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deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 09:46 GMT
#4741
On December 09 2011 18:45 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:44 Shikyo wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:43 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:39 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:35 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:33 deafhobbit wrote:
For sc2 fans - fast 4 gas from zerg like this generally indicates that the zerg wants to play defensive and get hive.

(hopefully actions gets lurkers instead of queens this game).


why would he get queens in zvp.

really not that useful. - -


I don't know, but he did in SPL finals vs some SKT toss (not bisu or best). He was on 4 base, dug in and looking good, but when the P moves out to attack the main he walks right in since ensnare kinda blows.


ensare is very rarely used though unless your zero as the other guy pointed out lol


Which makes his decision to do it all the more stupid. Thats what I'm saying.


yup, but that's the thing you cannot rely on just lurkers. JD was too late to the dance against BeSt and CH followed suit. s;

Lurker/ling camp until Defiler is like the most standard ZvP


precisely. he made no mention of our good friend defilers though. That's what I was trying to get at. D=


Defilers or no defilers, i think we can all agree that building queens instead of lurkers is fucking stupid in ZvP.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
undyinglight
Profile Joined December 2008
United States611 Posts
December 09 2011 09:46 GMT
#4742
Are the vods up for SC2 finals?
Rise Up!
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
December 09 2011 09:47 GMT
#4743
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?
$♥$
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#4744
On December 09 2011 18:46 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:45 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:44 Shikyo wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:43 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:39 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:35 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:33 deafhobbit wrote:
For sc2 fans - fast 4 gas from zerg like this generally indicates that the zerg wants to play defensive and get hive.

(hopefully actions gets lurkers instead of queens this game).


why would he get queens in zvp.

really not that useful. - -


I don't know, but he did in SPL finals vs some SKT toss (not bisu or best). He was on 4 base, dug in and looking good, but when the P moves out to attack the main he walks right in since ensnare kinda blows.


ensare is very rarely used though unless your zero as the other guy pointed out lol


Which makes his decision to do it all the more stupid. Thats what I'm saying.


yup, but that's the thing you cannot rely on just lurkers. JD was too late to the dance against BeSt and CH followed suit. s;

Lurker/ling camp until Defiler is like the most standard ZvP


precisely. he made no mention of our good friend defilers though. That's what I was trying to get at. D=


Defilers or no defilers, i think we can all agree that building queens instead of lurkers is fucking stupid in ZvP.


Yup. I just edited my post to mention when to get mutalisks as well based off the composition too s;
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#4745
On December 09 2011 18:42 Brutus wrote:
I hope someone can help me understand it since I know shit about BW.

Didn't Zerg have a decent lead? He denied the third for a long time, and I saw corsairs getting destroyed by scourge. But all of the sudden, Bisu had a supply lead and he had won the air battle. What was the tipping point in this game?

Greedy play from zerg wasn't able to hold off protoss aggression. Nowadays, a lot of zergs go for quick 4 bases and turtle to hive tech. If they manage to survive till their hive tech kicks in, zerg tends to be almost unstoppable because they've been powering their economy the entire game. However, this greedy style of play makes them highly vulnerable in the midgame since they don't create an army capable of dealing with the protoss ball and instead just try to rely on static defense.

Here's a game where the zerg manages to successfully execute this strategy:
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
December 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#4746
Flash better show me a good game or I will rage so hard. Go go go Flash!
Terran
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:48 GMT
#4747
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


Get inside the coaches head. A lot of their moves are questionable. Once you've seen enough matches you get an idea based off the maps and their craziness o;
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:50:15
December 09 2011 09:49 GMT
#4748
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


honestly, if flash is going our 4th, Stats will be 3rd, and he has a good chance against Fantasy. if SKT is smart, they'll save Fantasy for set 5, because there's no way KT would ever wait till then to play Flash or Stats, and he can take anyone else on KT ezpz.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:49 GMT
#4749
Game 3 starting!
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 09 2011 09:49 GMT
#4750
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?

I just think that Flash is more likely to play on either Ground Zero or Sniper Ridge (the maps for the 4th and 5th set respectively).
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 09 2011 09:50 GMT
#4751
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


Generally players are tied to certain maps because it's more efficient on practicing. In this case, the next map is Outlier, a supposedly heavily favored P map. KT has a strong Protoss player called Stats; it is likely he is the one who is being sent out here instead of Flash.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
December 09 2011 09:51 GMT
#4752
he threw so many lings away one at a time....
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:51 GMT
#4753
KT send out Stats!
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 09 2011 09:51 GMT
#4754
Funny how the replay had different colors.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 09 2011 09:51 GMT
#4755
Well, Outlier seems like an amazing map for Flash and Ground Zero seems alot worse, so I think that they will send flash on Ground Zero.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:52 GMT
#4756
On December 09 2011 18:51 Shikyo wrote:
Well, Outlier seems like an amazing map for Flash and Ground Zero seems alot worse, so I think that they will send flash on Ground Zero.



Still more P's sent out than not.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 09 2011 09:52 GMT
#4757
ugh so many PvZs

We might not even get to see Flash play.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:52 GMT
#4758
SKT send out SoO!
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:54:04
December 09 2011 09:53 GMT
#4759
On December 09 2011 18:51 TheBanana wrote:
Funny how the replay had different colors.


Random colors remain random in replays, though it's possible to force them to change as an observer. Remember, BW was not build to be an esport, and not nearly as much info is available to obs's. Even the supply and resource counts are done by OGN software, the game doesn't do that.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 09:54:31
December 09 2011 09:53 GMT
#4760
On December 09 2011 18:52 DarkMatter_ wrote:
ugh so many PvZs

We might not even get to see Flash play.


Both players are good in this matchup. It should be close and Outlier is supposedly a strong Protoss map.
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