I'm tired today and to be honest I think if there was a day to skip GSL, this would be it. Only notable person today is Squirtle. Up-and-coming Protoss player who's shown that he's pretty solid, but hasn't been performing well in GSL. Biggest achievements: Win vs MVP in GSTL Feb Finals and IEM World Championship 3rd place.
Long time GSL Code S player ChoyafOu also makes an appearance as well as former Code S player HoSeo.Vanvanth.
What's interesting is that some of the unknowns actually have pretty high KR ladder rankings. Keen is #3, Noblesse (cutefOu) is #10, Coca (if I'm correct) is #20, Tassadar is #49. So it might be interesting.
Not much else to say. Hope some of them will pull off surprises. Only reasons I'm watching today is because I've got nothing else to do. Unfortunate because later on in the week I'll be busy, so I won't be able to watch some days live. Wish I'd been busy today though.
Poll: Tassadar himself is playing...
better show some amazing Zealot micro (14)
40%
as bad as stealing BoxeR's nickname (12)
34%
hope the noob get's pummeled (5)
14%
The time for Protoss has come(because MC wasn't enough)! (4)
11%
35 total votes
Your vote: Tassadar himself is playing...
(Vote): The time for Protoss has come(because MC wasn't enough)! (Vote): as bad as stealing BoxeR's nickname (Vote): better show some amazing Zealot micro (Vote): hope the noob get's pummeled
I'm tired today and to be honest I think if there was a day to skip GSL, this would be it. Only notable person today is Squirtle. Up-and-coming Protoss player who's shown that he's pretty solid, but hasn't been performing well in GSL. Biggest achievements: Win vs MVP in GSTL Feb Finals and IEM World Championship 3rd place.
Long time GSL Code S player ChoyafOu also makes an appearance as well as former Code S player HoSeo.Vanvanth.
What's interesting is that some of the unknowns actually have pretty high KR ladder rankings. Keen is #3, Noblesse (cutefOu) is #10, Coca (if I'm correct) is #20, Tassadar is #49. So it might be interesting.
Not much else to say. Hope some of them will pull off surprises. Only reasons I'm watching today is because I've got nothing else to do. Unfortunate because later on in the week I'll be busy, so I won't be able to watch some days live. Wish I'd been busy today though
I'm tired today and to be honest I think if there was a day to skip GSL, this would be it. Only notable person today is Squirtle. Up-and-coming Protoss player who's shown that he's pretty solid, but hasn't been performing well in GSL. Biggest achievements: Win vs MVP in GSTL Feb Finals and IEM World Championship 3rd place.
Long time GSL Code S player ChoyafOu also makes an appearance as well as former Code S player HoSeo.Vanvanth.
What's interesting is that some of the unknowns actually have pretty high KR ladder rankings. Keen is #3, Noblesse (cutefOu) is #10, Coca (if I'm correct) is #20, Tassadar is #49. So it might be interesting.
Not much else to say. Hope some of them will pull off surprises. Only reasons I'm watching today is because I've got nothing else to do. Unfortunate because later on in the week I'll be busy, so I won't be able to watch some days live. Wish I'd been busy today though
Yeah, I post that in the OP. Thanks for the effort though.
I'm tired today and to be honest I think if there was a day to skip GSL, this would be it. Only notable person today is Squirtle. Up-and-coming Protoss player who's shown that he's pretty solid, but hasn't been performing well in GSL. Biggest achievements: Win vs MVP in GSTL Feb Finals and IEM World Championship 3rd place.
Long time GSL Code S player ChoyafOu also makes an appearance as well as former Code S player HoSeo.Vanvanth.
What's interesting is that some of the unknowns actually have pretty high KR ladder rankings. Keen is #3, Noblesse (cutefOu) is #10, Coca (if I'm correct) is #20, Tassadar is #49. So it might be interesting.
Not much else to say. Hope some of them will pull off surprises. Only reasons I'm watching today is because I've got nothing else to do. Unfortunate because later on in the week I'll be busy, so I won't be able to watch some days live. Wish I'd been busy today though
Yeah, I post that in the OP. Thanks for the effort though.
No worries.. I was quite worried, because I figured since I'd done the LR for the past couple of days, everyone would automatically assume I would make the LR. And when I saw no one else had posted one, I figured I'll just do it since I'm watching today, even though I wasn't planning to. I'll probably be able to do tomorrow and maybe Wednesday. Then the following 3 days maybe not. But if I do decide to post it, I think I'll post my thread 1-2 hours in advance so it wont clash with someone else again.
On April 25 2011 17:45 ZeraToss wrote: aaaah damn, hoped a slayers guy would play today
Brown is a SlayerS guy
reallly ? wow, immediately rooting for him ,GO BROWN ^^ (his name is funny)
I'd like to see a clan with all the players named after colours lol.
prefer months. we already have july and august!
edit
or days of the week. whoever gets friday already has an intro song (:
Too limited imo lol, that's only 12 or 7 people. Got so many colours it'd be hilarious to hear the Street Fighter voice announce some of the more ridiculous colours.
What an unappealing lineup for todays matches. My only rooting interest is hopefully seeing Choya and Squirtle being knocked out of code A (hopefully for good)
I'm tired today and to be honest I think if there was a day to skip GSL, this would be it. Only notable person today is Squirtle. Up-and-coming Protoss player who's shown that he's pretty solid, but hasn't been performing well in GSL. Biggest achievements: Win vs MVP in GSTL Feb Finals and IEM World Championship 3rd place.
Long time GSL Code S player ChoyafOu also makes an appearance as well as former Code S player HoSeo.Vanvanth.
What's interesting is that some of the unknowns actually have pretty high KR ladder rankings. Keen is #3, Noblesse (cutefOu) is #10, Coca (if I'm correct) is #20, Tassadar is #49. So it might be interesting.
Not much else to say. Hope some of them will pull off surprises. Only reasons I'm watching today is because I've got nothing else to do. Unfortunate because later on in the week I'll be busy, so I won't be able to watch some days live. Wish I'd been busy today though
Yeah, I post that in the OP. Thanks for the effort though.
No worries.. I was quite worried, because I figured since I'd done the LR for the past couple of days, everyone would automatically assume I would make the LR. And when I saw no one else had posted one, I figured I'll just do it since I'm watching today, even though I wasn't planning to. I'll probably be able to do tomorrow and maybe Wednesday. Then the following 3 days maybe not. But if I do decide to post it, I think I'll post my thread 1-2 hours in advance so it wont clash with someone else again.
