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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
May 22 2011 04:11 GMT
#781
On May 22 2011 13:09 hugedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:03 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:02 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:58 hugedong wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:55 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:54 Figgy wrote:
MC's micro is horrible, the korean lag is really showing here. Makes me sad.


Stop with the excuses, he was outplayed.


That was a completely micro oriented situation. No outplaying happened.


He out microed him, thus he outplayed him. MC choose the strategy, he only has himself to blame, not lag.

It's pvp, every strategy requires micro.


All I'm hearing is excuse after excuse.

If you are trying to say hasuobs is a better player than mc, then you are just wrong.


First game, yeah he was, second game, no, Third game remains to be seen.

But still the lag excuse gets old.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Clog
Profile Joined January 2011
United States950 Posts
May 22 2011 04:12 GMT
#782
On May 22 2011 13:09 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:08 godemperor wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:04 DoomsVille wrote:
How can people say it's lag issues for MC? I mean Ace doesn't seem to have any problems playing on NA. In fact the majority of the koreans are doing extremely well in NASL.

I think the bigger issue is MC is taking NASL too lightly. He probably doesn't prepare anything specific for the games or review anything about his opponents. I bet his cockiness is what is holding him back.

The problem with lag is it varies, sometimes its really bad and other time not as much, but there definitely at least 1 sec delay. Also koreans doing well does not equal no lag, it just means some koreans are doing well despite lag. The fact there is a big discrepency between koreans offline events and onlines one just proves this problem. Lag is unfortunate but ineviatable. MC shoudl have chosen a less micro intensive attack, but then again pvp is the most micro intensive of all the match ups.


It varies when the Korean loses, it was extremely laggy, when the Korean wins, the lag was fine.


Having lag doesn't mean its impossible to win

Not much point in pointing out the fact that MC's forcefields were a tad late (probably lag-oriented) in the initial engagement there in game 2 when he ended up winning anyway.
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StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
May 22 2011 04:12 GMT
#783
OMG NASL Finals starts on my birthday!
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
May 22 2011 04:12 GMT
#784
I want to take a minute to say...

Gretorp and inControl have really come into their own as a casting duo. They're really entertaining, informative, and work together well.
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
May 22 2011 04:12 GMT
#785
I'd go to NASL finals if I was close enough
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
May 22 2011 04:12 GMT
#786
On May 22 2011 13:09 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:08 godemperor wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:04 DoomsVille wrote:
How can people say it's lag issues for MC? I mean Ace doesn't seem to have any problems playing on NA. In fact the majority of the koreans are doing extremely well in NASL.

I think the bigger issue is MC is taking NASL too lightly. He probably doesn't prepare anything specific for the games or review anything about his opponents. I bet his cockiness is what is holding him back.

The problem with lag is it varies, sometimes its really bad and other time not as much, but there definitely at least 1 sec delay. Also koreans doing well does not equal no lag, it just means some koreans are doing well despite lag. The fact there is a big discrepency between koreans offline events and onlines one just proves this problem. Lag is unfortunate but ineviatable. MC shoudl have chosen a less micro intensive attack, but then again pvp is the most micro intensive of all the match ups.


It varies when the Korean loses, it was extremely laggy, when the Korean wins, the lag was fine.

Sounds like someone has not forgiven kr's bw dominance and is currently hating on all the koreans now that the stage is bit more balanced, no point arguing with someone whos opinion is set in stone, i guess.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#787
Everyone complaining about who's better, MC or Hasuobs.... There's a reason they play more than a best of 1. No one is perfect. MC is allowed to drop a game if he's outplayed. He has lost games before.
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#788
On May 22 2011 13:08 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:04 DoomsVille wrote:
How can people say it's lag issues for MC? I mean Ace doesn't seem to have any problems playing on NA. In fact the majority of the koreans are doing extremely well in NASL.

I think the bigger issue is MC is taking NASL too lightly. He probably doesn't prepare anything specific for the games or review anything about his opponents. I bet his cockiness is what is holding him back.

The problem with lag is it varies, sometimes its really bad and other time not as much, but there definitely at least 1 sec delay. Also koreans doing well does not equal no lag, it just means some koreans are doing well despite lag. The fact there is a big discrepency between koreans offline events and onlines one just proves this problem. Lag is unfortunate but ineviatable. MC shoudl have chosen a less micro intensive attack, but then again pvp is the most micro intensive of all the match ups.

Do you know how long 1 sec is? Its way less than 1sec delay.
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Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
May 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#789
If lag matters at all it's going to matter most in PvP.
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
May 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#790
I can say for sure that there is nowhere near a full 1 second delay, noone who has ever played an online game that actually had 1 second of lag could ever argue that by looking at the games.
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dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
May 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#791
On May 22 2011 13:08 iNcontroL wrote:
@daemonjr if it was the nasl fault don't you think the issue would be widespread? Do you think it makes sense that of some 20k you are the only one with a proble
But somehow it is the nasl's fault?


