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Reasonable
Profile Joined September 2010
Ukraine1432 Posts
May 11 2011 15:08 GMT
#2301
Wow Huk surprised.
rOMi
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)120 Posts
May 11 2011 15:10 GMT
#2302
gj HuK.. very impressed today taking down MMA

please make foreigners proud in the next tourney
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 11 2011 15:14 GMT
#2303
On May 11 2011 23:39 Danika wrote:
either way Huk being code-s material or not isnt determined by the up and down matches, nor by ppl on a forum saying he is/isnt.
the actual test is lets see if he makes it out of ro32, THEN can he prove us wrong (which i hope even if i dont like him as much, hes still a foreigner vs koreans, so ill cheer)


It is actually determined by the up and down matches. If he makes it to RO16 in Code S, that will mean he's RO16 material. If he makes it in RO8, he will be RO8 material, etc.

So the whole "material" thing is silly anyway. He already proved people who claim he doesn't belong in Code S wrong twice by being Code S two seasons in a row.
teko
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada1197 Posts
May 11 2011 15:40 GMT
#2304
On May 11 2011 14:01 MrKn4rz wrote:
If Huk beats MMA I will eat Incontrol.

Make it happen!!
gm.tOSS
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany898 Posts
May 11 2011 15:48 GMT
#2305
Good god can't wait to get home to watch the vods. HuK <3
HuK HuK HuK | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | There is death in the hane.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 11 2011 15:57 GMT
#2306
On May 11 2011 22:36 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:32 s4life wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:07 lazyfeet wrote:
On May 11 2011 21:44 kickinhead wrote:
I actually don't really like how HuK has been playing lately (lot's of mistakes and poor decision-making), but he performed very well in those games and made perfect decisions, so I guess he can actually play really solid and deserves to be in Code-S. Besides, no Foreiger in Code-S would be pretty much a joke if you look at how well the Foreigners perform in stuff like Stars Wars, TSL, NASL etc.

I actually think that the GSL looses a bit of credibility and prestige with only one Foreigner in Code-S when the Koreans get ripped apart in TSL and stuff. They should really work towards inviting really good Foreigners into the GSL more...

Statement like this make me wish the Korean players not participating any more cross server online tournament. Yes Koreans were ripped in TSL but i will bet the European players will get ripped if they go to Korea consider the pool of korean pros competing in Korea. I guess Idra made the BEST decision ever by not competing in foreign online tournaments when he was in Korea.


Koreans are getting ripped in China too.. GSL players are slightly better but not much better than foreign ones.


Unfortunately, I doubt GSL players take foreign online events very seriously. GSL is still the main priority for every player.


Surely you talk out of your own experience... NOT. Why insult the professionalism of korean players?
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
May 11 2011 16:02 GMT
#2307
On May 11 2011 22:48 kheldorin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:32 s4life wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:07 lazyfeet wrote:
On May 11 2011 21:44 kickinhead wrote:
I actually don't really like how HuK has been playing lately (lot's of mistakes and poor decision-making), but he performed very well in those games and made perfect decisions, so I guess he can actually play really solid and deserves to be in Code-S. Besides, no Foreiger in Code-S would be pretty much a joke if you look at how well the Foreigners perform in stuff like Stars Wars, TSL, NASL etc.

I actually think that the GSL looses a bit of credibility and prestige with only one Foreigner in Code-S when the Koreans get ripped apart in TSL and stuff. They should really work towards inviting really good Foreigners into the GSL more...

Statement like this make me wish the Korean players not participating any more cross server online tournament. Yes Koreans were ripped in TSL but i will bet the European players will get ripped if they go to Korea consider the pool of korean pros competing in Korea. I guess Idra made the BEST decision ever by not competing in foreign online tournaments when he was in Korea.


Koreans are getting ripped in China too.. GSL players are slightly better but not much better than foreign ones.


Except for the final and semi-final, that Chinese tournament is still held online. Live location, in a booth, on a stage in front of a live audience >>>>> online tournaments. EU live events such as IEM, Dreamhack, Copenhagen has been won by a Korean anyway. And if a player is in 2 tournaments where one of them has much more local prestige and much more prize money, I doubt they are going to expose any of their new builds. We have seen so much more specially-made builds in the GSL from the Koreans but not really anywhere else.


I guess we'll never know until half the players in Korea playing in the GSL are foreign... that will never happen.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
May 11 2011 16:10 GMT
#2308
On May 12 2011 00:57 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:36 zerious wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:32 s4life wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:07 lazyfeet wrote:
On May 11 2011 21:44 kickinhead wrote:
I actually don't really like how HuK has been playing lately (lot's of mistakes and poor decision-making), but he performed very well in those games and made perfect decisions, so I guess he can actually play really solid and deserves to be in Code-S. Besides, no Foreiger in Code-S would be pretty much a joke if you look at how well the Foreigners perform in stuff like Stars Wars, TSL, NASL etc.

I actually think that the GSL looses a bit of credibility and prestige with only one Foreigner in Code-S when the Koreans get ripped apart in TSL and stuff. They should really work towards inviting really good Foreigners into the GSL more...

Statement like this make me wish the Korean players not participating any more cross server online tournament. Yes Koreans were ripped in TSL but i will bet the European players will get ripped if they go to Korea consider the pool of korean pros competing in Korea. I guess Idra made the BEST decision ever by not competing in foreign online tournaments when he was in Korea.


