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Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
May 19 2011 13:15 GMT
#3841
To be honest, DRG lost because he didn't upgrade his mutas. With so many, he could have denied any expos and took on whole armies if they were upgraded. By the end, 6 marines were taking out 10 mutas with medivac support. That's too much gas to be throwing away vs. marines.
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
May 19 2011 13:15 GMT
#3842
On May 19 2011 22:13 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:08 Fionn wrote:
MMA is the most clutch team league player ever. Has won in ace matches now against MC, SC, DRG, and MVP. Impressive list.


MMA the 2008-2009 Leta of SC2. Ace match bonjwa, individual league fail.

i think i remember him taking a july game too.. can anyone confirm?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 19 2011 13:15 GMT
#3843
The last game is worth the 5$ ticket alone.
I'd kill to get that replay, oh god that game, that game....
EpiK-J
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia78 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3844
On May 19 2011 22:13 Archvil3 wrote:
A really well played finals that I think MMA won for a number of reasons.

To begin with DongRaeGu got ahead when MMA let him take 3 bases and fully saturate them as well. He was in a winning position untill he a-moved his huge army into siege tanks. He should have been more active with his mutas to take out siege tanks before rolling in with lings. He would have won the game right there if he had slightly reduced the number of siege tanks. Throughout the rest of the game DRG had a good bunch of mutas that I felt he could get a bit more value of. Again sniping a bit more siege tanks or whatever he could pick off would put him ahead and have his lings do more damage. It may have been nerves though, flying mutas over enemy territory can be fatal if missmicroed for a second so I think he didnt want to risk it. Besides that I think they both played phenomenaly especialy considering it was an ace match of the finals where nerves could get really bad.


TLDR version (which may or maynot be mention int he above)

1. Losing that clutch battle where he had an overhwlming size army.
2. No upgrading
3. Keyborad failure. (biggest reason imo. His play was so clean and crisp beforehand)
SavageReborn
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia106 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3845
I ahve a physics test tomorrow that I have to pass to pass my uni unit. BUT THIS WAS WORTH IT.
Savage1 on irc.rizon.net || UWA Anime Club: www.uwanime.org
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3846
We should all petition Day9 to do a daily on this game... if only there were replays...
pirates
Profile Joined October 2010
United States701 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3847
On May 19 2011 22:13 Djagulingu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:12 link0 wrote:
3-3 marines and 2-0 tanks vs 0-1 lings/blings. DRG pwned himself when he was miles ahead.

I am pretty sure that they were 1-1, but yes, inferior upgrades costed DRG the game.


DRG's lings were 2 attck 1 armor but the tanks were +2 attack for MOST of the game and he finished +3 by the end. It is a huge difference having a +1 armor above the tanks because then Tanks dont one-shot Lings. The fact that tanks were splattering clutters of banes/lings was a BIG factor in why DRG lost a lot of those battles so badly.
Samhax
Profile Joined August 2010
1054 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3848
On May 19 2011 22:13 Archvil3 wrote:
A really well played finals that I think MMA won for a number of reasons.

To begin with DongRaeGu got ahead when MMA let him take 3 bases and fully saturate them as well. He was in a winning position untill he a-moved his huge army into siege tanks. He should have been more active with his mutas to take out siege tanks before rolling in with lings. He would have won the game right there if he had slightly reduced the number of siege tanks. Throughout the rest of the game DRG had a good bunch of mutas that I felt he could get a bit more value of. Again sniping a bit more siege tanks or whatever he could pick off would put him ahead and have his lings do more damage. It may have been nerves though, flying mutas over enemy territory can be fatal if missmicroed for a second so I think he didnt want to risk it. Besides that I think they both played phenomenaly especialy considering it was an ace match of the finals where nerves could get really bad.


MMA was all over the place with his drops, that's why DRG couldn't use his mutas more. He had to defend...
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3849
Besides MMA, Frozen was the MVP for the series.

His out-of-this-world snipe took out MVP's second best player and then he destroyed Violet, one of MVP's Code S players. If he didn't show up, MVP probably rolls over them if MMA can't win a few in a row.

Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3850
Doa/moletrap do a fine job, but this is the finals and you should bring out the big guns for them. It's weird to see Tastosis only cast terrible games while the Code A casters get all the amazing finals.
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 13:17:24
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3851
On May 19 2011 22:14 Fubi wrote:
I don't think DRG is as good as Nestea, at least not yet.

So far, DRG only showed this one incredibly powerful early defense into high-econ muta harass + Banelings that just seems unbeatable by Terrans atm (well unless DRG hands out 30 banelings for free like he did). But DRG still has yet to show me the level of depth and reactionary skills that Nestea has.


