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Further balance whining will result in severe bans. Time stamp 21:09 KST.
DizzySheep
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1144 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2141
On May 26 2011 21:15 probablywrong wrote:
wow. MKP's GSL 2011 pattern: Runner up, ro32, Runner up, ro32. hope he breaks it this season!


He can lose this series now to break that pattern..lol j/k <3 mkp
Merkd
Profile Joined May 2011
88 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2142
Cmon MKP show em whos boss
They fill you with false hopes, they speak visions from their own minds.
GwSC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1997 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2143
Just looking at the brackets made me realize how little very good Zergs are in the GSL system. Compared to the amount of amazing Terrans and Protoss that I think could take this there is basically just Nestea and Leenock now (not balance whining, just observing).
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2144
On May 26 2011 21:15 Drazerk wrote:
Match Four will be Squirtle vs Marineking

First map will be on Metapolis

Marine king is located at the 12 o clock

While Squirtle is positioned at the 3 o clock


2:40

Nexus first for Squirtle

1 rax and no gas yet for Marine king
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2145
squirtle is a baller, was that nexus first or gate first, but either way
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2146
Ooooh 16 Nexus
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12930 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2147
He won against GuineaPig...
WriterMaru
Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2148
ace playing well.
Fruitdealer playing well, but falling aprt in the end.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
May 26 2011 12:16 GMT
#2149
These Startale protosses are greedy as hell
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2150
I can't see Squirtle winning this, but if he does, i'll maybe stop considering him overrated.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2151
Missed the first 3 sets, but glad I get to see MKP and Squirtle, one of my 2 favorite players
MLG Admin | Astro.631 NA
dokugami
Profile Joined December 2010
United States59 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2152
I still think FD lost that game when he decided he wanted to wait 100 in game seconds for his Spire to be rebuilt so he could get mutas instead of a den which takes less than half as long and would've don't a lot better against nothing but stalkers and vr when defending his last mining base.
kukarachaa
Profile Joined February 2011
United States284 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2153
On May 26 2011 21:13 VictorX wrote:
The issue isn't unit composition, greater spire snipe, etc.etc.etc.etc.

The difference is the mindset between the two players.

When fruitdealer lost his 4th base he didn't retake it until after he realized he isn't winning the game easily. He had BroodLords AND a roach ball and with this total map dominance did not bother to take a 5th or 6th base. He didn't even bother to shat creep over the enemy's expansions. FD was playing for the BroodLord push, he had no plans post-BL push. He didn't even use that excess gas to make a mass of burrowable versatile infestors, instead he made panic-speedlings/spines, which ultimately mineral-starved him

When Ace saw the BroodLord push he immediately moved to secure additional bases for a base-trade scenario. He moves his whole army up and around the top, knowing that if he sweeps FD's expansions, he has a chance of victory, especially since he killed the spire and has trump voidrays. He sunk all his excess gas into high templar, because in any low econ situation, caster units are good to have

Ace played for the long term advantage, FD played for the immediate advantage. This difference was the game. GG

his 4rth got sniped 2 or 3 times by a small force of stalkers + zealots
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 12:18:11
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2154
On May 26 2011 21:14 JayKayJK wrote:
Did I just hear "Startale Squirt-Lee?"

Wow.

I was always laughing a little bit inside when I heard Squirtles name until someone told me it's a pokemon xD

Man, games like the last one hurt so much when you are a FD fan - that is typical fruitdealer
realstarcrafter
Profile Joined March 2011
92 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2155
On May 26 2011 21:15 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 21:12 SenorChang wrote:
On May 26 2011 21:10 Alpina wrote:
On May 26 2011 20:47 HolyArrow wrote:
On May 26 2011 20:44 Alpina wrote:
On May 26 2011 20:42 Yaotzin wrote:
Phew Zergs back to balance whining, all is well in the world again.


Say what FD could have done? I don't see you can defend vs. this well executed all-in


Right, it's a completely flawless strategy that always wins. Don't be ridiculous. I'm so sick of seeing people coming in and going "OKAY THEN, WHAT COULD HE HAVE DONE?!" while throwing up their hands in desperation with tears rolling down their faces. Look at Nestea's ZvP winrate: 85%. Or Losira's: 72%. They must be doing something right to be defeating Toss players with such consistency. Try using your brain for once.


Lol your argument is so good. "This all-in is ok, because Nestea has 85% win rate". Do you even read what you write? What does nestea has to do here at all lol?

I think his other point has merit, before claiming imbalance, just look at the possibilities that exist. There is almost always a way to deal with something, don't let frustration blind you.


I am not frustrated, I just often see zerg being crushed by this all-in and don't really see how can you defend that.

It's still sad when you see someone tried everything they can to specifically stop that right from the start of the game and still failed.
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2156
Isnt that BW player s2 and not Ace in that picture lol?
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 12:18:15
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2157
lol is it difficult to punish a nexus first toss as terran?
Look at MC 1gate expo?
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
May 26 2011 12:17 GMT
#2158
On May 26 2011 21:16 maryelizbethwinstead wrote:
I hope MKP doesn't get overconfident, Squirtle is a lot better than advertised.

MKP, kill him quick


Lol no way. I'm sure he watched all his games and he knows what Squirtle is capable of.
There's no way he's going into this thinking it's gonna be a walkover.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
May 26 2011 12:18 GMT
#2159
On May 26 2011 21:16 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 21:15 Drazerk wrote:
Match Four will be Squirtle vs Marineking

First map will be on Metapolis

Marine king is located at the 12 o clock

While Squirtle is positioned at the 3 o clock


2:40

Nexus first for Squirtle

1 rax and no gas yet for Marine king


5:20

Expansion for Marine king has finished

Squirtle now getting warp gate research
Shooks
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-26 12:18:50
May 26 2011 12:18 GMT
#2160
On May 26 2011 21:12 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2011 21:11 Shooks wrote:
On May 26 2011 21:07 habeck wrote:
Imbalanced meta, the only thing which let ace win was Blink...


Or superior decision making? The decisions he made that game can easily be compared to Nestea's in he's match vs SC.

And people are still calling the matchup imba even after all the results? Lol.


I wouldn't necessarily call it superior decision making. There was really only one choice he could legitimately make.. which was to kill off fruit dealer's mining bases. Any other choice would have resulted in him losing and almost any pro protoss, in his situation, would likely make that one given they have the tech to blink stalkers to allow for mobility and the ability to avoid an engagement head-on with the opponents army.

I would just call it good use of blink.


Actually, he had a few choices to make. Most Protoss players would just try defend, and I'm sure he would have as well, but he saw FDs army and didn't see 1 anti air unit and instantly decided to counter attack while killing the broods with he's VR, while making a base on the high ground so he could cannon the small choke.

He completely outplayed FD there's no doubt, FD needed Infestors, you need infestors in general vs that mass blink army..Pretty sure every zerg should know that by now..I guess not.
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