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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:15 Dexington wrote: The fuck? He did a 4 gate expand and defended Idra's all-in. Get out. Idra is way too predictable on that map. This is the second time his roach ling "all-in" was straight up countered on Xel'Naga (first time was against Tyler). | ||
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SLTorak.Hobo
Canada67 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:14 MonsieurGrimm wrote: the one where minigun 4gated and then attacked with a zealot and a bunch of sentries It was never an attack. Minigun didn't committ to the 4 gate at all, in fact all he made was a 1 zealot and sentries before his nexus. It was pretty much a fake attack into a 3 gate expand, with 150 minerals spent on a 4th gateway that did nothing. The tradeoff was that minigun sacrificed a bit of his economy, but in return had more production potential against a roach / ling attack. Idra played into it and got a disadvantage. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:15 VPCursed wrote: he gives up way to easily I'm sorry but he had it lost. He lost his main army, toss was about to be on equal bases and minigun's army trashed idra's. The game was over this game was a game he had lost that the only way he could have possibly won was if minigun went afk. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
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Ezekyle
Australia607 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:16 PhyreHazard wrote: Why is idra just a moving into the ball with all the ff there... could have split the army in 2 and flank it... He tried that in the previous engagement. It doesn't work. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:14 Chicane wrote: You have never seen a player put on a bit of pressure? That's just good game play. He moved forward and instantly pulled back as he expanded. potentially sacrificing all your expensive as fuck units is good gameplay now? | ||
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bluestuff
Canada893 Posts
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TheLovingone
Mexico108 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote: well then why the hell did he push out with a fuckton of expensive units, and build an aggro pylon? the good old make nothing but sentries and try to kill the zerg build? you are trolling right? XD | ||
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NeonPeon
93 Posts
It's really frustrating, because he has adapted in several ways, but he's just given up solving that riddle. | ||
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A Wet Shamwow
United States1590 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:17 Xanderk wrote: Saying "impressive forcefields" is an oxymoron when you spam twenty of them at a time. impressive in the fact that you can spam them and win the game. i.e. "it's impressive that forcefields can win a whole entire game!" | ||
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Blasphemi
United Kingdom980 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:16 hi_0 wrote: I don't understand why people always say "sick FF's". All u gotta do is make sentries and then drop the forcefields, what could idra have done against that. FF everytime he wants to fight almost endlessly. Either burrow under the forcefields, get Ultras, get broods to make them attack head on or baneling drop over the forcefields. A Zerg has options and running your units into the forcefields is not one of them. | ||
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:16 Blasphemi wrote: Poor play by Idra. Consistantly head butting forcefield with his roaches. Burrowing underneath would have won him both games. This match really demonstrated the gulf in skill between Nestea and Idra. Roach burrow is actually pretty pointless in late game (it's good to hold off heavy sentry 4gate or 2 base pushes), but once it's the late stage - Minigun has technically enough sentries to forcefield on top of the roaches as they burrow (so they will be stuck while they are getting burned by Collosus) - reminiscent of Morrow's roach heavy PvZ. | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:18 MonsieurGrimm wrote: potentially sacrificing all your expensive as fuck units is good gameplay now? just stop rofl | ||
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Rifty
Canada76 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:17 VPCursed wrote: ye, i mean there is just no way idra could come back no matter what he did. so why try? rly? He doesn't even try. Minigun isn't a top notch player. He could have pulled a comeback if he tried. possibly Miniguns army was at the deathball stage. He could of pushed after that battle and won without micro. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:16 MonsieurGrimm wrote: well then why the hell did he push out with a fuckton of expensive units, and build an aggro pylon? the good old make nothing but sentries and try to kill the zerg build? He put on pressure with those units because Idra rarely makes many units at that point in the game, to force units (which worked). At that point he forced Idra to make a hard decision, go all in by staying on even base with Toss and making units, or make just enough to defend and try to extend the game by taking a third. On June 01 2011 11:18 MonsieurGrimm wrote: potentially sacrificing all your expensive as fuck units is good gameplay now? You don't always move out with your army with the intention of killing the enemy. | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On June 01 2011 11:17 imareaver3 wrote: If it was just pressure, that would have been true. But it wasn't--it was an MC 4-gate, and if IdrA had built any fewer units he would have died after the nexus cancel+warp-in+FF on ramp. What bugs us Z isn't that IdrA's later attack failed, it's that Minigun was able to play an all-in, see that his opponent reacted appropriately, and immediately about-face and switch into economic play without being behind. that by it's very definition is not an allin | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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