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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#641
On May 01 2011 13:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:23 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:22 DiaBoLuS wrote:
HasuObs fight management is simply nothing but perfect...

this style is SO hard to beat, but he does somehow oO

actually you crush it pretty easily by turtling up and just watching the minimap for drops.


ye, its great to sit on 3 base and try to defend it half as perfect as hasu does, while the Zerg goes up to 5 base and trades armys in battles with baneling drops into your ball...

rly, machine played the most effective style vs protoss imaginable, i have absolutly no idea how hasu did it

Bane roach corruptor does not "trade armies" with protoss, unless the protoss micros badly and lets overlords directly over their stalkers. 2 cannons in each mineral line was all Hasu needed to deter the bane drops after the first 1-2 times, and protoss can eventually take a 4th and be in a good position like Hasu.

Ofc it works, but it is not the "best zvp build that exists"
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Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 04:36:10
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#642
On May 01 2011 13:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:23 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:22 DiaBoLuS wrote:
HasuObs fight management is simply nothing but perfect...

this style is SO hard to beat, but he does somehow oO

actually you crush it pretty easily by turtling up and just watching the minimap for drops.


ye, its great to sit on 3 base and try to defend it half as perfect as hasu does, while the Zerg goes up to 5 base and trades armys in battles with baneling drops into your ball...

rly, machine played the most effective style vs protoss imaginable, i have absolutly no idea how hasu did it


Yeah this -___-

You turtle against that style, but not by choice, you cannot just walk out and do anything, Zerg has the entire map under his control.

It is much MUCH harder playing against this style than it seems, Hasu just makes it seem easy, Sen makes every other Toss look like a scrub when he does it on his stream.

It is a different style from the regular, you need practice, Machine didn't seem to be executing it quite as well.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#643
Ugh I was ranked 97th in the liquibet until Hasu vs. Machine, I voted for Machine
Anyway PvZ always entertaining.
Looking forward to this great PvP! Let's see if MC is still the king of this matchup.
o choro é livre
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 04:35:12
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#644
On May 01 2011 13:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:23 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:22 DiaBoLuS wrote:
HasuObs fight management is simply nothing but perfect...

this style is SO hard to beat, but he does somehow oO

actually you crush it pretty easily by turtling up and just watching the minimap for drops.


ye, its great to sit on 3 base and try to defend it half as perfect as hasu does, while the Zerg goes up to 5 base and trades armys in battles with baneling drops into your ball...

rly, machine played the most effective style vs protoss imaginable, i have absolutly no idea how hasu did it

you just squash the drops then push out while zerg tries to re supply and pick off expansions. With stalkers being faster than ovies you can always pick them off if you're paying attention.
emesen
Profile Joined October 2010
United States256 Posts
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#645
On May 01 2011 13:30 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:28 emesen wrote:
machine would have been better off dropping zerglings instead of banelings with hasuobs' immediate reaction to the OLs


Zerglings get cleaned up too easily. You want to drop banelings regardless, but not when HasuObs is sitting with his army and scanning the mini map. Like any drop you have to distract the player's attention elsewhere before doing it or it will fail.


yes banelings are better to drop.. when they can blow up a mineral line.. but with hasuobs immediately pulling away his probles plus warping in a couple of stalkers they were completely ineffective

yeah zerglings get cleaned up easier.. but they are far and away cheaper than banelings and would have been able to pick off a few workers
may the best of your todays, be the worst of your tomorrows
eAZy1
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada72 Posts
May 01 2011 04:34 GMT
#646
I'm pretty sure Gretorp is blazed out of his mind.
MattRz
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile1681 Posts
May 01 2011 04:35 GMT
#647
Hazu is so manner. Gotta love him
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake ♞
VenerableSpace
Profile Joined May 2010
United States463 Posts
May 01 2011 04:35 GMT
#648
another case of wc3 pro beating bw pro in foreigner scene. This seems to be trend.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
May 01 2011 04:36 GMT
#649
On May 01 2011 13:34 emesen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:30 Azarkon wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:28 emesen wrote:
machine would have been better off dropping zerglings instead of banelings with hasuobs' immediate reaction to the OLs