Yours for the taking. I haven't done a LR thread in a while and tonight I MUST stay awake so I guess I hit a perfect timing. Also, if you don't want to do a LR thread me or Asha would do one 15 minutes before the games, as I said tonight I must stay awake so I'm just making work for myself.
On April 25 2011 18:05 pdd wrote: This song would be pretty good if it weren't for the !(*$&!@^!^%#^ bubble noises in the background. I mean seriously... WTF MAN.
Oh and then there's rap now. Gosh. How they ruin okay songs.
On April 25 2011 18:05 pdd wrote: This song would be pretty good if it weren't for the !(*$&!@^!^%#^ bubble noises in the background. I mean seriously... WTF MAN.
Oh and then there's rap now. Gosh. How they ruin okay songs.
On April 25 2011 18:05 pdd wrote: This song would be pretty good if it weren't for the !(*$&!@^!^%#^ bubble noises in the background. I mean seriously... WTF MAN.
Oh and then there's rap now. Gosh. How they ruin okay songs.
OH MY GOD, CANNOT UNHEAR!
Damn you, I somehow never noticed that before. Song ruined now haha.
On April 25 2011 18:05 pdd wrote: This song would be pretty good if it weren't for the !(*$&!@^!^%#^ bubble noises in the background. I mean seriously... WTF MAN.
Oh and then there's rap now. Gosh. How they ruin okay songs.
On April 25 2011 18:05 pdd wrote: This song would be pretty good if it weren't for the !(*$&!@^!^%#^ bubble noises in the background. I mean seriously... WTF MAN.
Oh and then there's rap now. Gosh. How they ruin okay songs.
blub blub blub
/slap
omg that one hurt, actually i didnt hear it before i read your comment^^
Wow, first of all Moletrap hypes today like it's such an amazing day. Then Doa asks how we can not be hyped for today after today's round of K-Pop which probably just made me decide to skip future pre-GSL k-pop.
RAGE...
(ignore me. I'm in a rather irritable mood for some reason).
On April 25 2011 18:12 Kettchup wrote: Rooting for Brown today. And if Keen manages to knock Choya out of code A, I'll become a fan for life. Don't enjoy his play at all.
Seeing how Choya is currently coaching FOu it's possible.
On April 25 2011 18:13 pdd wrote: Wow, first of all Moletrap hypes today like it's such an amazing day. Then Doa asks how we can not be hyped for today after today's round of K-Pop which probably just made me decide to skip future pre-GSL k-pop.
RAGE...
(ignore me. I'm in a rather irritable mood for some reason).
/pat, watch the games, big cheer for Brown from the crowd.
One of the more interesting matches, Choya is...well, he's Choya, it'll either be something cheesy or it'll likely be a 2 base deathball. Keen is rumoured to be pretty sick, and he's been doing well on ladder lately for what that's worth, so hopefully he is able to at least put up a fight here.
Picking Choya due to experience, but hoping for Keen.
PvZ is a typically dull match up, but CoCa has showcased a number of interesting strategies in the past, notably taking down Squirtles Startale teammate Ace last season with some excellent drop play and a great Hydra bust.
Squirtle for his part (much like Yugioh) has my utmost respect for managing to requalify through the hellish Code B tournament, and has proven in the past that on his day he's a match for anyone.
I'll lean towards Squirtle due to the match up, but CoCa may make it interesting.
Noblesse will forever have my heart after that gorgeous ghost opening vs Maka on scrap station, and he looks like a pretty solid player all around.
Tassadar I have no idea about, but he's obviously a boss like his namesake since he exacted vengeance upon race traitor GuineaPig in the final round of the qualifiers this season xD
Rooting for Noblesse, but think Tassadar might take it.
On April 25 2011 18:24 Tachion wrote: why are so many top protoss incapable of putting zealots up front D: all of Browns zealots were caught behind his stalkers
They get stuck behind every single time you move. It's really easy to forget to fix them
On April 25 2011 18:24 Tachion wrote: why are so many top protoss incapable of putting zealots up front D: all of Browns zealots were caught behind his stalkers
It's hilarious lol, I watched sC vs Cruncher in the FXOpen this weekend and in both games Cruncher had zealots stuck in the back the whole fight, or at least, stuck until everything else was dead lol. Surely it only takes a moment to think, hrm, best get my zealots in the front here...
ah well, Banbans actually handled his blink play pretty well, getting a key snipe earlier and then a huge concave when Brown tried to push
And then all Banban has to do is get a robo and a warp prism, elevator everything and warp in the high ground, there is nothing Brown can do to hold that off.
Brown actually played a really, really good game... I dont know why you guys are critisizing this. He did a brilliant strategy, held off the 4gate, managed to get a safe expand and then rolled his opponent.
Great last engagement from Brown, didn't panic and held back till his own Thermal Lance kicked in, and then sniped out the Colossus with phoenix while moving in with his own army and leaving his own Colossus free to roll.
Oh man, I'm kinda scared now that Blizz is going to mess with the matchup XD. I guess something still needs to be done, but that was a pretty unique PvP.
I think banbans just reacted very poorly. he had 2 zealots inside his opponents base, had he run them to the mineral line he could have gotten quite a few probe kills with only 3 sentries shining at them. instead he just tried to run them back out and they died to cannons.
On April 25 2011 18:37 Beyonder wrote: Brown actually played a really, really good game... I dont know why you guys are critisizing this. He did a brilliant strategy, held off the 4gate, managed to get a safe expand and then rolled his opponent.
On April 25 2011 18:37 Xkalibert wrote: slayers rocking. found a new counter to 4 gate
Actually a few players have been doing that for some time on ladder. Seen grubby do that a few times on his stream, dont know who really invented. He usually does from 1 base to defend the initial gate pressure.
Great with some innovation in this matchup, if the other player expands (which he tends to do if the other has a wall of cannons) you can just slaughter one of his probelines and get ahead.
TBH, if vanvan just went for blink stalkers and bypassed the cannons, it would have been GG as it would have been phboenix / handful of sentries v stalkers.
On April 25 2011 18:37 Beyonder wrote: Brown actually played a really, really good game... I dont know why you guys are critisizing this. He did a brilliant strategy, held off the 4gate, managed to get a safe expand and then rolled his opponent.
yep, didn't really see what he did wrong at all that game, he lost a few phoenixes when banban moved across the map but he had to so he could buy time for his warpgates and colossus
On April 25 2011 18:38 DarKFoRcE wrote: I think banbans just reacted very poorly. he had 2 zealots inside his opponents base, had he run them to the mineral line he could have gotten quite a few probe kills with only 3 sentries shining at them. instead he just tried to run them back out and they died to cannons.