He was just asking if anyone was having the same problem and trying to figure out why it's happening since he thought he was doing everything right. Do you have any suggestions or ideas to help him?
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Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#792
On May 22 2011 13:12 Mordiford wrote:
I want to take a minute to say...

Gretorp and inControl have really come into their own as a casting duo. They're really entertaining, informative, and work together well.

Agreed. Not sure if I love or hate Gretorp's awkwardness though But they really are rocking it up, especially compared to at the start.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-22 04:15:47
May 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#793
On May 22 2011 13:11 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:09 hugedong wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:03 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:02 Yaotzin wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:58 hugedong wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:55 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:54 Figgy wrote:
MC's micro is horrible, the korean lag is really showing here. Makes me sad.


Stop with the excuses, he was outplayed.


That was a completely micro oriented situation. No outplaying happened.


He out microed him, thus he outplayed him. MC choose the strategy, he only has himself to blame, not lag.

It's pvp, every strategy requires micro.


All I'm hearing is excuse after excuse.

If you are trying to say hasuobs is a better player than mc, then you are just wrong.


First game, yeah he was, second game, no, Third game remains to be seen.

But still the lag excuse gets old.


I don't understand this type of argument. Sure, you judge a player's performance in each game, but there's also a player history, which tells you who is better.

Overall, MC is the better player, by far, even if he loses.
Messi had a terrible WC with argentina, doesn't make him stop being the best player in the world, even if some players had a better tournament.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#794
MC doing the inca build! hidden expo on the east of terminus.
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Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
May 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#795
Wooooooooo boy MC taking a hidden expo
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
May 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#796
On May 22 2011 13:13 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Everyone complaining about who's better, MC or Hasuobs.... There's a reason they play more than a best of 1. No one is perfect. MC is allowed to drop a game if he's outplayed. He has lost games before.

Do not forget, MC lost 2-0 vs polt. Out of the top 3 progamers, MC is definitely the most inconsistent (even though mvp did drop to code a)
kruzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada81 Posts
May 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#797
nice observer snipe!
You're a cantaloupe!
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
May 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#798
Hidden expo and snipes Hasu's obs, oooh.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
May 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#799
On May 22 2011 13:12 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:09 Pajegetc wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:08 godemperor wrote:
On May 22 2011 13:04 DoomsVille wrote:
How can people say it's lag issues for MC? I mean Ace doesn't seem to have any problems playing on NA. In fact the majority of the koreans are doing extremely well in NASL.

I think the bigger issue is MC is taking NASL too lightly. He probably doesn't prepare anything specific for the games or review anything about his opponents. I bet his cockiness is what is holding him back.

The problem with lag is it varies, sometimes its really bad and other time not as much, but there definitely at least 1 sec delay. Also koreans doing well does not equal no lag, it just means some koreans are doing well despite lag. The fact there is a big discrepency between koreans offline events and onlines one just proves this problem. Lag is unfortunate but ineviatable. MC shoudl have chosen a less micro intensive attack, but then again pvp is the most micro intensive of all the match ups.


It varies when the Korean loses, it was extremely laggy, when the Korean wins, the lag was fine.

Sounds like someone has not forgiven kr's bw dominance and is currently hating on all the koreans now that the stage is bit more balanced, no point arguing with someone whos opinion is set in stone, i guess.


I actually haven't watch any BW,

I'm just sick of the Korean Bias, Korean wins, OMG THEY ARE SO AWESOME. Foreigner wins, OMG LAG IS TEH SUCK. We play the same damn game people.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
May 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#800
On May 22 2011 13:04 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2011 13:03 daemonjr wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:59 Moonwrath wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:58 daemonjr wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:50 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 22 2011 12:47 daemonjr wrote:
I am logged in 1080p high stream and payed, but still getting adds, anyone else having this problem?

never had that happen

Im gonna flip out. I mean I am watching 1080 and if I'm not mistaken the only way to get 1080 is to pay for the stream, SO WHY WOULD THEY HAVE ADDS enabled for this stream? Not to mention being logged in, man NASL just continues to be a failure for me. First 5 weeks lag issues, now that it seems to be running good I am getting blasted with adds.

oh no, you have to watch an ad instead of a timer countdown for 1 minute in between games.

yes oh no, I paid for the right not to have to sit through it.

I am watching it through the TeamLiquid Link, I have logged out and back of justin.tv, made sure that my browser remembers me, this happened to me last night as well so Im not sure whats going on.


I'd try to watch via JTV or right on nasl.tv. Those are my only ideas.

Do you use firefox? There's some mozilla.com extensions/add ons you can download from ( These are the featured ones/official )
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/featured
That should help you with whatever issue you had before, just find the ones you need.
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