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FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
June 01 2011 03:03 GMT
#3301
On June 01 2011 12:01 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:59 JKira wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:47 TT1 wrote:
gogo root, its puzzling how they're still not getting any sponsorship support yet.. theyre doing so well in individual/clanleagues and have a huge fanbase compared to the majority of other teams

makes me really sad =/


Wait, I thought they got a bunch of sponsors that were announced around MLG Dallas? Or am I mixing that up with one of the April Fools posts? I know there was one about them being sponsored by Root Beer, but I thought there was an actual legit thread.


Justin.tv, IGN and Pokerstars sponsored them (though pokerstars is currently in some legal trouble), also Kiwikaki got a personal Sponsor in Dr Pepper for MLG Events.


If you really don't give a shit what you chew- make it Dr. Pepper.
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
June 01 2011 03:04 GMT
#3302
On June 01 2011 11:58 Probe1 wrote:
Thats taking away the defenders advantage isn't it Monsieur? You gotta rely on whatever you can to win and we all know its hard to be the one attacking and reinforcing. Yeah there is a lot of uncertainty but Zerg could have made a small pack of 10 lings and ran to scout the nexus to see if it was going to be canceled or not- and even better run into the base and do damage.

Zergs forget what backstabbing is some days. Its not a coinflip its a stagnant idea of playstyle where without 80 drones you lose. Without 80 drones immediately you lose. You can play differently. You can say, not go banelings and use zerglings to drain sentry energy by attacking from multiple directions at once. Theres a lot of ways to play and I hear this BM about coin flips when Zerg plays passively and lets protoss attack.

Its a long long trip from the Nexus to the Hatch. Make it last for them.

there's actually little/no defenders advantage because of warpgate, though... and if you make as many units as you can right when he cancels, you still won't be able to make enough in time - there are plenty of examples of this.

you can't backstab a protoss main when they can warp in a single zealot and complete their wall. draining sentry energy with zerglings is a nice idea but the amount of drones you lose by making those zerglings hurts a lot more than the energy he loses off the sentries.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 03:05:48
June 01 2011 03:04 GMT
#3303
On June 01 2011 12:00 1Eris1 wrote:
Just dumb of EG to send a zerg for that map


EG seems to be hurting at the moment. Maybe they pulled Incontrol from casting because they needed him. Demuslim doesn't seem to be doing much for EG, LzGamer shows himself only rarely, Axslav has a hard time with PvP, and StrifeCro is just out of practice. Their 2v2 team hasn't been doing well, either. IdrA is basically their lynch pin in these team leagues.
Scrandom
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada2819 Posts
June 01 2011 03:05 GMT
#3304
On June 01 2011 12:03 xbankx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:51 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:49 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:41 antilyon wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:38 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.

And Lockdown only worked on more than 2 units if you had god-like micro.


Not to mention it required 100 energy PER UNIT.



I merely just listed all ability that removed micro from the game. No one said they had to be equally good or bad.


Except lockdown added micro because if you saw the other terran going ghosts you could counter with medics which were cheaper, faster to make and a lower focus priority.

Stasis was countered by preparing for the wear-off and engaging immediately after.

I'm simply stating your statements are wrong, to bring them up is simply stupid if you don't know how they work.

That's why I'm not commenting on the balance of Fungal/Forcefield because I don't know all of their intricacies yet.


Ok, who in which pro game countered ghost with medic. The only player that used medic for blind in a few games was Really from estro when he used medics against obs to make his mines better ie his game versus Janbi.

Stasis are not countered by preparing for wearoff. Stasis is countered by emp+ or slow spread out push. I really don't like people talking out of their ass about BW shit they don't understand.

Stasis does remove micro so don't try to reason that. Also just because you can fight it with emp doesn't mean it doesn't stop micro. Just as you can feign with roaches to force preemptive ff.


You are backpedaling quite well from your initial comment, well done.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 01 2011 03:06 GMT
#3305
On June 01 2011 12:03 xbankx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:51 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:49 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:41 antilyon wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:38 d(O.o)a wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:20 xbankx wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:18 bluestuff wrote:
forcefields are just abysmal from a game design perspective, and completly mitigating the micro from the player facing them


So does stasis from broodwar, lockdown from broodwar


Please say you're joking, units that are stasis'd cannot be attacked, units blocked by forcefields stack for collo to kill them faster. Stasis is also less available.