1a syndrome.
Also zealots are very slow and kiteable (by probes). But they definitely could've done something better... I doubt the damage would be much though.
On April 25 2011 18:38 DarKFoRcE wrote: I think banbans just reacted very poorly. he had 2 zealots inside his opponents base, had he run them to the mineral line he could have gotten quite a few probe kills with only 3 sentries shining at them. instead he just tried to run them back out and they died to cannons.
well. that is true, but the phoenix killed a lot more then the zealots would have killed
This strat isn't viable on every map since most naturals are outside the ramp. Definitely works well on that map though and won it for Brown. Banbans did respond a bit poorly and never tried to fight off the phoenixes at his nat.
On April 25 2011 18:37 Beyonder wrote: Brown actually played a really, really good game... I dont know why you guys are critisizing this. He did a brilliant strategy, held off the 4gate, managed to get a safe expand and then rolled his opponent.
yes he had an innovative new strat but the execution was just BAD... + his mechanics.. (sitting @ 800mins in PvP??)
in my opinion he just won because banban reacted poorly too many probe kills wrong unit composition bad engagement/micro in the final battle
On April 25 2011 18:31 EternaL_9 wrote: Brown seems like.. low-mid masters level..
Masters players know cannons suck in pvp.
hmm, brown just won. . . .
You think banban responded to the cannons well?
Getting collosi?
While losing all his probes to phoenixs? Losing all your workers to phoenixs is terrible play no matter the race. He could've blinked past the cannons and won. He could've used a warp prism to dodge them and won. He could've expanded and actually protected his mineral lines and won. His response was crap.
i think Brown stra is well-thought out, he defend 4gate using cannons, and tech to air(phoenix) which can counter anything that used to break a cannon wall (e.g. immortal( pick up by phoenix), collosus( u just saw what happen), expo ( shut down).
I've played a few protoss in masters that use cannons and I really can't tell if it's good or not.. you can use it to get fast upgrades and more probes because smart people won't attack up a ramp with sentries and cannons :x.
However, I feel like the second you see cannons you can throw up an expo soo I don't know
I think transitioning into the 4 gate blink stalkers people do in pvp probably would have smashed that actually, blink into the main away from the cannons with pure stalker and an observer or warp prism for cliff vision
On April 25 2011 18:40 Cloud92684 wrote: This strat isn't viable on every map since most naturals are outside the ramp. Definitely works well on that map though and won it for Brown. Banbans did respond a bit poorly and never tried to fight off the phoenixes at his nat.
Can't fight phoenix with stalkers, they are too fast, hit and run etc. If you want to defend against that, u need a stalker mass that can 1 shot phoenixes, which is what he did at his main.. keep army there to prevent loss of probes.
On April 25 2011 18:39 Saiwa wrote: Shit, missed Game 1, what happned ? 4Gate vs 4Gate ?
Both 3gate I think, Brown went robo while Banbans went blink expand.
Brown decided to expand but scouted Banbans had his up for a long time so decided he needed to push, banbans sniped out a colossus with some good blink play, and then managed to get a massive concave up at his Nat to come out on top with some decent blink control and another Colossus snipe.
On April 25 2011 18:38 TheLovingone wrote: is always good see all the guys posting shit about a player SHUT THE FUCK UP..
User was warned for this post
Surprised you didn't get banned right away. Guess TL is merciful and gives people 1 warning at least
On a side point - yea I totally agree with all the comments: that this is a SICK 'build by Brown, but also BanBans having no.clue. at how to respond to a cannon-in. I feel he could have tried something at least... maybe getting a fast observer? Like build a robo right next to the pylon he had in front of Brown's base, get an observer and get blink (Just hypothesising). I'm thinking: bypass the cannons? I dunno. Anyone got some ideas throw it out!
lol, interesting PvP in game 2! Then 4gate wins game 3 TT
Brown wasn't able to keep up on the micro required to defend, too busy trying to maintain constant forcefields on his ramp to keep his stalkers away from the Zealots and as soon as Banbans was able to break the ramp it was over.
should have just done a defensive 4gate instead of that 3 stalker thing. i've rarely ever had it work against a 4 gate. and chronoing stalker would have been better just like the casters are saying.
Brown needed better control for that to work out. He was trying to make sure the ramp stayed FF'd, but every time he stayed on each casting sentry too long and didn't kite the zealots well. Really just needed to be faster switching to the sentries/back to the rest of his units and he might have been able to delay long enough to have an immortal out.
On April 25 2011 18:45 Asha` wrote: lol, interesting PvP in game 2!
4gate wins game 3 TT
Brown wasn't able to keep up on the micro required to defend, too busy trying to maintain constant forcefields on his ramp to keep his stalkers away from the Zealots and as soon as Banbans was able to break the ramp it was over.
i think no matter what micro he would have died. he had invested so heavily in sentries so his stalker count was very low.
You guys are silly. 3 stalker is one of the safest builds (although I prefer k4g) you have to get your 3rd gateway and robo FAST. He had 2 gateways vs 4 (when you should at that time have 3 gateways up and a robo pumping an immortal). Again brown just playing poorly
It's funny how cool and highly recommended game 2 was, yet when a guy who posted essentially the same defensive strat on here got his ass chewed for pages.
On April 25 2011 18:39 Saiwa wrote: Shit, missed Game 1, what happned ? 4Gate vs 4Gate ?
Both 3gate I think, Brown went robo while Banbans went blink expand.
Brown decided to expand but scouted Banbans had his up for a long time so decided he needed to push, banbans sniped out a colossus with some good blink play, and then managed to get a massive concave up at his Nat to come out on top with some decent blink control and another Colossus snipe.
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4gaaatteee
Not looking good for Brown
Ty, but shit, i thooght i just missed one game but apperently i missed two ...
He played that horribly. He had three stalkers and let the probe sneak up to his ramp, what did he think was going to happen?
Why do people try to do the 3 stalker rush, it's fucking horrible. Your GSL life lies on the line, a grossly hard qualification system and you spend your last game like that. What happened
On April 25 2011 18:45 LRObot wrote: So, what I'm getting from PvP is: you don't 4-gate, you lose.
And yet people refuse to 4gate. It's not the matchup that is wrong, it's the players. I am not saying the matchup is fun to play or watch, but players know what works and constantly go against it. I exclusively 4gate all my PvP and tech if there is something funky such as 6 cannons at the ramp. One Warp Prism would have won BanBan that second game.
