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On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game . There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed. Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.
MC had the units, he just didn't know the critical little trick where you can lift your own immortals with your phoenix which cancels strike cannons. Imagine if he had done that and rolled thorzain, he'd look absolutely amazing.
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On April 24 2011 07:03 Zaurus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 06:59 Qaatar wrote:On April 24 2011 06:57 Niruz wrote:On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
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Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders? How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders? OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all. Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player. Sorry ^_^ Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds? wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic? Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/ Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics. MC sure had awesome mechanics, having 0 upgrades for half the games and apart from the tal'darim game he had subpar macro, and I'd like to see anyone under hard pressure still pump out scvs and upgrades which requires you to not queue a shitton of units but still have enough to defend, while microing his army to defend against said pressure Exactly. Out of all of the top Koreans I can think of right now, MC's mechanics are probably the WORST. Seriously...his micro is impressive, but his multi-tasking and macro aren't close to the best. I can literally think of 10 Koreans who have better mechanics off the top of my head. Watch the replay and watch the minerals count. He was going for so many tech so he cant afford to get upgrades. While thorzain was getting just 1 types of unit composition. Either bio or mech, so he could afford upgrade. If MC has gas floating around, then he is not utilising it, which mean bad multitasing and macro. BUT, he use them all, so it is definitely bad decision making on how to spend it, rather then bad macro/multitasking. he respond to drop almost instantly.
Come on man...being able to use up all resources is only a small part of macro, and multi-tasking encompasses a whole lot more than just being able to respond to drops. Believe what you want...MC played perfectly, but had terrible decision making. (/sarcasm).
Watch mvp's last game against luer in Code A. That's what I call good mechanics (multi-tasking in particular).
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This is slipping into Nani's hands,
Kas goodly TvT > Thorzains ok TvT, good preparation
Kas good TvP < Naniwas dominant PvT
Cruncher is a darkhorse in that his preparations has been very good throughout the tournament but, in reality, his PvP is only so-so. Niether Boxer nor Hasuobs has impressed me TvT/TvP/PvP.
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On April 24 2011 07:10 Warrice wrote:
need to fix the results page, it only shows the first 4 games of mc vs thorzain
^^ and maybe recommend game 5, dunno
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I know that Kas TvT is beastly and he is a huge favorite.
It will be extremely hard, but Thorzain is very very smart, who knows what he can cook up in preparations.
I'm not counting my chickens.
Thorzain vs MC has to be my all time favorite series in sc2 so far. Not only did my favorite player beat arguably the best player in the world but it was just so damn entertaining.
Game 4, I can't think of anything that even comes close.
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On April 24 2011 07:12 lord_ghostmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:05 27raven wrote:On April 24 2011 07:01 StyLeD wrote:It's alot harder to find a link in another language. You ever tried to look for a non-english song you heard on the radio\? Good luck with that. Ya because English is first language for everyone on TL. And MC doesn't speak English. And he hasn't got any friends among foreigners. (sarcasm) and neither of those replays show any recent games vs P, so yeah, he really could see his TvP style, yeah...
match against tyler and final against adel in the TL open.
it's just vods but you can have a good idea of what the dude is capable of.
and if the answer is that vods are not good to set up strategy ...
try to find a replay of mc lol.
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Thorzain's next step: 14cc double armory 2+2 timing attack.
This sounds familiar... oh shi!
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I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
Sigh...MC was in Europe when he played this. He got outplayed, tough luck, get over it.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
There was no real lag in this series as it was played when MC was in Europe.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
MC was in europe at the time and they were both playing on the same server, so there was no kor->eu or eu->kor lag going on.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
MC and Thorzain were both playing in Europe - there was no lag for either player.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
God damn it dude, at least read some of the thread before posting. MC played this in Denmark.
Edit: MC didn't play well in a couple of the games, sure, but it wasn't because of lag. He just...didn't play well.
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On April 24 2011 07:09 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game . There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed. Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push. Sounds like PvZ...
Not quite mass infestors own up col or thor ball quite well with NP. But allowing them to survive with HT/Ghost counter is another thing.
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Can't wait for the VODs to come out! Can't believe I missed it today 
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
Are you serious? What lag? They were both in EU when they played it. In fact they just played these games early this morning.
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
MC and Thorzain were both playing on the same server dude, there were no lag issues, they were on the exact same footing.
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On April 24 2011 07:13 Seagull_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game . There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed. Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push. MC had the units, he just didn't know the critical little trick where you can lift your own immortals with your phoenix which cancels strike cannons. Imagine if he had done that and rolled thorzain, he'd look absolutely amazing.
Thorzain had vikings to kill any air units
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On April 24 2011 07:17 sjschmidt93 wrote:
I have to say it wouldn't be close if not for lag.
MC relies a lot on his micro and it was clearly weak in that series. The forcefeidls and storms were hilariously bad at some points.
good part neither of the commentators said that mc was actually in europe when they played that games, so no lag....
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