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On May 10 2011 10:10 ct2299 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 06:57 Mordiford wrote:On May 10 2011 04:49 TooN wrote:
Funny that some of you are saying drewbie can make code S now hahhah. He might of been able to make it in season 1, but in the current state of sc2 in GSL, I highly doubt a player like drewbie will qualify for code a, then make it to up and down, then get code S. Sorry, but thats just my opinion. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, if you read my posts I said that I don't think anyone could make a straight shoot to Code S at this point, it's become very difficult and very competitive. Even top players would have to actually take the time out and make a commitment to stick with it. Given 6 or so months in Korea, I think Drewbie could make it into Code S. You have to remember that even Jinro failed to qualify twice. GSL is really difficult for players outside of Korea because they have to take themselves out of their element and make a huge commitment of time and resources, if they mess up even once, they're on the bench for 3 months and all the while they are missing out on the foreign goings-on unless they want to add additional expense for flying around. It's even more huge pressure for foreigners who don't have a setup like Liquid with a host team, if you mess up, you're basically burning money and wasting time. Why does everyone talk about Drewbie. The guy is 1-3 in NASL, hasn't done very well in tournaments lately either. I for one don't think he can make it in Code S, the caliber of players is way better. And if you're saying that he's about equal to Jinro or HuK, then you have proof right in front of you that that skill level is enough to make it in Code S anymore.
Drewbie just happened to be brought up in relation to the notion that Zenio would stomp any foreign Terran, the ball just got rolling from there. We're all talking about Drewbie simply because he was brought up, it became somewhat of a side discussion in relation to the skill level of Code S now as opposed to when GSL first started. I stand by my belief that given 6+ months, he, or a player of his caliber could probably make it into Code S.
The GSL right now would be hard, if not impossible for any foreigner to break into in one straight run, there's too much pressure if you're trying to do it that way, because one mis-step and you just wasted a ton of time and money and you basically either pull out or spend even more time and money. Foreigners naturally have a huge disadvantage here, firstly in being out of their homeland to start, and secondly in being in a situation where they have to commit to a long-term tournament as opposed to the one-off, few day events, or online tournaments in the foreign scene.
The skill level will grow as players take the time to adjust and improve, I don't know why Jinro's skill appears to have stagnated a bit but I think he's just a barrier that I'm sure he'll break eventually. No foreign player should assume they can go to Korea at this point and just sweep their way in, the GSL is a long term commitment. One season isn't indicative of foreign performance in the GSL, and the focus shifting slightly away from the GSL amongst some foreign players doesn't mean that they don't think they can compete. It just isn't worth it to compete when they have large tournaments going on that don't require them to uproot themselves and blow tons of money.
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Pretty disappointed by Jinro's loss. However, I won't say that it took me by surprize. He just wasn't playing code S standard tvz.
I cringed at how aggressive his bunker push in game 1 was. It was pretty much an all in 
Team Liquid need to boot out their consistent flops and hunt for new talent to strengthen their ranks.
Awesome pick up by Mouz in grabbing Thorzain.. someone like Thorzain is what TL needs imo.
GL Jinro! u the best in TL!!
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Ah man Jinro definitely should've won atleast one of those games, he is (was?) a better player than both of them. If he loses in the groups and then in 2 Bo3s then he doesn't really deserve to be in Code A. I hope he can get out of this slump he is in .
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the funny thing is both jinro and san came from a same group in the round of 32 :D
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On May 10 2011 14:20 fatvirgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:50 SilverforceX wrote:
Don't even blame it on Terran being "weak". There are so many other terrans doing great, many.
It's just being outplayed, that's it. Good luck to Jinro in the next season, hopefully he will do better. lol what? Mvp is the best SC2 player in the world, and besides him Terran have been having trouble. Nada lost to 2 different all ins from Inca, who plays a race that have about a dozen different all ins that can out right kill Terran. Jinro was stomped by Zerg in the up and down matches, and was stomped by Zerg in the Korea vs The World GSL.The only games Nestea lost to SC, quite a good player, were to bunker rushes. In fact, the only games I see Zerg lose to Terran are bunker rushes, even though they don't complain when they do high economy baneling aggression that destroys a Terran, or just play them in a macro game, destroy their entire army with 2 fungals, tech to broodlords and win. Idra complains about imbalance, but the only games he's ever lost to Select were bunker rushes, and he lost two games to TLO at MLG from cheese. It's just hard for Terran right now in TvZ vs a similarly skilled opponent.