On April 25 2011 18:45 dusthoof wrote: Does this mean that HoSeo can participate in GSTL?
i think it's the teams with the most points that participate. points worked out my how many players in codea/s and how far they get. so i'd say no not until they get more players in code a/s. this is just off the top of my head though.
The other thing Brown did wrong is that your suppose to have a third gateway + Robo buliding by the time the third stalker is out. :-/ complete fail on execution of the build.
On April 25 2011 18:39 Saiwa wrote: Shit, missed Game 1, what happned ? 4Gate vs 4Gate ?
Both 3gate I think, Brown went robo while Banbans went blink expand.
Brown decided to expand but scouted Banbans had his up for a long time so decided he needed to push, banbans sniped out a colossus with some good blink play, and then managed to get a massive concave up at his Nat to come out on top with some decent blink control and another Colossus snipe.
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4gaaatteee
Not looking good for Brown
Ty, but shit, i thooght i just missed one game but apperently i missed two ...
Game two was the forge vs 4 gate build ?
Yes, game two was a 1 gate forge into mass cannon wall off into stargate expand from Brown xD
On April 25 2011 18:45 LRObot wrote: So, what I'm getting from PvP is: you don't 4-gate, you lose.
And yet people refuse to 4gate. It's not the matchup that is wrong, it's the players. I am not saying the matchup is fun to play or watch, but players know what works and constantly go against it. I exclusively 4gate all my PvP and tech if there is something funky such as 6 cannons at the ramp. One Warp Prism would have won BanBan that second game.
phoenix would have killed the prism if brown pay attention and scout with them, so its actually a good stra
On April 25 2011 18:45 dusthoof wrote: Does this mean that HoSeo can participate in GSTL?
i think it's the teams with the most points that participate. points worked out my how many players in codea/s and how far they get. so i'd say no not until they get more players in code a/s. this is just off the top of my head though.
Speaking of the GSTL (OT), IM won't be in it this season and I am sad.
On April 25 2011 18:47 Yaotzin wrote: 3 stalker clearly isn't a safe build because 99% of the time pros try it they die horribly.
The other thing is even if you do what the build is meant to do and get the probe/pylon with the 3 stalkers, they can easily come back with another probe and bigger army.
On April 25 2011 18:45 dusthoof wrote: Does this mean that HoSeo can participate in GSTL?
i think it's the teams with the most points that participate. points worked out my how many players in codea/s and how far they get. so i'd say no not until they get more players in code a/s. this is just off the top of my head though.
Speaking of the GSTL (OT), IM won't be in it this season and I am sad.
On April 25 2011 18:47 Yaotzin wrote: 3 stalker clearly isn't a safe build because 99% of the time pros try it they die horribly.
The other thing is even if you do what the build is meant to do and get the probe/pylon with the 3 stalkers, they can easily come back with another probe and bigger army.
Yup. It's just a pointless build really. Does one thing only and it doesn't even do it well.
I dunno why people don't do the earlier gates 4z/5stalker or so at 5:25 build. Better at stopping the offensive 4gate :/
I dont get why people like Browns build so much from Game 2, it's actually a terrible build imo. The only reason it worked so well was because Vanvanths obviously didn't know how to respond.
If you are 4 gateing and see your opponent getting 5 cannons to defend (Much more costly than the 4 gate) all you do is laugh, expand (on Crevass take the 2 gas expo) and get a couple cannons in your mineral lines. The ONLY thing the person who went 5 cannon defense can do to stay in the game after that much resources invested in static Defense is DT's or Phenix (both of which are countered by a cannon in the mineral lines with a couple stalkers).
On April 25 2011 18:45 dusthoof wrote: Does this mean that HoSeo can participate in GSTL?
i think it's the teams with the most points that participate. points worked out my how many players in codea/s and how far they get. so i'd say no not until they get more players in code a/s. this is just off the top of my head though.
Speaking of the GSTL (OT), IM won't be in it this season and I am sad.
Why?
I think they will end up in it. They recruited IMNuts and it put them over in the top 8 ( i think? )
It absolutely boggles my mind that Terrans rather lose a ton of troops to DT's, use dozens of scans and cannot afford mules rather then get a single damn raven :/
Choya's face after that nuke was so great. It was like despite how annoyed with himself he was for missing the uncloaked ghost, somewhere in there he could still see the hilarity in it all. Got points in my book anyway :D
I think Keen actually tried to nuke from the highground, but pressed to far away and the ghost had to run around and stand NEXT to the assimilator and actually STILL be able to nuke, even after running next to 4 high templars, that's just pretty darn bad from Choya.. :-(
On April 25 2011 19:02 eVITAERC wrote: most satisfying nuke ever in GSL!
I'm gonna give that to either TLO magically taking out an entire army of an opponent's Vikings as they just happened to fly through the landing or Rain (edit: Maka) ceremony nuking his entire army.
I'm really not seeing the value of DT play against terran. If they spot it, protoss just plays from far far behind. Trading a DT for a mule isn't worth it either IMO.
I do have to question, "What's so hard about getting a raven?" though.
On April 25 2011 19:04 Wargizmo wrote: I love Keen's style... the 10 million medivacs allowed him to out heal the psi storm damage. Great nuke play too.
On April 25 2011 19:02 eVITAERC wrote: most satisfying nuke ever in GSL!
I'm gonna give that to either TLO magically taking out an entire army of an opponent's Vikings as they just happened to fly through the landing or Rain (I think?) ceremony nuking his entire army.
This was pretty sweet though.
pretty sure it was Maka who ceremony nuked himself into oblivion
On April 25 2011 19:04 motbob wrote: More impressive than the nuke was the bio split.
mmm, to an extent it wasn't that too impressive - but it just disallowed protoss to get chain storms on a single ball. (which could have also been circumvented by better emps :x)
On April 25 2011 19:06 Lunchador wrote: I'm really not seeing the value of DT play against terran. If they spot it, protoss just plays from far far behind. Trading a DT for a mule isn't worth it either IMO.
I do have to question, "What's so hard about getting a raven?" though.
You don't always have a Starport and even if you do Raven's are expensive.
On April 25 2011 19:06 needmoreMicro wrote: moletrap is kiiinda annoying ~_~
Hey we can't always have Tastosis. Moletrap is quite the awesome code A caster.. gets me quite hyped up and nerd chills at the big moments If I had to replace one, it would be Doa.. kind of a boring voice is my only complaint T.T
On April 25 2011 19:02 eVITAERC wrote: most satisfying nuke ever in GSL!
I'm gonna give that to either TLO magically taking out an entire army of an opponent's Vikings as they just happened to fly through the landing or Rain (I think?) ceremony nuking his entire army.
This was pretty sweet though.
