tournaments allow this ?
That's intresting.




NASL allows this, I saw Goody switch to protos once. Some don't cuz people prepare builds ahead of time and if your opponent switches it really screws with them.



Dreamhack allows it, big thing in favour of MorroW there


shouldnt be allowed anywhere tbh

its not like u have to know all matchups to race pick, you need to know just one and it already gives u massive advantage



Well, obviously you have to state before you enter a tournament that you are going to play ZvT ZvT and TvZ. Then everyone will know exactly what matchups to prepare for. I am all for allowing racepicking in tournaments as long as you make it clear before you enter the competition which matchups you are going to play, ie not allowing changing during the run of the tournament.


ZpuX! O_O Where have you been? XD I remember watching Zotac Cups with you back in the beta! XD
Liquid
Pwere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1557 Posts
June 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#2204
On June 13 2011 07:53 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:48 elbooN wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:43 Mailing wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:42 Sqalevon wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:41 TheBB wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:40 Sqalevon wrote:
Did Morrow switch back to Terran, or is this an one time thing ?
I just tuned in and was rather suprised.

He's apparently decided to play TvZ consistently.


Because he doesn't like ZvZ ?
Fair enough.

Do tournaments allow this ?
That's intresting.


They should allow it imo.

Being able to play more than one race competently should be an advantage that a player earns.

The whole "other player doesn't get to prepare" is a lame excuse, they should be able to play all matchups.


it shouldn't be allowed, there would be non-stop race-switching if people wanted to play a certain matchup (for example if nerchio didnt like zvt and wanted to pvt instead, but then morrow wanted to zvp, so nerchio went back to zvz....where does that stop?)


Uhm, make them pick without knowing their opponents race pick. It's not rocket science...
Or do it Street Fighter style, where only the loser can switch character.
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
June 12 2011 22:56 GMT
#2205
On June 13 2011 07:55 last.resistance wrote:
Race picking doesn't really give you an advantage though. If I play P, I need to know PvP, PvZ, PvT. If my Protoss opponent decides he doesn't like PvP and plays TvP instead, I still know how to play PvT.


It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
June 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#2206
--- Nuked ---
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
June 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#2207
On June 13 2011 07:56 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:55 last.resistance wrote:
Race picking doesn't really give you an advantage though. If I play P, I need to know PvP, PvZ, PvT. If my Protoss opponent decides he doesn't like PvP and plays TvP instead, I still know how to play PvT.


It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.

That's why GSL disallows race switching, while most other couple-day tournaments don't really care.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
June 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#2208
On June 13 2011 07:56 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:55 last.resistance wrote:
Race picking doesn't really give you an advantage though. If I play P, I need to know PvP, PvZ, PvT. If my Protoss opponent decides he doesn't like PvP and plays TvP instead, I still know how to play PvT.


It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.

Kinda similar to how in team matches a Random player completely screws over the decision of who to send out because you can't snipe them.
Intricacy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States218 Posts
June 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#2209
On June 13 2011 07:58 Sated wrote:
"No, he's platinum, he can get the hell out."

Haha.


We're rankists. <3
Axiom Founder | SHOUTcraft America Organizer | RIP TB 1984-2018
Bombmk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark95 Posts
June 12 2011 22:58 GMT
#2210
On June 13 2011 07:53 nihlon wrote:
Uhm, make them pick without knowing their opponents race pick. It's not rocket science...


Exactly. In MLGs rules it states that the players must report to the ref before each match what they will play, if I am not mistaken.

It should definately be allowed. Can't see why it should not be a tool for someone with sufficient skills in more than one race.
?
Klogbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States139 Posts
June 12 2011 22:59 GMT
#2211
On June 13 2011 07:56 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:55 last.resistance wrote:
Race picking doesn't really give you an advantage though. If I play P, I need to know PvP, PvZ, PvT. If my Protoss opponent decides he doesn't like PvP and plays TvP instead, I still know how to play PvT.


It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.


They need to prepare for all matchups, and if they are properly prepared they will know the opponent can switch races and will be prepared for that. The fact they need to learn two races should be rewarded not punished.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
June 12 2011 22:59 GMT
#2212
On June 13 2011 07:56 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:55 last.resistance wrote:
Race picking doesn't really give you an advantage though. If I play P, I need to know PvP, PvZ, PvT. If my Protoss opponent decides he doesn't like PvP and plays TvP instead, I still know how to play PvT.


It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.

Only if they don't put a time limit until they have to make their choice.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
lukec1996
Profile Joined June 2011
United States7 Posts
June 12 2011 22:59 GMT
#2213
He doesn't deserve to sleep... TB doesn't need sleep, he's superhuman.
Pochtli
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland690 Posts
June 12 2011 22:59 GMT
#2214
6 pool please! Need sleep
ㅈㅈ
!LL
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria256 Posts
June 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#2215
optimal timing by morrow i was finally able to shower in the meanwhile
<(^-^<) (>^-^)>
ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
June 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#2216
On June 13 2011 07:56 blae000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2011 07:54 ZpuX wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:52 bgx wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:50 Presidenten wrote:
On June 13 2011 07:49 Mr_Shado wrote:

On June 13 2011 07:42 Sqalevon wrote:


Because he doesn't like ZvZ ?
Fair enough.

Do tournaments allow this ?
That's intresting.




NASL allows this, I saw Goody switch to protos once. Some don't cuz people prepare builds ahead of time and if your opponent switches it really screws with them.



Dreamhack allows it, big thing in favour of MorroW there


shouldnt be allowed anywhere tbh

its not like u have to know all matchups to race pick, you need to know just one and it already gives u massive advantage



Well, obviously you have to state before you enter a tournament that you are going to play ZvT ZvT and TvZ. Then everyone will know exactly what matchups to prepare for. I am all for allowing racepicking in tournaments as long as you make it clear before you enter the competition which matchups you are going to play, ie not allowing changing during the run of the tournament.


ZpuX! O_O Where have you been? XD I remember watching Zotac Cups with you back in the beta! XD

hehe went to study in Texas for a year, but playing now again. Pretty hard to come back tho everyone got so good, and especially protoss figured out how to play against zerg, which is rather annoying.

Also, I dont know baseball, didn't get that reference. Not really sure what you were comparing with, I was just giving my opinion on why race picking should be allowed and under what circumstances to avoid people from not letting others prepare properly for a match.
Really, play for fun!
Bombmk
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark95 Posts
June 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#2217
On June 13 2011 07:56 Soap wrote:
It doesn't on a 1 day tournament beyond the first match, but on longer tournaments could completely screw the other player preparation.


And why shouldn't it - if a player has the ability to play more than one race at the necessary competetive level why should he not be allowed to leverage that for options?
?
btz_eXhausted
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden47 Posts
June 12 2011 23:00 GMT
#2218
makarax!
[RS]Fuchs
Profile Joined April 2011
76 Posts
June 12 2011 23:01 GMT
#2219
love the player names called by so else
OneRedBeard
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany313 Posts
June 12 2011 23:01 GMT
#2220
Makarax! Morrow already severely behind!
:-D
burn the land and boil the sea you can't take the sky from me
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