I believe DRG to have better macro than any other zerg. He doesn't skip a beat. If you watched his stream he could also see he's not like any other zerg. I wouldn't put him above nestea just because of experience and maybe some micro/overeager issues. With time though, he'll pass them!
Insipidity
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore48 Posts
May 19 2011 13:16 GMT
#3852
On May 19 2011 22:12 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:08 sagdashin wrote:
Thorzain vs fruitdealer (TSL3)

Nestea vs Sc (GSL)

and

MMA vs DRG (GSTL)

Best TvZ's to date in sc2!


Thorzain FD does not belong in the discussion.

I think FD TOP may qualify though.


Don't forget BratOk VS DarkForce...
R_247
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden10 Posts
May 19 2011 13:17 GMT
#3853
Epic final, especially that last game!!
Grate production as always GSL, thanks <3
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
May 19 2011 13:17 GMT
#3854
On May 19 2011 22:16 EpiK-J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 22:13 Archvil3 wrote:
A really well played finals that I think MMA won for a number of reasons.

To begin with DongRaeGu got ahead when MMA let him take 3 bases and fully saturate them as well. He was in a winning position untill he a-moved his huge army into siege tanks. He should have been more active with his mutas to take out siege tanks before rolling in with lings. He would have won the game right there if he had slightly reduced the number of siege tanks. Throughout the rest of the game DRG had a good bunch of mutas that I felt he could get a bit more value of. Again sniping a bit more siege tanks or whatever he could pick off would put him ahead and have his lings do more damage. It may have been nerves though, flying mutas over enemy territory can be fatal if missmicroed for a second so I think he didnt want to risk it. Besides that I think they both played phenomenaly especialy considering it was an ace match of the finals where nerves could get really bad.


TLDR version (which may or maynot be mention int he above)

1. Losing that clutch battle where he had an overhwlming size army.
2. No upgrading
3. Keyborad failure. (biggest reason imo. His play was so clean and crisp beforehand)


he lost it right before the keyboard failure. right before the pause was when MMA took control of the game and never made a large enough mistake to get DRG win it back.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
May 19 2011 13:17 GMT
#3855
How come someone who plays like MMA in team leagues can fail to GSL Code A against foreigner or even put himself in similar position? I just can't understand that. :/

Anyway

I NEEDED CIGARETTE AFTER THIS GAME
HOLY CHECK
!!!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 19 2011 13:17 GMT
#3856
DRG really threw away that game. He was massively ahead all he had to do was defend a little bit and get double evo going into hive, instead he threw away his entire army into the sieged position of MMA and lost an attrition battle afterwards.
Not that great a game imo.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
May 19 2011 13:18 GMT
#3857
You know one thing this casting pair has going for them is heart. They may not have the brains or wit of Tastosis, but they sure aren't afraid to show enthusiasm. It's in those heart-gripping moments like the DRG/MMA game that they win you over with their sincerity.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
May 19 2011 13:18 GMT
#3858
GSTL is always better than GSL because the teams can make choices on who to send out after someone loses. In a BO9 in GSL, someone might just suck 1 day and lose 5-0, or maybe he sucks in that particular matchup. In GSTL, they can decide whos the best person to take on their next opponent.

Violet gave up the lead for clan MVP because that allowed SlayerS to get the final pick going into the last match. Not only that, MMA was also fresh off the bench and ready to go while DRG had to go through 1 player already
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4275 Posts
May 19 2011 13:18 GMT
#3859
On May 19 2011 21:59 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 21:57 papaz wrote:
On May 19 2011 21:56 Mojar wrote:
Also TASTOSIS SHOULD HAVE CASTED THIS FUCKING HELL!!


THIS

the best final ever,

one of the worst casts ever by commentators.

Sorry Doa and Moletrap but you guys were screaming like 5 year olds, one trying to yell louder than the other.


Yeah cauz Korean casters dont shout non stop.


Different thing. There were a lot of times in the last game where doa and moletrap were trying to yell on top of each other.....nothing to do with the excitement from the korean commentators.....they were dual "solocasting" lol....I believe that was the pont of the poster and not the fact that they were excited.

And yes....dual scream bad....scream one at the time good ^^
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
twiitar
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany372 Posts
May 19 2011 13:18 GMT
#3860
On May 19 2011 22:01 Bart wrote:
Epic game.

WHY IS GSTL FINAL SO MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER THAN GSL FINAL?????

Because a single guy can't cheese his way through to the top, you need to have a good game plan prepared for each and every potential matchup, have a lot of depth in your team and raise the general level of the team's playing qualities a lot higher as opposed to having one or two aces and the rest is substandard.
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