Pretty sure it was Makaprime that did the nuke ceremony in Season 2.
On April 25 2011 19:04 Wargizmo wrote: I love Keen's style... the 10 million medivacs allowed him to out heal the psi storm damage. Great nuke play too.
On April 25 2011 19:06 Lunchador wrote: I'm really not seeing the value of DT play against terran. If they spot it, protoss just plays from far far behind. Trading a DT for a mule isn't worth it either IMO.
I do have to question, "What's so hard about getting a raven?" though.
You don't always have a Starport and even if you do Raven's are expensive.
DTs are exponentially better if you do the hallucination warp in on the high ground trick. I do it on ladder all the time and even if terran scans my dark shrine the DTs will still do a ton of damage unless they cover their entire base with turrets.
On April 25 2011 19:10 Qikz wrote: Keen applauding himself. amazing.
It's actually not very strange in korean culture, to applaud yourself. It doesn't mean they are praising themselves but it's more of it seems bit rude not to clap while others are clapping. Yeah kinda wierd but it's a culture difference.
Choya you add colours to the previous GSL, but now it's time for you to go and put all your heart and soul into coaching fOu, bring Leenock back us pls.
On April 25 2011 19:10 Qikz wrote: Keen applauding himself. amazing.
It's actually not very strange in korean culture, to applaud yourself. It doesn't mean they are praising themselves but it's more of it seems bit rude not to clap while others are clapping. Yeah kinda wierd but it's a culture difference.
It was more the look on his face when he was doing it.
This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
Yes just be patient. They are having a break right now.
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
Not an issue, just wait for the next Match to come on >.<
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
Korean broadcast is showing commercials right now, this is just a placeholder 'til the action starts again
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
On April 25 2011 19:13 buMf00d wrote: This is the first time I'm actually watching the stream Live. All I am getting is a static screen announcing the third match, is anyone else having this issue?
Well the thing is that Keen already proved in the very first match that he can outplay Choya in a relatively standard macro game then after mixing up some cheese in the followup to surprise and simply kill Choya seems like a sign of an upcoming competant player imo.
On April 25 2011 19:17 Haee wrote: Well the thing is that Keen already proved in the very first match that he can outplay Choya in a relatively standard macro game then after mixing up some cheese in the followup to surprise and simply kill Choya seems like a sign of an upcoming competant player imo.
I believe Keen is currently 2nd only to MKP on the korean ladder
On April 25 2011 19:15 zelgadissan wrote: For those who thought it was an SCV all in, he was building a CC back at home...
Oh, and to those guys who responded to me earlier, after thinking about it I'm pretty sure you're right about it being Maka's nuke ceremony.
It was a 3rax version of the 2rax (with maka rax) pressure that MarineKing uses often in TvT, basically a mindgame (he acts like he'll expand fast like every single terran on this map tvp) then he rushes with 3rax and a few scv for tanking and putting a "countdown" with the bunker.
On April 25 2011 19:18 Lobo2me wrote: I remember SlayerSboxeR did something similar in one of his games kiling a poor Marauder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ncdu5OFGJOk
Anyone happen to have the korean version of this scene? I heard they went completely insane so would like to hear it :D
So I got back form the gym, have this 20 min window for launch at PC and whoa! the only game I wanted to see today has just started. Let's see if Coca has any crazy strat for ZvP
On April 25 2011 19:27 MrCon wrote: And here we go, coca wants to mAcRo even if he sees a big opening. Perhaps he's delaying a big push but I fear it's too late.
COnverting a military advantage to a economic disadvantage
On April 25 2011 19:11 Meastro wrote: It's a shame Fou is doing so poor lately. I really liked the team in the first 3 seasons.
I've always thought that fou is such a mediorce clan.leenock was potential 2,3 seasons ago. while sc's result is pretty stable,he didnt impress me in anything other than TvT (last season run was bracketluck and this May it's all about mirror) it's about time that fou will be wiped out of the gsl
this feels similar to my ladder games. i tend to get overwhelmed by massive roach hydra when im trying to push early (and fail). i think the game was over right there, when he didnt damage the third of CoCa and lost a third of his army without any tech behind.
Tbh I think we shouldn't take Zerg supply too serious. Roaches and Hydras aren't really worth 2 supply to be honest. You better see them as 1 supply and then calculate how much supply the Zerg would have^^
On April 25 2011 19:34 esaul17 wrote: Why would he not stay by his cannons and turtle? Clearly his only shot was to turtle and tech up in hopes to do a 200 food all in.
He cant turtle at that point. Coca has too much of a advantage, if protoss turtle at that point, Coca just gonna tech to drop and finish him off.
The lost of 4-5 sentry at the beginning really put him too much behind.
On April 25 2011 19:34 nihlon wrote: Where are the people telling Coca how to play now?
I'm here :D Seeing how the first fight at the xelnaga was close, it's pretty clear that without the blunder of losing all his sentries earlier, Squirtle would have just roflstomped Coca. The game turned out well for coca, but that was independent from his actions.
On April 25 2011 19:32 Beyonder wrote: 165 versus 80 supply "I just dont think coca has ennough!!"
Haha :D
Yeah, loled at this one too
Its crazy how much difference blink makes against what Coca has.
Very true. Double food difference and blink stalkers were still holding their own.
I think infestors probably would have let coca roll through on that first big attack wave. Why so many zergs just don't seem to want to do 47 damage to a clump of stalkers, root them, and disable blink boggles my mind.
On April 25 2011 19:38 bbQ4Aiur wrote: yea Coca had 160 food while Squirtle just got 80 or so , but it seems to me that the zerg army was a bit small, maybe most of them are drones ?
On April 25 2011 19:38 bbQ4Aiur wrote: yea Coca had 160 food while Squirtle just got 80 or so , but it seems to me that the zerg army was a bit small, maybe most of them are drones ?
They said 80 of that 160 was drones, so 80 supply for army (about 40 roaches/hydras)
On April 25 2011 19:37 IPS.Mardow. wrote: Tbh I think we shouldn't take Zerg supply too serious. Roaches and Hydras aren't really worth 2 supply to be honest. You better see them as 1 supply and then calculate how much supply the Zerg would have^^
Supply in general is just a rough guideline, the way people treat it like some kind of gospel is insane. Roach vs stalker is particularly bad, 150/50/4supply vs 125/50/2supply...
Dayum shame. He had the scout zergling right there to spot it, and didn't take advantage. I guarantee he will always run that zergling around the empty bases every game now.
One thing is if zergs hold off the early stargate pushes, they are able to drone up like no other.
