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On July 04 2011 08:10 MrDudeMan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:06 seoul_kiM wrote:
After you wipe the opponent's army you at least push an expansion or something. He literally wiped the army. All the colossi + ground forces, nothing like retreated and was defending. Select was sitting on like 30-40marauders 12 vikings and like 6-8 medivacs. He couldve at least pushed up.
There's a lot more factors then you seem to think there is. Did you forget about the fact that cruncher's army's must've looked suspiciously small to select? Or how about that fact that select was worried about DT's being warped into his main when his army moved out? Theres a lot more mind games in play, especially when losing that game to something as foolish as being caught off guard by DT's would cost his team $1000.
it doesnt have to be dts 20 3 3 3 zealots in main ll create a havoc if select moves
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On July 04 2011 08:08 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:02 kNyTTyM wrote:
soo.. I don't see anyone that can take out morrow so what can col do? Col just needs to go 2-2 in the 1v1 matches and they win the finals, because they should win the 2v2 easily.
Ya my statement basically assumes mouz will either win before the ace or win in the ace. I say it's a pretty fair assumption looking at the caliber of players
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On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won.
Had your name not been minigun everybody would have been trolling you. What you just said was not crap.
Select played awful. His army control is really really good but his macro is worse than the average high master player. At some point he should have realized that he had no f..... scvs, and either build scvs or allined. He did neither.
So what I am trying to say: Bad all around macro + bad late game gameplan.
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Poll: Whom do you think will win the Grand Finals between Mouz and coL?Mouz (27) 79% coL (7) 21% 34 total votes Your vote: Whom do you think will win the Grand Finals between Mouz and coL? (Vote): Mouz
(Vote): coL
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On July 04 2011 08:01 Darpa wrote:
Why didnt select push after wiping crunchers the first time. He was way up on army size. He gave that game away ><
Edit. Also where is Naniwa, he hasnt played yet has he?
Because you can't attack in this situation if you can't afford a base trade.
Basically the game was already over 10 minutes ago and Cruncher played very well (from a strategical pow).
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On July 04 2011 08:08 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:06 Hierarch wrote:On July 04 2011 08:02 vdale wrote:On July 04 2011 08:01 Serpico wrote:
cruncher literally has no idea how to engage in the late game. Just ugly as hell and mass gateways/warp in saves him. And still he was the much better player in this game. Such a horrible game by Select. Yup, select missed his 5-6 minute window to win when cruncher was still on like 110 probes Would of thought something was up when Cruncher sends 20 probes or so suicided into SeleCT's army.
Well when cruncher was saccing probes the window had closed because crunchers army + reinforcements was sufficient, but during his window select would have had a like 170 food army vs a 90 food (max) army and he coulda just kept going and done something. Not sure if he would have won but it definitely didn't help that he was playing so passive. But he didn't have the vision we did either so 
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morrow thorzain is already like 2 free wins and hasu or mana can go and finish this stuff up. GG
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On July 04 2011 08:12 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won. Had your name not been minigun everybody would have been trolling you. What you just said was not crap. Select played awful. His army control is really really good but his macro is worse than the average high master player. At some point he should have realized that he had no f..... scvs, and either build scvs or allined. He did neither. So what I am trying to say: Bad all around macro + bad late game gameplan.
Meh, he had two orbitals in his main, he was going for the low scv count and was just going to rely on mules, the problem was cruncher did suicide some units and got a decent amount of scv kills, and select didn't rebuild them.
But calling his macro worse than the average high master player is...-____-
He was just trying to hold on, if he had known how many bases cruncher actually had he would have, but he doesn't have 100% vision like spectators do.
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On July 04 2011 08:02 kNyTTyM wrote:
soo.. I don't see anyone that can take out morrow so what can col do?
Try to get luck in the pairings and send him in a ZvZ. Or win the other 3 games (2v2, minigun an cruncher, could happen).