Nada opened greedy eco builds every game and got punished for it, 1rax expo's can come under pretty hard pressure from just a standard 3 gate expo it's not surprising he lost those games to 1 base all ins. In fact if he didn't lose those games Terran would be overpowered. It's similar to how MC got rolled in his group doing 1 gate expos by PoltPrime except Polt just did a fairly standard 2 rax opener. The 1 gate/rax expo builds are taking a risk to get an economic advantage and if your opponent is going for an agressive build or an all in you are in trouble.
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On May 10 2011 16:42 pieman819 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 14:20 fatvirgin wrote:On May 10 2011 09:50 SilverforceX wrote:
Don't even blame it on Terran being "weak". There are so many other terrans doing great, many.
It's just being outplayed, that's it. Good luck to Jinro in the next season, hopefully he will do better. lol what? Mvp is the best SC2 player in the world, and besides him Terran have been having trouble. Nada lost to 2 different all ins from Inca, who plays a race that have about a dozen different all ins that can out right kill Terran. Jinro was stomped by Zerg in the up and down matches, and was stomped by Zerg in the Korea vs The World GSL.The only games Nestea lost to SC, quite a good player, were to bunker rushes. In fact, the only games I see Zerg lose to Terran are bunker rushes, even though they don't complain when they do high economy baneling aggression that destroys a Terran, or just play them in a macro game, destroy their entire army with 2 fungals, tech to broodlords and win. Idra complains about imbalance, but the only games he's ever lost to Select were bunker rushes, and he lost two games to TLO at MLG from cheese. It's just hard for Terran right now in TvZ vs a similarly skilled opponent. Nada opened greedy eco builds every game and got punished for it, 1rax expo's can come under pretty hard pressure from just a standard 3 gate expo it's not surprising he lost those games to 1 base all ins. In fact if he didn't lose those games Terran would be overpowered. It's similar to how MC got rolled in his group doing 1 gate expos by PoltPrime except Polt just did a fairly standard 2 rax opener. The 1 gate/rax expo builds are taking a risk to get an economic advantage and if your opponent is going for an agressive build or an all in you are in trouble.
Z can open hatch first vs T without any problem at all, so can Toss on most maps. T's only hard counter response is some cheesy all in, but T's all ins are absolutely garbage compared to Toss's, which arent' even all ins because they are guaranteed to do a ton of damage. Most T rushes suck vs P because one forcefield at the ramp nullifies all aggression, while them having 1 pylon near your base is the equivalent of you having 4 barracks at the front of their base. Also, marines do very low damage in low numbers, especially when firing into Guardian shield, and Zealots become so tanky it's insane. It's ridiculous how many legitimate all ins toss have vs Terran, and regardless of an all in or not, we are forced to make bunkers and get detection because the threat of Toss cheese.
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gutted Jinro been kncoed down, hoepfully HuK can do soemthign special!!!
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On May 10 2011 17:20 fatvirgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 16:42 pieman819 wrote:On May 10 2011 14:20 fatvirgin wrote:On May 10 2011 09:50 SilverforceX wrote:
Don't even blame it on Terran being "weak". There are so many other terrans doing great, many.
It's just being outplayed, that's it. Good luck to Jinro in the next season, hopefully he will do better. lol what? Mvp is the best SC2 player in the world, and besides him Terran have been having trouble. Nada lost to 2 different all ins from Inca, who plays a race that have about a dozen different all ins that can out right kill Terran. Jinro was stomped by Zerg in the up and down matches, and was stomped by Zerg in the Korea vs The World GSL.The only games Nestea lost to SC, quite a good player, were to bunker rushes. In fact, the only games I see Zerg lose to Terran are bunker rushes, even though they don't complain when they do high economy baneling aggression that destroys a Terran, or just play them in a macro game, destroy their entire army with 2 fungals, tech to broodlords and win. Idra complains about imbalance, but the only games he's ever lost to Select were bunker rushes, and he lost two games to TLO at MLG from cheese. It's just hard for Terran right now in TvZ vs a similarly skilled opponent. Nada opened greedy eco builds every game and got punished for it, 1rax expo's can come under pretty hard pressure from just a standard 3 gate expo it's not surprising he lost those games to 1 base all ins. In fact if he didn't lose those games Terran would be overpowered. It's similar to how MC got rolled in his group doing 1 gate expos by PoltPrime except Polt just did a fairly standard 2 rax opener. The 1 gate/rax expo builds are taking a risk to get an economic advantage and if your opponent is going for an agressive build or an all in you are in trouble. Z can open hatch first vs T without any problem at all, so can Toss on most maps. T's only hard counter response is some cheesy all in, but T's all ins are absolutely garbage compared to Toss's, which arent' even all ins because they are guaranteed to do a ton of damage. Most T rushes suck vs P because one forcefield at the ramp nullifies all aggression, while them having 1 pylon near your base is the equivalent of you having 4 barracks at the front of their base. Also, marines do very low damage in low numbers, especially when firing into Guardian shield, and Zealots become so tanky it's insane. It's ridiculous how many legitimate all ins toss have vs Terran, and regardless of an all in or not, we are forced to make bunkers and get detection because the threat of Toss cheese.