On April 25 2011 19:44 Volband wrote: he let the hydra den finish... why...
yea why, ill laugh if squirtle lost this, he maybe too arrogant to let the hydra den finish? or maybe he thought the zerg only had 2 bases and he was confident with gateways units v 2base hydra?
squirtle attacks as protoss instead of camping 2 or 3 bases and a moving with 200/200. Making the better player win when you yourself are protoss is just taking an unnessecary risk these days lol
I can't believe squirtle lost this :O holy crap. 2 base all-in's 2 games in a row. he could have expanded incredibly easily during that void ray/phoenix harass.
Now that one was 100% Squirtle's fault. You don't send your entire army up to the watchtower. Reminds of...I believe it was Jinro's big win over Choya.
awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
You were definitely going to get code S. You had, BY FAR, the EASIEST quarter of the bracket but you blew it because you played like utter trash. Absolutely awful. I'm ashamed to be your fan right now.
On April 25 2011 19:48 Kavas wrote: O_O I have no idea how Coca won that. He heaves sighs of relieve.
squirtle didnt pay attention that's how, coca played good though but letting the hydra den finish and being afk at the xel naga tower is just embarrassing and definitely contributed to his loss.
squirtle literally only lost both of those games because small but stupid mistakes. don't get me wrong, they were stupid, but he honestly deserved both of those wins, and anyone watching that thinking coca won that is false. coca won nothing, squirtle just lost
On April 25 2011 19:49 RPR_Tempest wrote: Squirtle...dude.
You had code S.
You were definitely going to get code S. You had, BY FAR, the EASIEST quarter of the bracket but you blew it because you played like utter trash. Absolutely awful. I'm ashamed to be your fan right now.
Pretty much how I feel, been keeping faith with him for a while despite no decent results of late.
Wow,Squirtle played so bad it wasn't even funny,,, He got super lucky with the proxy stargate,destroyed the economy of Coca,forced hydras,and then... went 7-gate all-in??? Wth was he thinking??
On April 25 2011 19:49 Tachion wrote: I can't believe squirtle lost this :O holy crap. 2 base all-in's 2 games in a row. he could have expanded incredibly easily during that void ray/phoenix harass.
he didnt even need to, just kill the hydra den he would had won...
On April 25 2011 19:49 RPR_Tempest wrote: Squirtle...dude.
You had code S.
You were definitely going to get code S. You had, BY FAR, the EASIEST quarter of the bracket but you blew it because you played like utter trash. Absolutely awful. I'm ashamed to be your fan right now.
It was just a blunder, stop being so harsh, he will be back next season.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
His peformance on GSTL was mainly against terran, the zerg game he had it was a very weird game against nestea where he fast expo and attacked with 3 gates + 1 stargate before his expo could be used. ZvP is not exactly his MU.
On April 25 2011 19:49 RPR_Tempest wrote: Squirtle...dude.
You had code S.
You were definitely going to get code S. You had, BY FAR, the EASIEST quarter of the bracket but you blew it because you played like utter trash. Absolutely awful. I'm ashamed to be your fan right now.
It was just a blunder, stop being so harsh, he will be back next season.
Just a blunder? it was a series of blunders in consistent fashion, he bottled under the pressure and choked. I want him to come back as much as anybody and I hope he will.
On April 25 2011 19:48 Kavas wrote: O_O I have no idea how Coca won that. He heaves sighs of relieve.
Coca's macro was pretty good. But I think Squirtle messed up big time. He just didn't seem to be making smart decisions.
Letting zerglings into his base, not building up his ground army earlier while harassing with Void Rays and Phoenixes and not building the Forge first while his Nexus was being blocked. (He floated up till about 500-600 minerals because of that drone).
On April 25 2011 19:49 dusthoof wrote: Squirtle, Ace. Maybe IEM is too easy.
I watched all games in the IEM and Squirtle wasn't that impressive at all. He barely made it out of the group stage and barely won against Idra and got knocked out in the next round. Ace was more impressive but still, people was just too focused on the OMG KOREANS ARE OWNING FOREIGNERS that they didn't pay attention to the quality of the games.
On April 25 2011 19:49 dunc wrote: Squirtle and Ace are SO MUCH better than this. Jesus christ, do they choke in individual leagues or what? His PvZ is so good usually, poor Squirtle.
Actually they aren't better then this. Just overhyped and overrated because of one tournament. Although every other time they lose pretty badly in Ro32 Code A 3 times.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Yes, Squirtle is gone! Hopefully we can finally put to bed the notion that Squirtle is an elite player. I still remember when people were calling him a top 10 player in the world after he sniped MVP in the gstl.
CoCa was too good. Stargate into 2 base mass gateways is viable and in most cases will let you attack the zerg's 3rd base. However CoCa has amazing macro. Using a timing attack such as that puts the game in the zerg's hands, and turns out CoCa was up to the task.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Alpina wrote: Squirtle just made too many mistakes. his army control ir pretty bad ;/
also not true, he only lost because he met the armies in stupid places. mistakes he would only make once in his life. it wasn't like his micro in actual battles were off, he just met the armies in first game with half his army and in second game against a choke that clearly couldn't fight in. stupid? yes. does it say anything about his skill? not at all, maybe u could say bad under pressure
On April 25 2011 19:49 dunc wrote: Squirtle and Ace are SO MUCH better than this. Jesus christ, do they choke in individual leagues or what? His PvZ is so good usually, poor Squirtle.
Actually they aren't better then this. Just overhyped and overrated because of one tournament. Although every other time they lose pretty badly in Ro32 Code A 3 times.
Squirtle was hyped before IEM because of the gstl, which was the reason he was invited imo.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Alpina wrote: Squirtle just made too many mistakes. his army control ir pretty bad ;/
also not true, he only lost because he met the armies in stupid places. mistakes he would only make once in his life. it wasn't like his micro in actual battles were off, he just met the armies in first game with half his army and in second game against a choke that clearly couldn't fight in. stupid? yes. does it say anything about his skill? not at all, maybe u could say bad under pressure
It's strange, because we've seen Squirtle play better than this (and Ace also). But yet, they seem so vulnerable and sloppy in the GSLs that you would think they're terrible
On April 25 2011 19:49 dunc wrote: Squirtle and Ace are SO MUCH better than this. Jesus christ, do they choke in individual leagues or what? His PvZ is so good usually, poor Squirtle.
Actually they aren't better then this. Just overhyped and overrated because of one tournament. Although every other time they lose pretty badly in Ro32 Code A 3 times.
wow put ur jealousy aside and stop hating... overrated because of 1 tournemant? did u miss GsTL? IEM? grow up...
