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zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
May 16 2011 01:30 GMT
#8381
On May 16 2011 10:28 TooN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 09:14 socommaster123 wrote:
I think this is how Nani felt when Chill was lagging... maybe he thought it was a set up. [image loading]



soooo good hahahha


lol
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
May 16 2011 01:31 GMT
#8382
Great VODs up
♞ - His EKG is flattening get me a defib stat! Prepped and Ready! - ♞
scatmango2
Profile Joined November 2010
United States408 Posts
May 16 2011 01:31 GMT
#8383
How many viewers did the show peak at?
Project Psycho
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom329 Posts
May 16 2011 01:36 GMT
#8384
Thorzain is my hero!

Damn the guy is just awesome and this was by far the best finals ive seen from any tournament in sc2 so far.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
May 16 2011 01:36 GMT
#8385
On May 16 2011 10:31 scatmango2 wrote:
How many viewers did the show peak at?


I want to say that the peak concurrent viewers was about 65k for high quality and 7k for low quality. So about 70-72k at it's peak.
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
May 16 2011 01:36 GMT
#8386
On May 16 2011 10:31 scatmango2 wrote:
How many viewers did the show peak at?


About 70k I believe.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
May 16 2011 01:38 GMT
#8387
If I remember correctly, Gom TV was restreaming the TSL. Does anybody know how many people watched it there? Or maybe what the reactions were?
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
May 16 2011 01:40 GMT
#8388
On May 16 2011 10:38 ggrrg wrote:
If I remember correctly, Gom TV was restreaming the TSL. Does anybody know how many people watched it there? Or maybe what the reactions were?


No word on numbers, but it was likely unimpressive due to no Koreans in the finals. Quotes are here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9281253
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
Black Octopi
Profile Joined March 2010
187 Posts
May 16 2011 01:43 GMT
#8389
On May 16 2011 08:28 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 08:26 Wolf wrote:
To think that people actually assume Chill had some latency issues due to IRC blows my mind.

It's not IRC, it's the /whois.
As much as I don't want to be an ass towards Chill, I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that Chill was in the wrong. If the rule was close everything, you should close everything!

Do I think this tilted the players? Maybe. If you're in the last stretch, with everything riding on the line, in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world, and your live! knowing probably every damn starcraft fan out there is watching your ever click, every distraction is potentially game changing. It's not a matter of players making game-losing mistake, it's matter of players playing their very best. The fact that it all happened early game is actually worse then if it happed later on, since that's the unforgiving time, that's when every small decisions really matters, and that's when you pick the path you're going to go for in your mid and late game.

Would the game have been different, doesn't really matter at this point. Thorzain won and that's not gonna change. Yeah maybe Naniwa would have retreated, maybe his macro would not have slipped, maybe he could have taken some hidden expo, maybe he would have pulled some nice harass. Well, maybe Thorzain would have beat it anyway, we're not ever gonna know.

However that doesn't mean things didn't go wrong, or that we should pretend nothing happened. This situation never ever has to happen again! It's not just bad for the player, it's bad for the production. It's even more shameful that rules to prevent it were already in place, and it still happened.
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
May 16 2011 01:43 GMT
#8390
nani is prolly pissed at chill ruining his momentum. lol :p
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 01:46:52
May 16 2011 01:46 GMT
#8391
On May 16 2011 10:43 Black Octopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 08:28 eloist wrote:
On May 16 2011 08:26 Wolf wrote:
To think that people actually assume Chill had some latency issues due to IRC blows my mind.

It's not IRC, it's the /whois.
As much as I don't want to be an ass towards Chill, I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that Chill was in the wrong. If the rule was close everything, you should close everything!

Do I think this tilted the players? Maybe. If you're in the last stretch, with everything riding on the line, in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world, and your live! knowing probably every damn starcraft fan out there is watching your ever click, every distraction is potentially game changing. It's not a matter of players making game-losing mistake, it's matter of players playing their very best. The fact that it all happened early game is actually worse then if it happed later on, since that's the unforgiving time, that's when every small decisions really matters, and that's when you pick the path you're going to go for in your mid and late game.

Would the game have been different, doesn't really matter at this point. Thorzain won and that's not gonna change. Yeah maybe Naniwa would have retreated, maybe his macro would not have slipped, maybe he could have taken some hidden expo, maybe he would have pulled some nice harass. Well, maybe Thorzain would have beat it anyway, we're not ever gonna know.

However that doesn't mean things didn't go wrong, or that we should pretend nothing happened. This situation never ever has to happen again! It's not just bad for the player, it's bad for the production. It's even more shameful that rules to prevent it were already in place, and it still happened.


Dude, he made a mistake. He's apologized profusely. He admits fault. He's not hiding or dodging it in any way. If he had the ability to go back and change it, he likely would. What can he possibly do other than what he has done? Why try to take any of the focus off of one of the greatest SC2 series ever and put it on a small but very unfortunate event amongst a series of epicness?
Gee gee gee gee baby baby baby
taichou
Profile Joined February 2010
Lithuania108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 01:48:02
May 16 2011 01:47 GMT
#8392
On May 16 2011 10:43 Black Octopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 08:28 eloist wrote:
On May 16 2011 08:26 Wolf wrote:
To think that people actually assume Chill had some latency issues due to IRC blows my mind.