Z doesn't need to build gates/rax's and needs the fast hatch to keep up in production it's completely different beast and has no place in this discusion. Toss can't fast expo inside their base so 1 FF can't protect them from an early 2 rax bio push if they 1 gate expoed unless they run up the ramp and sac their nexus which evens out or puts the terran ahead.
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ugh, male kpop doesn't deliver
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srsly
need to start day2
someone
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Asian schoolgirls.. I'm not thinking of SC2 right now thats for sure.
edit: ffs, they so hot.
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On May 10 2011 18:05 dangerjoe wrote:
Asian schoolgirls.. I'm not thinking of SC2 right now thats for sure
it's t-ara btw, girls of this code S season
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On May 10 2011 18:07 HQuality wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 18:05 dangerjoe wrote:
Asian schoolgirls.. I'm not thinking of SC2 right now thats for sure it's t-ara btw, girls of this code S season
Yeah I know
I'm just glad they don't do their intros in school girl uniforms, because then I would be watching SC2 with a massive boner lol
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This autotuning sounds so awful.
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On May 09 2011 21:10 Supamang wrote:
poor jinro, but maybe this will motivate him to train extra hard.
"Why do we fall, Master Wayne?"
Win.
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Man, supporting Liquid is starting to feel like supporting ACE (and not this year's ACE). =(
Oh well, still waiting for the grand resurgence. =P
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On May 10 2011 15:07 starcraft2rush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 03:43 Zzoram wrote:
I don't know what's happened to Liquid. All their players seem to be slumping hard. Maybe Koreans are improving faster than Jinro and Huk are, maybe they just lost their confidence. The things that stand out to me are micro mistakes and poor reaction to what's going on in the game. It's like once they get set on a strategy, they'll do it despite their opponent knowing it and preparing to hard counter it. Basically they've been playing like robots lately.
I believe Idra is better than anyone on Liquid. He gets a lot of flack but he is far more consistent a player than anyone on Liquid and hasn't slumped yet. Idra's new ZvP style is also very successful and aggressive and I like it. I think very few foreigners have a serious shot at getting into Code S now, the level of competition is really high. I suspect a guy like Naniwa can do it since he had the mental fortitude to perform at the LAN environment of MLG. Most foreign players seem to perform best online from the comfort of their home, and fall apart at LANs. Yeah I have been wondering about Liquid. Not too long ago when the oGs/liquid house was announced things were really looking up for their team. They are definitely in a rut based on recent performance . I dunno what it is but it almost seems like they have lost their drive and focus. Something needs to change if they are to pull out of it.
Nah... at this point it's quite obvious that the foreign WC3 scene had the more talented players, being bigger and more active. Liquid did not pick any of those players -- a missed opportunity one could say -- and for a while they were doing well due to their BW background, but as most players are reaching the same plateau in mechanics, the players with best strategy and decision making are the ones winning.
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On May 10 2011 15:31 needmoreMicro wrote:Pretty disappointed by Jinro's loss. However, I won't say that it took me by surprize. He just wasn't playing code S standard tvz. I cringed at how aggressive his bunker push in game 1 was. It was pretty much an all in Team Liquid need to boot out their consistent flops and hunt for new talent to strengthen their ranks. Awesome pick up by Mouz in grabbing Thorzain.. someone like Thorzain is what TL needs imo. GL Jinro! u the best in TL!!
Are you saying Liquid should kick Jinro from the team?
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