Lockdown ONLY worked on mechanical units, was on an expensive unit that did little other good, and took a huge amount of tech to obtain.

Don't talk about things you don't understand.

And Lockdown only worked on more than 2 units if you had god-like micro.


Not to mention it required 100 energy PER UNIT.



I merely just listed all ability that removed micro from the game. No one said they had to be equally good or bad.


Except lockdown added micro because if you saw the other terran going ghosts you could counter with medics which were cheaper, faster to make and a lower focus priority.

Stasis was countered by preparing for the wear-off and engaging immediately after.

I'm simply stating your statements are wrong, to bring them up is simply stupid if you don't know how they work.

That's why I'm not commenting on the balance of Fungal/Forcefield because I don't know all of their intricacies yet.


Ok, who in which pro game countered ghost with medic. The only player that used medivac for blind in a few games was Really from estro when he used medics against obs to make his mines better ie his game versus Janbi.

Stasis are not countered by preparing for wearoff. Stasis is countered by emp+ or slow spread out push. I really don't like people talking out of their ass about BW shit they don't understand.

Stasis does remove micro so don't try to reason that. Also just because you can fight it with emp doesn't mean it doesn't stop micro. Just as you can feign with roaches to force preemptive ff.


I was giving an example of the only time you ever see lockdown which is battle cruiser in tvt, occasionally you'll see it in a tvp, but that's generally only against carriers. Go watch old TvT vods.

As for stasis, yet again I was giving an example, you weren't talking about the actual casting of stasis, obviously you don't intend for it to be cast but what I assumed you meant as it was the only thing that would make sense for your argument is after the stasis has gone off and the best answer for that is to protect your stasis'd units if they're not a negligible amount.

You talk about talking out of my ass about BW shit I don't understand, I've been playing broodwar for 11 years and watching pro-bw for nearly as long, who are you?
Hi.
greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
June 01 2011 03:08 GMT
#3306
Drewbie's signature no-army build...
http://i.imgur.com/N3ujB.png
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
June 01 2011 03:10 GMT
#3307
On June 01 2011 04:32 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 00:17 Elem wrote:
Why would he go to FXO? He seems to enjoy Dignitas and it's not like Dignitas is a bad team. Going to FXO wouldn't make him take a big step up and it'd likely affect his reputation negatively.


Unless there is some dirt behind the scenes I don't see Naniwa's reputation affected negativly (given he goes to Korea). And how is able to compete in Korea, in the gsl and the gstl not a step up? Select and Sjow in all honor but Naniwa will probably be able to play with a lot more players of equal or greater skill in Korea if he gets there. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy for him to stay in dignitas but I would understand if he does not. Also, what TT1 said.



I'd say FXO is a step down. Dignitas have the money to send him to Korea. And FXO doesnt have any player on his level, qxc is in a slump, moonglade havent been doing great either and the rest is well "meh" atm. Both SjoW and SeleCT is top notch players. I dont see any reason why he would switch.
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 03:12:13
June 01 2011 03:11 GMT
#3308
Yea I really don't get the lineup choices for EG. Should have put axslav on crossfire (where he's sure to get a terran... and he's quite good at PvT).

That would give both him and strifecro a better chance to get points...

I guess they were probably pretty limited with choices because of only these 3 being available...

Could work out for them anyways. Strifecro looking pretty good. Might have purposely put him up on crossfire just to land a terran.
dark fury
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden426 Posts
June 01 2011 03:13 GMT
#3309
TvZ is so predictable and takes forever :/
nodule
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada931 Posts
June 01 2011 03:13 GMT
#3310
I'm so tired of djWheat's gg button
KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
June 01 2011 03:16 GMT
#3311
On June 01 2011 11:56 JKira wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 11:44 Blasphemi wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:36 koolaid1990 wrote:
On June 01 2011 11:30 Blasphemi wrote:
This just shows the difference between Idra and Nestea. Idra is still doing the same stuff and whining that he is the 'better player' and should therefore win regardless of strategy in a real time strategy game. If he has Robo you don't get Hydras, it's simple, it doesn't work at all you will lost in 95% of games with Hydras as your dps unit versus Collosus Protoss, it has to be Infestors or Banes unless are endlessly ahead in supply.

