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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 03 2011 08:37 Talin wrote: Also for all those people who thought he was somehow a top player (even by foreign standards).  He beat Sjow 2-0 and lost 2-1 to Select playing from Korea to NA. I'm sure he'll do just fine. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:45 ImHuko wrote: Play to win is more like play to abuse when you are against zerg.  That strategy is so easy to pull off, because you can keep saving up minerals and spend them all at once after Nexus cancel with 4 warpgates. You can't scout it when they wait that long. Sen didn't have any lings in front of Minigun's base, that would've been about 5 seconds extra of reaction time and towards the completion of the nexus you can try saving larva, just one injection round can make all the difference | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:47 iNcontroL wrote: sen coulda scouted that a lot better (ling in front of base instead of at tower) Also Sen was on 3 base / pure drone with 0 ling as a base... REALLY greedy.yeah, if he had started those spines the moment the nexus got cancelled rather than the moment he saw the army he could have had them up in time and it would have looked much different. hope we see more zerg games though because it's awesome to listen to idra cast zerg :D | ||
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:48 Azarkon wrote: Minigun has some great builds vs. Zerg, but I feel like Sen played just a bit greedy in these last two games. Given how fast a Protoss can transition from expo to 4-5 gate, you really aren't "safe" as Zerg until the nexus has been completed. Safe zerg is behind zerg though. If you prepare for nexus cancel allin, you will fall behind if they don't do it. | ||
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tofubeans
United States794 Posts
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WooChop
United States120 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:48 TomSlick wrote: nice watching some average nobody NA Toss beat one of the best Zergs in the world with abuse. And where do you get the notion that Minigun is a nobody? He's consistently highly ranked in GM in NA. He's done very well in a lot of online tournaments and clan wars, too. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:49 Zeroxk wrote: Sen didn't have any lings in front of Minigun's base, that would've been about 5 seconds extra of reaction time and towards the completion of the nexus you can try saving larva, just one injection round can make all the difference eh, protoss can cancel and attack at any point during the 100 seconds it takes for nexus to build, and saving larvae for 100 seconds isn't really that appealing | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:52 MonsieurGrimm wrote: eh, protoss can cancel and attack at any point during the 100 seconds it takes for nexus to build, and saving larvae for 100 seconds isn't really that appealing Not to mention Minigun can easily get rid of a zergling infront of his base, I don't get how a ling will help, a smart protoss will just get rid of it before moving out, and in that case, Sen will have the same reaction time when he falls back to the watch tower. From what I saw in game 1 and 2, Minigun just basically abused Zergs lack of good scouting to get pretty easy wins. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:53 ImHuko wrote: Not to mention Minigun can easily get rid of a zergling infront of his base, I don't get how a ling will help, a smart protoss will just get rid of it before moving out, and in that case, Sen will have the same reaction time when he falls back to the watch tower. put an overlord behind the natural mineral line, move it in to check from time to time. it's not perfect but it's better than nothing. he also didn't have a roach warren or baneling nest but he did have a fuckton of useless gas which could have been minerals | ||
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poundcakes
Norway239 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:50 ImHuko wrote: Safe zerg is behind zerg though. If you prepare for nexus cancel allin, you will fall behind if they don't do it. In this situation, not really. If Protoss did a fast nexus, then yeah, you have to match his econ, but Minigun chrono boosted out a zealot, a stalker, and some sentries for a failed initial attack. He was way behind on economy and Sen was getting his third up before Minigun had completed his second. If Minigun transitioned into a macro game at that point, he'd be way behind. His choice to all-in was the right one and Sen should've known it was coming before the force was half-way to his base. | ||
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ImHuko
United States996 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:57 Azarkon wrote: In this situation, not really. If Protoss did a fast nexus, then yeah, you have to match his econ, but Minigun chrono boosted out a zealot, a stalker, and some sentries for a failed initial attack. He was way behind on economy and Sen was getting his third up before Minigun had completed his second. If Minigun transitioned into a macro game at that point, he'd be way behind. His choice to all-in was the right one and Sen should've known it was coming before the force was half-way to his base. That initial rush was good, he killed a few drones and should have got a queen. The all-in was the right decision, I agree, but only because Sen is a far superior player. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 03 2011 09:57 Azarkon wrote: In this situation, not really. If Protoss did a fast nexus, then yeah, you have to match his econ, but Minigun chrono boosted out a zealot, a stalker, and some sentries for a failed initial attack. He was way behind on economy and Sen was getting his third up before Minigun had completed his second. If Minigun transitioned into a macro game at that point, he'd be way behind. His choice to all-in was the right one and Sen should've known it was coming before the force was half-way to his base. it wasn't really failed, he got some drone kills and forced a couple lings without suffering any losses | ||
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cyprin
United States1105 Posts
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redloser
Korea (South)1745 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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