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If they are paired with a protoss against Morrow it's going to be pretty bad, since most of coL's protosses don't know how to deal with the ling bling style
Edit: Crap. Cruncher v Morrow ><
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excited to see the ling-bling style from morrow.
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I should stop spoiling games by looking at player match histories
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gogo morrow, kill him dead :D
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On July 04 2011 08:16 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:12 Hider wrote:On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won. Had your name not been minigun everybody would have been trolling you. What you just said was not crap. Select played awful. His army control is really really good but his macro is worse than the average high master player. At some point he should have realized that he had no f..... scvs, and either build scvs or allined. He did neither. So what I am trying to say: Bad all around macro + bad late game gameplan. Meh, he had two orbitals in his main, he was going for the low scv count and was just going to rely on mules, the problem was cruncher did suicide some units and got a decent amount of scv kills, and select didn't rebuild them. But calling his macro worse than the average high master player is...-____- He was just trying to hold on, if he had known how many bases cruncher actually had he would have, but he doesn't have 100% vision like spectators do.
Not sure about the "average" high master but some high masters definitely have very good macro.
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On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won.
We're frustrated that Select didn't even seem to possess the desire to win. He had a big economic disadvantage and realized he had a big economic disadvantage, but never took the initiative to take an advantage in any other area. He played conservatively at a point where he can't afford to play conservatively.
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On July 04 2011 08:22 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won. We're frustrated that Select didn't even seem to possess the desire to win. He had a big economic disadvantage and realized he had a big economic disadvantage, but never took the initiative to take an advantage in any other area. He played conservatively at a point where he can't afford to play conservatively.
I think that's a silly thing to say, sure he may have made some poor decisions but he obviously the desire to win, he wouldn't have stayed in the game so long, at such a disadvantage if he didn't want to win it out for his team.
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On July 04 2011 08:16 coL.Minigun wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:12 Hider wrote:On July 04 2011 08:05 coL.Minigun wrote:
why are so many people trying to tell select how to play....
and Im pretty sure cruncher was purposely throwing away armies because it was quite obvious he had already won. Had your name not been minigun everybody would have been trolling you. What you just said was not crap. Select played awful. His army control is really really good but his macro is worse than the average high master player. At some point he should have realized that he had no f..... scvs, and either build scvs or allined. He did neither. So what I am trying to say: Bad all around macro + bad late game gameplan. Meh, he had two orbitals in his main, he was going for the low scv count and was just going to rely on mules, the problem was cruncher did suicide some units and got a decent amount of scv kills, and select didn't rebuild them. But calling his macro worse than the average high master player is...-____- He was just trying to hold on, if he had known how many bases cruncher actually had he would have, but he doesn't have 100% vision like spectators do.
This is completely off your topic but while you're here, I was wondering if you were allowed to disclose how the prize money is divided between the team? Is there some sort of system in place which rewards performance or does every player receive equal share of the winnings after the team gets a slice of course. Just really curious.
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How will the grand final be handled?
Does coL have to win 2 matches, coming from the loosers bracket?
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On July 04 2011 08:16 DontGiveUp wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2011 08:02 kNyTTyM wrote:
soo.. I don't see anyone that can take out morrow so what can col do? Try to get luck in the pairings and send him in a ZvZ. Or win the other 3 games (2v2, minigun an cruncher, could happen).
So pairings came up and is MorroW x Cruncher first.
I don't really see Cruncher winning this, unless he took his time to practice heavily against Morrow's style overnight. Or maybe he can come up with clever cheeses, but that also is hard to pull against Morrow (I can't imagine zerg losing to double stargate again, for instance).
The 2v2 should be a lock for coL, and minigun is capalbe of taking out anyone else from mouz. If it is Drewbie x Thorzain again, Drewbie could steal it.
Idk, mouz is favored but I can see coL winning this if the right pieces fall on the right places. Their semifinal match was close after all (both Drewbie and minigun one game away from reversing the result).
I love team leagues. : )
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