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Where are we in terms of brackets? I'm assuming we are out of group play.
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i reckon Demuslim and 2GD would be incredible, this is definitely top notch casting though!
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On May 22 2011 00:20 mprs wrote:
Where are we in terms of brackets? I'm assuming we are out of group play.
Semi finals
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On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass...
Harass economy with what? You saw how fail DT's were when there was a single Spore crawler present. Morrow even said that Warp-prism harass against Zerg was useless due to larva and how poorly Gateway units do by themselves.
Sase was also super far behind early in the game, he did a failed DT expand, the fact he came back was an amazing feat in itself.
And to say what Sase did was "easy" is the biggest joke I've seen, I dare you to even try do what half of what he did with his composition.
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On May 22 2011 00:18 Gnarfle wrote:
2GD is pretty good playbyplay, I miss Apollo & Demuslim though, I hope they're back for Dreamhack Summer :D
i think apollo was confirmed but demus probably playing.
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Rofl, I always thought sase was overrated, I was correct.
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On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style will disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass...
So what do you expect him to do ? Build warp prisms and drop them somewhere ? I really dont get your point. Its like saying Terran should stop relying on Marines or Zerg to stop building lings.
SaSe had a great unit combionation with Stalkers Templar and Sentries. The only negative thing about that combination as I can see it is that its TOO hard to handle well because of all the spell casters.
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On May 22 2011 00:22 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass... Harass economy with what? You saw how fail DT's were when there was a single Spore crawler present. Morrow even said that Warp-prism harass against Zerg was useless due to larva and how poorly Gateway units do by themselves. Sase was also super far behind early in the game, he did a failed DT expand, the fact he came back was an amazing feat in itself.
C'mon Protoss have many tools to harass the economy (blink stalkers/phoenix/dt/warp prism/sneaky pylone), don't be silly...
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Great immortal snipe by Lalush.
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Sase really does not like attacking at 200 supply
I guess the WC3 inside him makes it really hard for him not to push out before 200 supply
Sase is losing the macro war because he is willing to engage in battles where army values are somewhat equal instead of building up an army that is heavily slanted to Protoss in terms of army value and magnifying Protoss cost efficiency.
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On May 22 2011 00:24 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:22 Dommk wrote:On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass... Harass economy with what? You saw how fail DT's were when there was a single Spore crawler present. Morrow even said that Warp-prism harass against Zerg was useless due to larva and how poorly Gateway units do by themselves. Sase was also super far behind early in the game, he did a failed DT expand, the fact he came back was an amazing feat in itself. C'mon Protoss have many things to harass the economy (blink stalkers/phoenix/dt/warp prism/sneaky pylone), don't be silly... So youre suggesting hes should go DTs and fail and then do the natural transition into Pheonix ? Im not sure if youre trolling us or not.
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On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style will disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass...
Ironically, Blink Stalkers are probably the best way to harass in late game (when there's spores/spines around in each expansion negating any sort of drop/DT) Target the expansion, blink away.
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So does Lalush winning here mean he too is revolutionizing ZvP
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On May 22 2011 00:25 Robinsa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:24 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:22 Dommk wrote:On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass... Harass economy with what? You saw how fail DT's were when there was a single Spore crawler present. Morrow even said that Warp-prism harass against Zerg was useless due to larva and how poorly Gateway units do by themselves. Sase was also super far behind early in the game, he did a failed DT expand, the fact he came back was an amazing feat in itself. C'mon Protoss have many things to harass the economy (blink stalkers/phoenix/dt/warp prism/sneaky pylone), don't be silly... So youre suggesting hes should go DTs and fail and then do the natural transition into Pheonix ? Im not sure if youre trolling us or not.
Harass the economy is not exclusive to the early/mid game you know? You can still try to harass all game long with dts, phoenix, blink stalkers, etc.
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On May 22 2011 00:24 Samhax wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 00:22 Dommk wrote:On May 22 2011 00:20 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:15 NguN wrote:On May 22 2011 00:12 Samhax wrote:On May 22 2011 00:11 zeru wrote:On May 22 2011 00:09 Samhax wrote:
Stalkers, stalkers and more stalkers... I hope zerg find a hard counter to this silly unit composition, and it will disapear. Because it's so boring. I hope will we see more Harass style from protoss and not this stupid 200/200 blink stalker a move. He's was on sub 150 food stalker/templar/archon/zealot this game, what are you even talking about? No, his backbone army was mainly blink stalker. he had few templars and that's it. And what other unit should Protoss be using then? It's the backbone unit of the Protoss army. It'd be silly to not use Stalkers. I'm not the critisizing the fact that he has a lot of stalker. But he was clearly counting on his big Stalkers army count to roll lalush, he didn't try to harass the economy at all. That's the problem with protoss lately and that's why their style are boring, they just try to masse a big stalker army, hit 200 and a-move the zerg, there is no harass in the economy because the easiest way to win is to masse blink stalker and i hope it will be crushed in the futur and this style disapear in hell. You can have a big stalker army but i want to see protoss playing the economy game and harass... Harass economy with what? You saw how fail DT's were when there was a single Spore crawler present. Morrow even said that Warp-prism harass against Zerg was useless due to larva and how poorly Gateway units do by themselves. Sase was also super far behind early in the game, he did a failed DT expand, the fact he came back was an amazing feat in itself. C'mon Protoss have many things to harass the economy (blink stalkers/phoenix/dt/warp prism/sneaky pylone), don't be silly...
1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=218687¤tpage=20#384
That is the post from Morrow about Warp-prism and how bad it is in ZvP.
2. He DID use DT's and it failed so he had to catch up and couldn't even think about getting the off-hand stargate, let alone the fact that Lalush already had Spores AND Hydra
3. How was he going to harass the eco with Stalkers? They do less DPS than Marines and cost more than Hydras, there was creep connecting every base AND Lalush had crack lings.
4. He did harass early in the game, he did the most bold move I've ever seen a Protoss do when being so far behind and it worked insanely well because of how well he executed it
Please, just stop posting
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I think we see a clear shift in the meta-game now. With early roach and zergling all-ins it seems protoss play very defensive. Judging from the past 3 weeks it seems all early game pressure from protoss have stopped vs zerg. I simply cant see protoss getting "easy" wins any more vs zerg. It's going to be more and more late game matches and I feel like a lot of protoss players aren't used to play the MU that way.
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Infestors biggest joke ever.
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SaSe sure is fearless... that semi push was doomed from the start
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Sase loves negating his own range advantage by suicide blinking into the middle of the roach army.
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