Zerglings get cleaned up too easily. You want to drop banelings regardless, but not when HasuObs is sitting with his army and scanning the mini map. Like any drop you have to distract the player's attention elsewhere before doing it or it will fail.


yes banelings are better to drop.. when they can blow up a mineral line.. but with hasuobs immediately pulling away his probles plus warping in a couple of stalkers they were completely ineffective

yeah zerglings get cleaned up easier.. but they are far and away cheaper than banelings and would have been able to pick off a few workers


Would have been awesome if he'd done infestor drops to fungal the probes, or burrowed the banelings to block mining for a while until an observer came over.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 01 2011 04:36 GMT
#650
Warcraft 3 players seem to really get protoss. I guess it is such a micro intensive race that it sort of makes sense. But some of the best protoss players are former wc3 players (Naniwa, hasuobs, kiwikaki etc.).
Fahrenheit14
Profile Joined April 2011
Scotland43 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 04:37:13
May 01 2011 04:36 GMT
#651
On May 01 2011 13:31 Monzterg wrote:
Gretorp seems like a really kind and heartly person so without beeing personal:

Gretorp, you just have to go - this doesnt work....


Got to disagree. I think Gretorp has improved incredibly since the first day of NASL and has made me lol many times tonight. The chemistry between these 2 has also improved greatly and I can only see it getting better from here
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#652
well, i pretty much like how Zergs realize the only way to crush toss is to let him dance...

may it be constant roachpressure on several different locations, muta techswiches or baneling drops.
So hard to play against, pretty much balances the matchup imo
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#653
On May 01 2011 13:35 VenerableSpace wrote:
another case of wc3 pro beating bw pro in foreigner scene. This seems to be trend.

him being a wc3 player or not is completely irrelevant.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#654
On May 01 2011 13:34 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:23 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:22 DiaBoLuS wrote:
HasuObs fight management is simply nothing but perfect...

this style is SO hard to beat, but he does somehow oO

actually you crush it pretty easily by turtling up and just watching the minimap for drops.


ye, its great to sit on 3 base and try to defend it half as perfect as hasu does, while the Zerg goes up to 5 base and trades armys in battles with baneling drops into your ball...

rly, machine played the most effective style vs protoss imaginable, i have absolutly no idea how hasu did it

you just squash the drops then push out while zerg tries to re supply and pick off expansions. With stalkers being faster than ovies you can always pick them off if you're paying attention.

Easier said than done
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#655
MC fighting!
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#656
well hasu's preparation seems quite meticulous as well. I remembered in TSL he said he was watching huk stream for a few days to counter him.

Now it seems he watched machine's replays as well. Others better be careful.

Sick sick micro too. It isn't easy to do what he did despite what anyone says.
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
May 01 2011 04:37 GMT
#657
Nicholas Cage into Yoda voice-switch lmao.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 01 2011 04:38 GMT
#658
On May 01 2011 13:37 Dommk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 13:34 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:30 DiaBoLuS wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:23 Serpico wrote:
On May 01 2011 13:22 DiaBoLuS wrote:
HasuObs fight management is simply nothing but perfect...

this style is SO hard to beat, but he does somehow oO

actually you crush it pretty easily by turtling up and just watching the minimap for drops.


ye, its great to sit on 3 base and try to defend it half as perfect as hasu does, while the Zerg goes up to 5 base and trades armys in battles with baneling drops into your ball...

rly, machine played the most effective style vs protoss imaginable, i have absolutly no idea how hasu did it

you just squash the drops then push out while zerg tries to re supply and pick off expansions. With stalkers being faster than ovies you can always pick them off if you're paying attention.

Easier said than done

These are pro players, they can handle it.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
May 01 2011 04:39 GMT
#659
Haha, revenge.
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-01 04:39:28
May 01 2011 04:39 GMT
#660
Lololol proxy gateways in MC's main. I love it.
MC doesn't scout his base, he is pretty screwed.
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