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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:54 GMT
#4761
Yeah, hoping Stats wins so we can see Fantasy versus Flash! :D
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 09 2011 09:54 GMT
#4762
On December 09 2011 18:48 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


Get inside the coaches head. A lot of their moves are questionable. Once you've seen enough matches you get an idea based off the maps and their craziness o;


Try and get into January's head.

WriterXiao8~~
hansel01
Profile Joined December 2011
47 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4763
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?
theBizness
Profile Joined July 2011
United States696 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4764
Is it weird that I find BW more enjoyable now after not following it very closely for a while?
Less money for casters, more money for players.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4765
On December 09 2011 18:51 TheBanana wrote:
Funny how the replay had different colors.


sometimes when the default colors are too similar, they will change them to red and yellow. They can not change them for the replay however.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4766
Haha, the not-so-chintoss.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4767
On December 09 2011 18:54 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, hoping Stats wins so we can see Fantasy versus Flash! :D


Honestly, i doubt this will happen. SKT knows that there's no way KT waits till set 5 to send out flash, so they'll feed him a noob and have Fantasy clean up whoever they send out in set 5.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4768
On December 09 2011 18:54 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:48 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


Get inside the coaches head. A lot of their moves are questionable. Once you've seen enough matches you get an idea based off the maps and their craziness o;


Try and get into January's head.


That's pretty easy.
Roll a 6 faces dice, if 6, do something that makes sense, if 1, put a random rookie in ace match.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:55 GMT
#4769
On December 09 2011 18:54 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:48 StarStruck wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:47 Devolved wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:41 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Uh oh, I think Flash is supposed to go out on the 4th set but KT might already lose by then.

How would you know when Flash is supposed to go out?


Get inside the coaches head. A lot of their moves are questionable. Once you've seen enough matches you get an idea based off the maps and their craziness o;


Try and get into January's head.



No one wants to do that!

Khan PROTOSSES HWAITING! ._.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 09:57 GMT
#4770
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


"early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
Snipinpanda
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1227 Posts
December 09 2011 09:57 GMT
#4771
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


FFE is considered a "standard" build. What this means is that any type of response done by zerg is playable against as Protoss.

However, if you really want to know, there are ling all-in, hydra all-ins that can be done. At the pro level, you're most likely going to see hydra all-ins. What's crazy is that this threat is large enough, faking a hydra all-in is a legitimate strategy as well. Well scouted though, Protoss can block all of these.
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 09 2011 09:57 GMT
#4772
On December 09 2011 18:57 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


"early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible.

Hydra busts are pretty good though.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:57 GMT
#4773
On December 09 2011 18:57 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


"early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible.


hydra busts are the most common and they are very effective.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
December 09 2011 09:58 GMT
#4774
On December 09 2011 18:55 deafhobbit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:54 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, hoping Stats wins so we can see Fantasy versus Flash! :D


Honestly, i doubt this will happen. SKT knows that there's no way KT waits till set 5 to send out flash, so they'll feed him a noob and have Fantasy clean up whoever they send out in set 5.

What does it matter if they wait till set 5 or not considering they already lost the first two. This game, game 4, and game 5 all hold the same importance for KT. Lose 1 and you're dead. Doesn't matter if it's the 5th or the 4th game.
$♥$
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
December 09 2011 09:58 GMT
#4775
There was a time when destructible rocks were mighty temples. Then they got downgraded. :D
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
December 09 2011 09:58 GMT
#4776
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


You don't. Protoss is going to FFE every game, nothing to do about it. There are opportunities for early aggression: you can try to run lings through the wall (the spacing between buildings id weird in bw), you can try to break it with hydralisks before the protoss gets storm, or in rare cases, you can go for fast drops into the main. But no matter what you do, the FFE is safe if done right.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
December 09 2011 09:59 GMT
#4777
On December 09 2011 18:57 corumjhaelen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:57 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:55 hansel01 wrote:
If you wanted to punish a FFE, what would you do as a Zerg? Any type of early pressure possible?


"early" is relative, and the FFE is one of the most mapped out builds in BW. Unless the P either fucks up their wall (which is easier to do in BW, since buildings have gaps between them) or is overly greedy, you really can't stop a FFE. However, containing one or breaking down the wall is quite possible.

Hydra busts are pretty good though.


I guess i consider them more a longer term response, because they can't actually stop a FFE. Though in hindsight, i suppose they could be said to "punish" one, though since the build is so ubiquitous that term seems inappropriate.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 09 2011 09:59 GMT
#4778
On December 09 2011 18:58 ceaRshaf wrote:
There was a time when destructible rocks were mighty temples. Then they got downgraded. :D


Chronological order man! It makes sense!
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 09 2011 10:00 GMT
#4779
That's one lucky Corsair.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
deafhobbit
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States828 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:02:23
December 09 2011 10:01 GMT
#4780
On December 09 2011 18:58 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 18:55 deafhobbit wrote:
On December 09 2011 18:54 StarStruck wrote:
Yeah, hoping Stats wins so we can see Fantasy versus Flash! :D


Honestly, i doubt this will happen. SKT knows that there's no way KT waits till set 5 to send out flash, so they'll feed him a noob and have Fantasy clean up whoever they send out in set 5.

What does it matter if they wait till set 5 or not considering they already lost the first two. This game, game 4, and game 5 all hold the same importance for KT. Lose 1 and you're dead. Doesn't matter if it's the 5th or the 4th game.


On a team with only two great players, the order in which you play them matters a lot. Also, teams rarely rearrange their player orders, since you have to practice so much on a map to stand a chance when the other guy has been playing on it exclusively all week.
I cheer for underdogs and Flash
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