On April 25 2011 19:57 Azzur wrote: Really disliked that terran contain thing...
Its not a contain, Nobless wants to early expand so he put pressure on Protoss early. He by no means wants to contain or end the game with that bunker. He just wants easy time set up his expansion. Too bad for him, Tassadar the Protoss legend response perfectly by flawless excution of blink stalker.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Alpina wrote: Squirtle just made too many mistakes. his army control ir pretty bad ;/
also not true, he only lost because he met the armies in stupid places. mistakes he would only make once in his life. it wasn't like his micro in actual battles were off, he just met the armies in first game with half his army and in second game against a choke that clearly couldn't fight in. stupid? yes. does it say anything about his skill? not at all, maybe u could say bad under pressure
It's strange, because we've seen Squirtle play better than this (and Ace also). But yet, they seem so vulnerable and sloppy in the GSLs that you would think they're terrible
i mean he played a little sloppy, but he definitely had the advantage in both games. I'll put it this way, if i had lost that way in a tourney, i would be pissed at myself for losing, but it wouldn't ruin the confidence i had of my skill, and thats probably why squirtle didn't look too bothered.
but i completely agree, he needs to control those nerves so he doesn't make stupid mistakes. he will be back tho
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
Weird DT play, considering he'd already scouted the wall-in. Gambling on the terran not having scans and also not pulling SCVs to repair in time is...not very good.
On April 25 2011 20:07 Scarmony wrote: terran 1 base builds seem to be very strong. he didnt even place the pdd. hard to counter when youre not on the robo/colossus tech route.
On April 25 2011 20:07 FarbrorAbavna wrote: good push by noblesse, cant decide on wether to pull all those scv's was necessary though.
they were, the bunkers are necessary to either force a premature engagement by the protoss, or to have these bunkers up and an additional advantage. the push comes without stim, because stim is lategame now -_-
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
he saw that there was speedlings on the way, so he knew that he wasn't rushing roaches, and if u don't rush roaches, then a bust won't work. watch almost any of huks gsl games where ppl all in him with roaches, an all in roach rush actually failed against his cannons, and as someone that has had to deal with roaches against FE, its not too effective
On April 25 2011 20:07 Scarmony wrote: terran 1 base builds seem to be very strong. he didnt even place the pdd. hard to counter when youre not on the robo/colossus tech route.
any one base push against an expand is strong since you end up with more units than your opponent.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
he saw that there was speedlings on the way, so he knew that he wasn't rushing roaches, and if u don't rush roaches, then a bust won't work. watch almost any of huks gsl games where ppl all in him with roaches, an all in roach rush actually failed against his cannons, and as someone that has had to deal with roaches against FE, its not too effective
obviously he saw no roaches, as the point is he didn't made roaches. Huk lost like 2 or 3 times against roaches bust in GSL, and he didn't even nexus first. Here the P build is nexus, forge, canon, gate. It's a bo loss if the Z just plant a roach den after his pool.
Noblesse shut that down super hard due to Tassadar's terrible voidray micro, but then poor viking control stops him cleaning up the voidrays entirely lol ><
Now...will either expand or is it just going to be an all in momentarily
On April 25 2011 20:07 Scarmony wrote: terran 1 base builds seem to be very strong. he didnt even place the pdd. hard to counter when youre not on the robo/colossus tech route.
starting to wonder if any one of these actually has what it takes to get into code s and most of all if they actually deserve it should they somehow manage to. But one set of bo3 doesnt prove much, so will be interesting the rounds to come.
On April 25 2011 20:07 Scarmony wrote: terran 1 base builds seem to be very strong. he didnt even place the pdd. hard to counter when youre not on the robo/colossus tech route.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
he saw that there was speedlings on the way, so he knew that he wasn't rushing roaches, and if u don't rush roaches, then a bust won't work. watch almost any of huks gsl games where ppl all in him with roaches, an all in roach rush actually failed against his cannons, and as someone that has had to deal with roaches against FE, its not too effective
obviously he saw no roaches, as the point is he didn't made roaches. Huk lost like 2 or 3 times against roaches bust in GSL, and he didn't even nexus first. Here the P build is nexus, forge, canon, gate. It's a bo loss if the Z just plant a roach den after his pool.
my point was that he scouted no roach and thats why u didn't see him react to them. i thought that might have been why u thought it would work, because what he had at his base obviously couldn't handle roaches. My point is that he scouted at the right time and if he had intel that suggested roaches he would react with enough cannons to hold, and the reason huk lost those other games is because he assumed no roaches
Remember when the qualifiers were announced and so many people were freaking out about the number of protoss making it through? The 3 remaining protoss left in code A must now beat Bomber, Ryung, and Keen (3rd in KOR ladder), respectively, just to make the up and down matches.
On April 25 2011 19:49 Scarmony wrote: awesome comeback by CoCa ! shows us how zerg needs to react vs. that kind of play. even though his back was against the wall he controlled it very good. i feel like squirtle might be a little bit overrated since his first GSTL showing.
I really don't agree. Coca won both because of Squirtle mistake. In both games coca open speedlings vs nexus gate. That means Coca can have 10 roaches + an endless stream of roaches at Squirtle front door while Squirtle will only have one zealot and 2 canons. Failing to alter your build to take advantage of that is terrible imo, and it's very result oriented to say that coca played that well (even if some parts of his play were great)
Roach bust vs protoss FE only works if protoss player doesn't prepare for it.
Hum, no ? Roaches bust works nearly 100% of the time when the zerg open speedlings against nexus gate. Even against 5 canons it works (and that's the only thing the P can "prepare"). Just watch the timings.
he saw that there was speedlings on the way, so he knew that he wasn't rushing roaches, and if u don't rush roaches, then a bust won't work. watch almost any of huks gsl games where ppl all in him with roaches, an all in roach rush actually failed against his cannons, and as someone that has had to deal with roaches against FE, its not too effective
obviously he saw no roaches, as the point is he didn't made roaches. Huk lost like 2 or 3 times against roaches bust in GSL, and he didn't even nexus first. Here the P build is nexus, forge, canon, gate. It's a bo loss if the Z just plant a roach den after his pool.
my point was that he scouted no roach and thats why u didn't see him react to them. i thought that might have been why u thought it would work, because what he had at his base obviously couldn't handle roaches. My point is that he scouted at the right time and if he had intel that suggested roaches he would react with enough cannons to hold, and the reason huk lost those other games is because he assumed no roaches
Ok, I understand better now (but still respectfully disagree. Unless he puts like 10 canons, it's just impossible to stop, and he has no way to scout the presence of a warren anyway)
I hope tomorrow's games are better. Not really impressed by the line-up tomorrow either. Group G's a group of wash outs and July's the only one who's looking solid recently in Group H.
