EPTWCG 2011 Grand Finals - Page 239
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StarStruck
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:48 StarStruck wrote: Get inside the coaches head. A lot of their moves are questionable. Once you've seen enough matches you get an idea based off the maps and their craziness o; Try and get into January's head. | ||
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hansel01
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:51 TheBanana wrote: Funny how the replay had different colors.  sometimes when the default colors are too similar, they will change them to red and yellow. They can not change them for the replay however. | ||
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hmsrenown
Canada1263 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:54 StarStruck wrote: Yeah, hoping Stats wins so we can see Fantasy versus Flash! :D Honestly, i doubt this will happen. SKT knows that there's no way KT waits till set 5 to send out flash, so they'll feed him a noob and have Fantasy clean up whoever they send out in set 5. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
That's pretty easy. Roll a 6 faces dice, if 6, do something that makes sense, if 1, put a random rookie in ace match. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
No one wants to do that! Khan PROTOSSES HWAITING! ._. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote: If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible? "early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible. | ||
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Snipinpanda
United States1227 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote: If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible? FFE is considered a "standard" build. What this means is that any type of response done by zerg is playable against as Protoss. However, if you really want to know, there are ling all-in, hydra all-ins that can be done. At the pro level, you're most likely going to see hydra all-ins. What's crazy is that this threat is large enough, faking a hydra all-in is a legitimate strategy as well. Well scouted though, Protoss can block all of these. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:57 deafhobbit wrote: "early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible. Hydra busts are pretty good though. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:57 deafhobbit wrote: "early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible. hydra busts are the most common and they are very effective. | ||
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Devolved
United States2753 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:55 deafhobbit wrote: Honestly, i doubt this will happen. SKT knows that there's no way KT waits till set 5 to send out flash, so they'll feed him a noob and have Fantasy clean up whoever they send out in set 5. What does it matter if they wait till set 5 or not considering they already lost the first two. This game, game 4, and game 5 all hold the same importance for KT. Lose 1 and you're dead. Doesn't matter if it's the 5th or the 4th game. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote: If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible? You don't. Protoss is going to FFE every game, nothing to do about it. There are opportunities for early aggression: you can try to run lings through the wall (the spacing between buildings id weird in bw), you can try to break it with hydralisks before the protoss gets storm, or in rare cases, you can go for fast drops into the main. But no matter what you do, the FFE is safe if done right. | ||
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
I guess i consider them more a longer term response, because they can't actually stop a FFE. Though in hindsight, i suppose they could be said to "punish" one, though since the build is so ubiquitous that term seems inappropriate. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:58 ceaRshaf wrote: There was a time when destructible rocks were mighty temples. Then they got downgraded. :D Chronological order man! It makes sense! | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On December 09 2011 18:58 Devolved wrote: What does it matter if they wait till set 5 or not considering they already lost the first two. This game, game 4, and game 5 all hold the same importance for KT. Lose 1 and you're dead. Doesn't matter if it's the 5th or the 4th game. On a team with only two great players, the order in which you play them matters a lot. Also, teams rarely rearrange their player orders, since you have to practice so much on a map to stand a chance when the other guy has been playing on it exclusively all week. | ||
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