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Zaurus
Profile Joined October 2010
Singapore676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:04:54
April 23 2011 22:03 GMT
#6341
On April 24 2011 06:59 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:57 Niruz wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
[quote]
L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.


MC sure had awesome mechanics, having 0 upgrades for half the games and apart from the tal'darim game he had subpar macro, and I'd like to see anyone under hard pressure still pump out scvs and upgrades which requires you to not queue a shitton of units but still have enough to defend, while microing his army to defend against said pressure


Exactly. Out of all of the top Koreans I can think of right now, MC's mechanics are probably the WORST. Seriously...his micro is impressive, but his multi-tasking and macro aren't close to the best. I can literally think of 10 Koreans who have better mechanics off the top of my head.


Watch the replay and watch the minerals count. He was going for so many tech so he cant afford to get upgrades. While thorzain was getting just 1 types of unit composition. Either bio or mech, so he could afford upgrade. If MC has gas floating around, then he is not utilising it, which mean bad multitasing and macro. BUT, he use them all, so it is definitely bad decision making on how to spend it, rather then bad macro/multitasking. he respond to drop almost instantly.
mholden02
Profile Joined October 2010
387 Posts
April 23 2011 22:04 GMT
#6342
What are they drinking in Sweden? TERRAN JUICE?
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
April 23 2011 22:04 GMT
#6343
On April 22 2011 13:17 motbob wrote:
(P)MC 3-0
PoltPrime 2raxed MC twice and now people are picking Thorzain to win all of a sudden? Come on. MC is still the best player in the world and Thorzain just played a TvP series against Tyler that MC can study. This isn't going to be close.

orly?
Kentakky
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1272 Posts
April 23 2011 22:05 GMT
#6344
On April 24 2011 06:50 dark fury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 gnutz wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? he is getting smacked by MC right now while thorzain was able to take MC down.

He is basically unexperienced in LAN-Events.

He play normally way better than this.

oh, so he is really a young talent? when did he arise to the pro-scene? must have missed him completley



Kas

Main Achievements:
41 entries, 3 pages

Achievements, he has them.


Think it's the most of anyone in sc2 to date, just that it's all online stuff and EU online stuff usually features good players. This is his what second lan? in Sc2 think he was at assembly not sure.
My immune system is so strong that I have to get AIDS just to be normal.
27raven
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic89 Posts
April 23 2011 22:05 GMT
#6345
On April 24 2011 07:01 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=


It's alot harder to find a link in another language. You ever tried to look for a non-english song you heard on the radio\? Good luck with that.


Ya because English is first language for everyone on TL. And MC doesn't speak English. And he hasn't got any friends among foreigners. (sarcasm)
Fralse
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden44 Posts
April 23 2011 22:05 GMT
#6346
Why is Artosis so handsome?! Cant wait for tomorrow, more Artosis ftw!
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
April 23 2011 22:05 GMT
#6347
Oh man I'm so happy that Thorzain won. I really don't like MC's personality because of how cocky and overconfident he is, and I really love Thorzain because he is really playing solid these days. I hope he wins the whole thing.
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Bluedraqy
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark496 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:07:24
April 23 2011 22:06 GMT
#6348
On April 24 2011 07:05 Kentakky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:50 dark fury wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:49 gnutz wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? he is getting smacked by MC right now while thorzain was able to take MC down.

He is basically unexperienced in LAN-Events.

He play normally way better than this.

oh, so he is really a young talent? when did he arise to the pro-scene? must have missed him completley



Kas

Main Achievements:
41 entries, 3 pages

Achievements, he has them.


Think it's the most of anyone in sc2 to date, just that it's all online stuff and EU online stuff usually features good players. This is his what second lan? in Sc2 think he was at assembly not sure.

I think he was at the ''IEM european championship'' also, the tourny/lan which Sjow won afaik
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 22:06 GMT
#6349
On April 24 2011 07:01 StyLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=


It's alot harder to find a link in another language. You ever tried to look for a non-english song you heard on the radio\? Good luck with that.


Stop making excuses for MC.
Really, just stop. He got outplayed, and you should get over it.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:08:24
April 23 2011 22:07 GMT
#6350
On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .

There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed.

Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.
MC for president
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
April 23 2011 22:08 GMT
#6351
Really did not expect thorzain to play so well, was great to see.
No I'm never serious.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 22:09 GMT
#6352
On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .

There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed.

Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.

Sounds like PvZ...
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#6353
On April 24 2011 07:09 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .

There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed.

Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.

Sounds like PvZ...

There is justice in SC2 after all.
Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
April 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#6354
Thorzain is god damn good, but hes weak in TvT and Kas is a monster in TvT its gonna be really tough for thorzain
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
April 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#6355
need to fix the results page, it only shows the first 4 games of mc vs thorzain
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
April 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#6356
On April 24 2011 07:09 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:07 tdt wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 raga4ka wrote:
I think mass Voidrays counter this Thor strategy in the last game .

There is no counter there is a thread in strat about it. VR's get wreaked by repairing thors who do splash. Zealots /stalkers can't do any damage to +3 armored up thor. Immortals get wrecked with cannon. HT used to be counter but mana bar was removed.

Counter is not letting terran get mass thor with a WG push.

Sounds like PvZ...


early pressure? and i mean not only pocking at the front.
especially on crossfire with the backdoor.
Ezekyle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia607 Posts
April 23 2011 22:10 GMT
#6357
Bahahaha. I've been saying factories > Protoss for ages, reading all the 'lol thorzain throwing last game' 'MC autowin' posts is so satisfying. :D
Assuton
Profile Joined November 2010
United States28 Posts
April 23 2011 22:11 GMT
#6358
Awesome games between Thorzain and MC
Chimpalimp
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1135 Posts
April 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#6359
Epic series between Thorzain and MC. I gotta hand it to Thorzain, he played amazing, just as he does in all of his TSL games.
I like money. You like money too? We should hang out.
lord_ghostmaster
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:16:59
April 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#6360
On April 24 2011 07:05 27raven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 07:01 StyLeD wrote:
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=


It's alot harder to find a link in another language. You ever tried to look for a non-english song you heard on the radio\? Good luck with that.


Ya because English is first language for everyone on TL. And MC doesn't speak English. And he hasn't got any friends among foreigners. (sarcasm)

and all of those show his momentary tvp style... oh just 2 tvp from the 09.01.2011...
so yeah it was clearly easy to get some replays (sarcasrm)

(if you want to prove someone wrong, do it the right way...)
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