Meanwhile in Korea Nestea is busy reinventing the matchup being creative and destroying far better Protoss players than Minigun.

LOL at all this bias. You have only seen nestea play in gsl. Nestea doesn't even have a 60% winrate on ladder, he gets mad at forcefields all the time. He loses alot. Stop thinking nestea is a god and is reinventing the matchup. Hes good. Thats all there is to it. Btw, if he has robo, you DONT GET HYDRAS? LOL what kind of retarded logic is that? are you telling me that you build roaches against immortals? LOL hydras are essential to immortals. The hard part is that the toss can choose if they want collosus or immortal, so its hard to scout and predict.


Players like Nestea take ladder extremely seriously.


Exactly.

1. Nestea has played off-race on ladder. Either he is dicking around or IM players share accounts with one another to hide their builds on ladder.

2. Nestea has said he plays worse on ladder to hide builds against GSL opponents.


Nestea said in an interview that he uses ladder to dick around and try new things, so I doubt he takes it that seriously..
MMA: U realise MMA: Most of my army EgIdra: fuck off MMA: Killed my orbital MMA: LOL MMA: just saying MMA: u werent loss
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 01 2011 03:16 GMT
#3312
On June 01 2011 12:13 nodule wrote:
I'm so tired of djWheat's gg button


I love it xD I want one
Hi.
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia1237 Posts
June 01 2011 03:16 GMT
#3313
On June 01 2011 12:10 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2011 04:32 nihlon wrote:
On June 01 2011 00:17 Elem wrote:
Why would he go to FXO? He seems to enjoy Dignitas and it's not like Dignitas is a bad team. Going to FXO wouldn't make him take a big step up and it'd likely affect his reputation negatively.


Unless there is some dirt behind the scenes I don't see Naniwa's reputation affected negativly (given he goes to Korea). And how is able to compete in Korea, in the gsl and the gstl not a step up? Select and Sjow in all honor but Naniwa will probably be able to play with a lot more players of equal or greater skill in Korea if he gets there. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy for him to stay in dignitas but I would understand if he does not. Also, what TT1 said.



I'd say FXO is a step down. Dignitas have the money to send him to Korea. And FXO doesnt have any player on his level, qxc is in a slump, moonglade havent been doing great either and the rest is well "meh" atm. Both SjoW and SeleCT is top notch players. I dont see any reason why he would switch.


FXO already said earlier in the thread that Naniwa isn't going to be joining their lineup.
Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is best. - Frank Zappa
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
June 01 2011 03:21 GMT
#3314
I don't get why painuser is so confused to why he didn't engage . He saw the seige tank + bunker knew it wouldn't work so decided to go back to macro xD
When I think of something else, something will go here
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 03:24:56
June 01 2011 03:23 GMT
#3315
The standard of play in this series is so poor.

Edit: That was the worst baneling control I've seen since I accidentally detonated on my own hatch and killed it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-01 03:25:43
June 01 2011 03:25 GMT
#3316
strife why would you put banelings and roaches in one control group? that was bad .


The standard of play in this series is so poor.

Edit: That was the worst baneling control I've seen since I accidentally detonated on my own hatch and killed it.


LOL! I have done that to glad I was not the only person to do that rofl :D.
When I think of something else, something will go here
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
June 01 2011 03:25 GMT
#3317
3-0 shut the fuck down
tofubeans
Profile Joined January 2011
United States794 Posts
June 01 2011 03:25 GMT
#3318
gg ROOT :D
Mephiztopheles1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
1124 Posts
June 01 2011 03:26 GMT
#3319
On June 01 2011 12:25 ccHaZaRd wrote:
3-0 shut the fuck down

Chill mate, Guuuuusfravaaaa...
Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
June 01 2011 03:27 GMT
#3320
On June 01 2011 12:25 ccHaZaRd wrote:
3-0 shut the fuck down

About to be 4-0? Hell YES!
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