It's not IRC, it's the /whois.
As much as I don't want to be an ass towards Chill, I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that Chill was in the wrong. If the rule was close everything, you should close everything!

Do I think this tilted the players? Maybe. If you're in the last stretch, with everything riding on the line, in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world, and your live! knowing probably every damn starcraft fan out there is watching your ever click, every distraction is potentially game changing. It's not a matter of players making game-losing mistake, it's matter of players playing their very best. The fact that it all happened early game is actually worse then if it happed later on, since that's the unforgiving time, that's when every small decisions really matters, and that's when you pick the path you're going to go for in your mid and late game.

Would the game have been different, doesn't really matter at this point. Thorzain won and that's not gonna change. Yeah maybe Naniwa would have retreated, maybe his macro would not have slipped, maybe he could have taken some hidden expo, maybe he would have pulled some nice harass. Well, maybe Thorzain would have beat it anyway, we're not ever gonna know.

However that doesn't mean things didn't go wrong, or that we should pretend nothing happened. This situation never ever has to happen again! It's not just bad for the player, it's bad for the production. It's even more shameful that rules to prevent it were already in place, and it still happened.



i disagree. who whould have thought that IRC could affect your inet? and speaking from experience read my previous post
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
May 16 2011 01:48 GMT
#8393
Finished watching the finals about 30 minutes ago as I couldn't get out of working today during the finals and my head and heart are still thumping away! AMAZING games thank you to the players and the guys at TL HQ who made this all possible. Incredible ending to an equally incredible roller-coaster ride of a tournament. Cheers!
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DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
May 16 2011 01:49 GMT
#8394
Im sorry but I don't think the lag would mess with there game or mental state. These guys are pro's, they know what they were doing but the main point is that the lag happened when the match first started so not a very important time, and the lag never showed up during a battle or a super micro intensive spot, so I don't think it did anything but have Naniwa freak out on Chill.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
TalkSick
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria223 Posts
May 16 2011 01:55 GMT
#8395
you guys should stop and think for a second. A 10-15 seconds pause during a rather uneventful moment in a game = match-deciding!?

Seriously, just CHILL.
backtoback
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1276 Posts
May 16 2011 01:59 GMT
#8396
On May 16 2011 10:55 TalkSick wrote:
you guys should stop and think for a second. A 10-15 seconds pause during a rather uneventful moment in a game = match-deciding!?

Seriously, just CHILL.


This. It is not his fault naniwa lost 3 games in a row.
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
May 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#8397
Unbelievably good series. Unreal, Thorzain deserves it so much (and I liquibetted against him xD)
the farm ends here
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
May 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#8398
Congratulations to the huge sucess of TSL 3!!!! 72k viewers at the same time thats an incredible number to achieve!
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2717 Posts
May 16 2011 02:01 GMT
#8399
On May 16 2011 10:40 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 10:38 ggrrg wrote:
If I remember correctly, Gom TV was restreaming the TSL. Does anybody know how many people watched it there? Or maybe what the reactions were?


No word on numbers, but it was likely unimpressive due to no Koreans in the finals. Quotes are here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=9281253


Thanks.

At least some of Koreans thought that the TSL finals were better than all of the GSL finals
FairForever
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2392 Posts
May 16 2011 02:04 GMT
#8400
On May 16 2011 10:46 Takkara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 10:43 Black Octopi wrote:
On May 16 2011 08:28 eloist wrote:
On May 16 2011 08:26 Wolf wrote:
To think that people actually assume Chill had some latency issues due to IRC blows my mind.

It's not IRC, it's the /whois.
As much as I don't want to be an ass towards Chill, I have to agree with some of the sentiment here that Chill was in the wrong. If the rule was close everything, you should close everything!

Do I think this tilted the players? Maybe. If you're in the last stretch, with everything riding on the line, in one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world, and your live! knowing probably every damn starcraft fan out there is watching your ever click, every distraction is potentially game changing. It's not a matter of players making game-losing mistake, it's matter of players playing their very best. The fact that it all happened early game is actually worse then if it happed later on, since that's the unforgiving time, that's when every small decisions really matters, and that's when you pick the path you're going to go for in your mid and late game.

Would the game have been different, doesn't really matter at this point. Thorzain won and that's not gonna change. Yeah maybe Naniwa would have retreated, maybe his macro would not have slipped, maybe he could have taken some hidden expo, maybe he would have pulled some nice harass. Well, maybe Thorzain would have beat it anyway, we're not ever gonna know.

However that doesn't mean things didn't go wrong, or that we should pretend nothing happened. This situation never ever has to happen again! It's not just bad for the player, it's bad for the production. It's even more shameful that rules to prevent it were already in place, and it still happened.


Dude, he made a mistake. He's apologized profusely. He admits fault. He's not hiding or dodging it in any way. If he had the ability to go back and change it, he likely would. What can he possibly do other than what he has done? Why try to take any of the focus off of one of the greatest SC2 series ever and put it on a small but very unfortunate event amongst a series of epicness?


He apologized, and it happens, but that doesn't mean he wasn't in the wrong. The guy had it spot on - who knows if it would have affected the game (and I like Thorzain much more than Naniwa). At this point in time can't change anything, but that was very unprofessional of Chill. That being said, as long as it doesn't happen again - he made a huge error, and now he can hopefully know more so it never happens again.
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