Just waiting till Wednesday where all the up and coming Terrans beasts are... (not showing any favoritism or anything, but it just seems like aside from Losira and Alicia, every other up and coming player to watch is Terran). MMA, Bomber, Ryung, Alive/Boxer. Really hoping we'll get to see the much awaited MMA v Bomber rematch from the last GSTL, so please don't let us down guys.
MVP in finals easy. This whole lower half of bracket is just WEAK compared to top of bracket which has MMA.Ryung Bomber who are all actually S material.
On April 25 2011 19:49 dunc wrote: Squirtle and Ace are SO MUCH better than this. Jesus christ, do they choke in individual leagues or what? His PvZ is so good usually, poor Squirtle.
Actually they aren't better then this. Just overhyped and overrated because of one tournament. Although every other time they lose pretty badly in Ro32 Code A 3 times.
wow put ur jealousy aside and stop hating... overrated because of 1 tournemant? did u miss GsTL? IEM? grow up...
Rofl, wow put your bias aside and actually look at their play and their consistency. They are only known for one thing, Ace for IEM, and Squirtle for the GSTL 1. List what they have done excluded the previously mentioned. They have consistency been knocked out of the round of 32 3 times in a row. Overhyped and Overrated, I'm glad they are gone.
On April 25 2011 20:44 pdd wrote: I hope tomorrow's games are better. Not really impressed by the line-up tomorrow either. Group G's a group of wash outs and July's the only one who's looking solid recently in Group H.
Just waiting till Wednesday where all the up and coming Terrans beasts are... (not showing any favoritism or anything, but it just seems like aside from Losira and Alicia, every other up and coming player to watch is Terran). MMA, Bomber, Ryung, Alive/Boxer. Really hoping we'll get to see the much awaited MMA v Bomber rematch from the last GSTL, so please don't let us down guys.
There are some very good Terrans out there it's just sad they have to knock each other out like BoXer vs aLive and MMA vs Hyperdub and two won't even get a shot at code S since only final 8 do.
On April 25 2011 19:49 dunc wrote: Squirtle and Ace are SO MUCH better than this. Jesus christ, do they choke in individual leagues or what? His PvZ is so good usually, poor Squirtle.
Actually they aren't better then this. Just overhyped and overrated because of one tournament. Although every other time they lose pretty badly in Ro32 Code A 3 times.
wow put ur jealousy aside and stop hating... overrated because of 1 tournemant? did u miss GsTL? IEM? grow up...
Rofl, wow put your bias aside and actually look at their play and their consistency. They are only known for one thing, Ace for IEM, and Squirtle for the GSTL 1. List what they have done excluded the previously mentioned. They have consistency been knocked out of the round of 32 3 times in a row. Overhyped and Overrated, I'm glad they are gone.
Well, Squirtle made it to the Ro16 in January. So, he got knocked out 2 times in a row...
On April 25 2011 20:44 pdd wrote: I hope tomorrow's games are better. Not really impressed by the line-up tomorrow either. Group G's a group of wash outs and July's the only one who's looking solid recently in Group H.
Just waiting till Wednesday where all the up and coming Terrans beasts are... (not showing any favoritism or anything, but it just seems like aside from Losira and Alicia, every other up and coming player to watch is Terran). MMA, Bomber, Ryung, Alive/Boxer. Really hoping we'll get to see the much awaited MMA v Bomber rematch from the last GSTL, so please don't let us down guys.
There are some very good Terrans out there it's just sad they have to knock each other out like BoXer vs aLive and MMA vs Hyperdub and two won't even get a shot at code S since only final 8 do.
I really hope I don't end up eating my words, but Hyperdub has been outclassed in almost every TvT he's been in. He just hasn't evolved much since GSL 1 and is still stuck on the 1/2 base mindset. If Hyperdub can lose to Rain, I doubt he'll be losing to MMA in a Bo3.
Oh and Hyperdub is also known for his uber epic TvT for the wrong reason -- the fact that he always ends up losing. (Xelnaga game vs TLO, Shakuras orbital command spam game against Boxer, outexpanded Metalopolis game vs MVP).
On April 25 2011 20:21 red4ce wrote: Remember when the qualifiers were announced and so many people were freaking out about the number of protoss making it through? The 3 remaining protoss left in code A must now beat Bomber, Ryung, and Keen (3rd in KOR ladder), respectively, just to make the up and down matches.
True, but it's mostly that the Terran kings have decided to come out and play in Code A That being said, I still wish it was a little more proportionate (though surprised even 4 zergs made it out alive).
On April 25 2011 20:16 Beyonder wrote: Haha, these casters are still so excited about casting that they dont notice bad games when they are bad. Understandable
Bad skill =/= bad to watch
Good skill =/= good to watch
Besides, it's not exactly good form to tell your viewers "Well, those were horrible games.. don't tune in to any more of this crap." ;P
I feel dumber and dumber every time i go for Squirtle in my liquibet. I knew even as far back as the first GTSL that he wasn't THAT good but i keep betting on him probably because of the "if in doubt, pick P, then T, then Z" sorta betting rule.
I was really facepalming a ton while watching Squirtle vs Coca, I mean what was he thinking following a stargate play up with 7gate against a zerg that got hydras already
On April 26 2011 01:26 lazyo wrote: I was really facepalming a ton while watching Squirtle vs Coca, I mean what was he thinking following a stargate play up with 7gate against a zerg that got hydras already
I was more dissapointed by the fact that he let CoCa build an evo chamber and a hydra den BELOW his Void Rays. I'm going to attribute this to nerve issues, the kind of mistakes we witnessed those games are not something people at their level would do, same goes with Tassadar.
That being said, the Protoss players dissapointinted and did not deserve Code S, I hope they can pull through in the future, but what was on display today wasn't at that level.
Personally I have felt Squirtle was always overrated the entire time... but I still feel like Ace is a good player. I am only looking at the game play I have seen of them. Either of them winning or losing a few matches here and there doesn't mean too much since we have seen a very limited amount of them... but Squirtle just hasn't impressed me much at all.
lots of bad games today. ONly enjoyed game 2 btw Brown and Vanvan Also don't know why Squirtle play so bad in game 2. Just kill every building in the main and get his third base, max colo and win 100%
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wow put ur jealousy aside and stop hating... overrated because of 1 tournemant? did u miss GsTL? IEM? grow up... 
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