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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:26 Chicane wrote: Every attack is an all in then. You get behind when you dedicate yourself to an attack. The obvious hope is that you can do damage to kill them or get ahead. If you can't understand that doing these 'attacks' on a 1 base economy is not the same as on 2+ bases, I can't help you. | ||
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Eggcake
Switzerland722 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:25 SafeAsCheese wrote: Terran can continue after all-ining with 20 scv if they do econ damage (minigun killed over 20 drones) Same applies to c-boost and inject. It's a annoying thing about SC2 sadly. It's still an all-in, don't be snide. This statement is actually contradicting itself. If you can continue, it's simply not an allin. Anyway, that's off topic and it gets a bit boring. The all ins get defended easily, as you clearly see if the player spots it. If he doesn't - well, bad luck for him. | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Cade
Canada1420 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:26 Chicane wrote: Every attack is an all in then. You get behind when you dedicate yourself to an attack. The obvious hope is that you can do damage to kill them or get ahead. yup. losing units without doing damage generally puts you at a disadvantage, but you can also usually do damage so it's fine. the difference is the follow-up. if you were to do some sort of pressure and expand behind it, it wouldn't be allin because you have a followup. however, with that style of 4gate you have no money to spend on things other than gateway units, you have no 2nd gas and you have less probes. you have no good followup so it's allin. you could say that he can still transition out but the transition is weak and late and he's still pretty much dead because of that. investing into production, and then not being able to use that production is never a good thing in any rts game - you'd be better off just not making the gateway. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:29 Telcontar wrote: If you can't understand that doing these 'attacks' on a 1 base economy is not the same as on 2+ bases, I can't help you. When did I say I can't understand the difference. Funny thing is that people call Minigun doing pushes on 2 bases all ins as well. That being said, it really isn't worth arguing over since it really comes down more to the definition of "all in." To me, all in would be dedicating everything to an attack which is guaranteed to end the game one way or another, which makes sense in terms of the English language, but I do understand that something like 20 scvs being pulled can be sustained, but still be considered an all in (and I would agree with that) because of mules. To be honest, I just personally think that the term all in is bad just because it always is used to discredit the person who is using it. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, but it seems that so many people don't accept "all ins" as a legitimate strategy. That was probably a bit unclear... but either way feel free to respond and let's just get back to enjoying these games! | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:39 Asha` wrote: errr, why am I tuning in to find 4 voidrays destroying MorroW's lair and absolutely 0 anti-air out? unscouted double stargate. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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city42
1656 Posts
On July 03 2011 04:40 Numy wrote: Minigun quite cheesy in this series. I guess vs Morrow that's smarter than trying to multitask vs him in a macro game. Countering mass ling/bane with air is cheesy? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
No man, he sunk all his money into a hidden voidray play and it worked. I'm not bashing him, I said it was smart. | ||
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j4ckd4v13z
United Kingdom98 Posts
2 stargate is fairly all in though, so I guess it's a little cheesy even though a good choice vs morrows composition | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
edit: aww no replay, unfortunate  | ||
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Nem0
United States134 Posts
Gotta love Battle.net | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Oh good, thankfully MorroW won =) | ||
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Herrk
Sweden271 Posts
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