Koreans are getting ripped in China too.. GSL players are slightly better but not much better than foreign ones.


Unfortunately, I doubt GSL players take foreign online events very seriously. GSL is still the main priority for every player.


Surely you talk out of your own experience... NOT. Why insult the professionalism of korean players?


I'm just telling you what Nazgul stated in the other thread
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
May 11 2011 16:13 GMT
#2309
Damn HuK, gj
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
May 11 2011 16:20 GMT
#2310
On May 12 2011 00:40 teko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 14:01 MrKn4rz wrote:
If Huk beats MMA I will eat Incontrol.

Make it happen!!


Battlecruiser Operational.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
May 11 2011 16:26 GMT
#2311
Congrats to HuK but now he needs to capitalize on this. He's still 1-9 vs Current Code S players. He needs to use this momentum in the next ro.32 or he'll be in the same spot again.
Known Aliases: Tyragon, Valeric ~MSL Forever, SKT is truly the Superior KT!
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
May 11 2011 16:33 GMT
#2312
Quite sad because MMA is one of my favorites with MarineKing. But well, Huk, even if I wanted him to lose, showed some cool skills.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
May 11 2011 16:43 GMT
#2313
Alright Huk! Finally some vindication by taking out the 'legend killer.' Good luck in code S and the Super Tournament.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
May 11 2011 17:01 GMT
#2314
Congratz huk, i honestly didn't expect that to happen but good job
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
May 11 2011 17:45 GMT
#2315
Uggg I hate when groups have 3 players I love in them. MMA
BoB_KiLLeR
Profile Joined September 2010
Spain620 Posts
May 11 2011 17:46 GMT
#2316
HuK fuck yeah! You so good <3
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12969 Posts
May 11 2011 17:50 GMT
#2317
Gg HuK!
I hope he'll do fine in the future code S.
I knew MMA was overrated (in his TvT against MKP, not the match against HuK), dunno why everybody thought he'll roll over MKP... Too bad I wasn't able to look the games T_T, damn patch.
WriterMaru
Phosgene
Profile Joined February 2011
United States187 Posts
May 11 2011 17:55 GMT
#2318
The link on the front page for the interviews is wrong.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=221897

Is the correct link
Itsgosu
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
May 11 2011 17:57 GMT
#2319
On May 12 2011 02:50 Poopi wrote:
Gg HuK!
I hope he'll do fine in the future code S.
I knew MMA was overrated (in his TvT against MKP, not the match against HuK), dunno why everybody thought he'll roll over MKP... Too bad I wasn't able to look the games T_T, damn patch.


He beat MVP using MKP style.. but considering he was fighting MarineKing himself, yeah.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
May 11 2011 18:33 GMT
#2320
On May 12 2011 01:02 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2011 22:48 kheldorin wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:32 s4life wrote:
On May 11 2011 22:07 lazyfeet wrote:
On May 11 2011 21:44 kickinhead wrote:
I actually don't really like how HuK has been playing lately (lot's of mistakes and poor decision-making), but he performed very well in those games and made perfect decisions, so I guess he can actually play really solid and deserves to be in Code-S. Besides, no Foreiger in Code-S would be pretty much a joke if you look at how well the Foreigners perform in stuff like Stars Wars, TSL, NASL etc.

I actually think that the GSL looses a bit of credibility and prestige with only one Foreigner in Code-S when the Koreans get ripped apart in TSL and stuff. They should really work towards inviting really good Foreigners into the GSL more...

Statement like this make me wish the Korean players not participating any more cross server online tournament. Yes Koreans were ripped in TSL but i will bet the European players will get ripped if they go to Korea consider the pool of korean pros competing in Korea. I guess Idra made the BEST decision ever by not competing in foreign online tournaments when he was in Korea.


Koreans are getting ripped in China too.. GSL players are slightly better but not much better than foreign ones.


Except for the final and semi-final, that Chinese tournament is still held online. Live location, in a booth, on a stage in front of a live audience >>>>> online tournaments. EU live events such as IEM, Dreamhack, Copenhagen has been won by a Korean anyway. And if a player is in 2 tournaments where one of them has much more local prestige and much more prize money, I doubt they are going to expose any of their new builds. We have seen so much more specially-made builds in the GSL from the Koreans but not really anywhere else.


I guess we'll never know until half the players in Korea playing in the GSL are foreign... that will never happen.


Seriously, if you don't trust your own eyes and brain (I have a hard time believing anyone who regularly watches, say, MVP's games, would say that he even played close to 50% of what he was capable of against Adelscott, no matter how bad he was against P at the time), at least trust the words of other pros like idrA: people need to stop taking cross-server online results seriously as far as a measurement of players' skill levels.

Like a previous poster said, the only major result that has been legit was Thorzain vs. MC. It's not a knock on these online tournaments - just shitty Blizzard server technology.

I mean, it's either all of that, or it's foreigners, who don't practice as much, who don't live in a teamhouse environment, who don't live, breathe, and swim in an RTS culture all day, can be just as good if not better than these other players (Koreans in this case). If that truly is the case, I think it might be more of an indictment on the poor quality of SC2 as an esport than anything else - a sport that rewards random variability over hard work. I don't think any of us wants that to be the case.
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