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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 03 2011 22:35 GMT
#5461
It's pretty silly how Naniwa refuses to play for dignitas due to the lag. Dignitas wouldn't be in this position otherwise.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
July 03 2011 22:36 GMT
#5462
On July 04 2011 07:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
From watching those games it seems quite obvious that Catz and Drewbie are above any other 2v2 in this league. Their understanding of timings and unit compositions is really unmatched. They're constantly scouting and adjusting their composition while the other teams just build something and hope it works.

When your two factory gets scouted and you still go with it, it's pretty obvious that you're going to lose because the Col team is smart enough to counter you.


It almost seems like CatZ and Drewbie figured out how to play 2v2 as Z and T, then showed it to everyone, then everyone copied them. It could be why people claim that T and Z are a better combination in 2v2. I just wonder what other type of builds they have.
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
July 03 2011 22:36 GMT
#5463
On July 04 2011 07:35 MCDayC wrote:
What has happened to SeleCT?
2 months ago he was fighting for the title of best T outside of Korea. Now he loses to in base proxy pylons like some ladder scrub. I want old SeleCT back!


Maybe just burning himself out with too much playtime....
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
July 03 2011 22:36 GMT
#5464
On July 04 2011 07:35 hayata2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...


Cloak would run out. Takes forever for a banshee to kill 2 nexus.


Energy would regen... nvm nice edit lmao
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
One Night Stanz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States35 Posts
July 03 2011 22:36 GMT
#5465
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...

You don't need detection after the cloak runs out, and the stalkers/sentries hit air
MMA:Hero:Idra <3
Daniello
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland127 Posts
July 03 2011 22:36 GMT
#5466
Probe in my base. I don't understand.
Minigun
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
619 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 22:38:16
July 03 2011 22:37 GMT
#5467
On July 04 2011 07:35 hayata2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...


Cloak would run out. Takes forever for a banshee to kill 2 nexus.


You go for the probes, then the stalkers with cloak. I honestly think select would have won. The robo was just put down, the observer wouldn't have been out for foreverrrrrrrrrr.

On July 04 2011 07:36 One Night Stanz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...

You don't need detection after the cloak runs out, and the stalkers/sentries hit air


orlly? >_>

seems like he had 2-3 stalkers , one sentry, 2 banshee>3 stalkers without cloak
“Quiet people have the loudest minds.” ― Stephen Hawking
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
July 03 2011 22:38 GMT
#5468
On July 04 2011 07:35 syllogism wrote:
It's pretty silly how Naniwa refuses to play for dignitas due to the lag. Dignitas wouldn't be in this position otherwise.

Is that confirmed or just speculation? He already played for them yesterday vs. Fnatic.
mantower
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden131 Posts
July 03 2011 22:38 GMT
#5469
I still don't get why Select just didn't cancel the banshee in the making and threw out a raven instead?
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
July 03 2011 22:39 GMT
#5470
On July 04 2011 07:35 MCDayC wrote:
What has happened to SeleCT?
2 months ago he was fighting for the title of best T outside of Korea. Now he loses to in base proxy pylons like some ladder scrub. I want old SeleCT back!


And tvp was always his best matchup ><
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 03 2011 22:40 GMT
#5471
On July 04 2011 07:38 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:35 syllogism wrote:
It's pretty silly how Naniwa refuses to play for dignitas due to the lag. Dignitas wouldn't be in this position otherwise.

Is that confirmed or just speculation? He already played for them yesterday vs. Fnatic.

Did he? Nevermind then, but a while ago he stated he no longer wants to play games on NA due to lag
One Night Stanz
Profile Joined January 2011
United States35 Posts
July 03 2011 22:40 GMT
#5472
On July 04 2011 07:37 coL.Minigun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:35 hayata2.0 wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...


Cloak would run out. Takes forever for a banshee to kill 2 nexus.


You go for the probes, then the stalkers with cloak. I honestly think select would have won. The robo was just put down, the observer wouldn't have been out for foreverrrrrrrrrr.

Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:36 One Night Stanz wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:34 coL.Minigun wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:33 Denzil wrote:
Technically couldn't Select have just lifted his CC and base raced?


This...it seems like he would have won because cruncher had no forge/robo on the way. Hm...

You don't need detection after the cloak runs out, and the stalkers/sentries hit air


orlly? >_>

seems like he had 2-3 stalkers , one sentry, 2 banshee>3 stalkers without cloak

Excuse me if I'm wrong, but there was only one banshee on the field and the other in production. the 3 stalkers and sentries plus reinforcements would take the banshees out, and the dt's could have killed the tech lab pretty easily?
MMA:Hero:Idra <3
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 22:42:29
July 03 2011 22:41 GMT
#5473
On July 04 2011 07:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:38 city42 wrote:
On July 04 2011 07:35 syllogism wrote:
It's pretty silly how Naniwa refuses to play for dignitas due to the lag. Dignitas wouldn't be in this position otherwise.

Is that confirmed or just speculation? He already played for them yesterday vs. Fnatic.

Did he? Nevermind then, but a while ago he stated he no longer wants to play games on NA due to lag


Either way it's frustrating that Dignitas almost never seem to be playing their best team all together, no reason they should be getting dragged to an ace match with Col. even if they have to deal with 2v2.

---

good scouting from Cruncher to find the ninja port.
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
July 03 2011 22:41 GMT
#5474
On July 04 2011 07:38 mantower wrote:
I still don't get why Select just didn't cancel the banshee in the making and threw out a raven instead?

Pure speculation: even if he got a raven out, the DTs would have done a ton of damage. Select would have been down a base and a ton of SCVs. Probably thought his only chance was to do an equal amount of damage with banshees. But then he saw Cruncher was on 2 bases, decent saturation and just gave up.

On July 04 2011 07:35 MCDayC wrote:
What has happened to SeleCT?
2 months ago he was fighting for the title of best T outside of Korea. Now he loses to in base proxy pylons like some ladder scrub. I want old SeleCT back!

Pretty sure Cruncher isn't a ladder scrub. He's proven time and time again that he can play with the best in NA.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
July 03 2011 22:42 GMT
#5475
On July 04 2011 07:38 mantower wrote:
I still don't get why Select just didn't cancel the banshee in the making and threw out a raven instead?


Ravens take 1min to build, in that time he would have lost all his scvs while his banshees didn't have enough cloak to take out all the probes before an obs got chrono'd, especially down a banshee.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
July 03 2011 22:42 GMT
#5476
Damn.. cruncher with the lucky scout
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 03 2011 22:43 GMT
#5477
On July 04 2011 07:36 MrDudeMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 07:34 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
From watching those games it seems quite obvious that Catz and Drewbie are above any other 2v2 in this league. Their understanding of timings and unit compositions is really unmatched. They're constantly scouting and adjusting their composition while the other teams just build something and hope it works.

When your two factory gets scouted and you still go with it, it's pretty obvious that you're going to lose because the Col team is smart enough to counter you.


It almost seems like CatZ and Drewbie figured out how to play 2v2 as Z and T, then showed it to everyone, then everyone copied them. It could be why people claim that T and Z are a better combination in 2v2. I just wonder what other type of builds they have.


People don't play protoss in team because it's almost impossible to hold off early cheeses on the wide ramp maps. You can go forge first to hold them off, but then your opponents can expand safely 99% of the time and put you behind regardless. The tried and true 1v1 method where you forcefield your ramp isn't possible on the wider ramps which means instant loss on half the 2v2 maps...

Having two races is far more versatile than doubling up on T or Z. You can always feed your opponent so you can play two base T or Z from five minute into the game or standard. If you play ZZ or TT then you gain absolutely nothing unless you're doing a strategy that wins before you can feed your ally.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
July 03 2011 22:45 GMT
#5478
2000minerals for select lol...
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 03 2011 22:45 GMT
#5479
Jesus SeleCT is floating so many minerals ><
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
July 03 2011 22:45 GMT
#5480
cmon Select you can't have 2k minerals banked at the 15 minute mark :S
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