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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:54:00
April 23 2011 21:52 GMT
#6301
--- Nuked ---
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
April 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#6302
On April 24 2011 06:52 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 Qaatar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? he is getting smacked by MC right now while thorzain was able to take MC down.


Kas "smacked" NaDa down 3-0. I don't think anyone would think that Thorzain (on equal connections) can do the same. His TvT isn't nearly as good.


I think most people haven't seen enough of Thorzain's TvT to be able to make that judgment.


It doesn't matter once you see Kas's TvT.
Hokay
Profile Joined May 2007
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:53:59
April 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#6303
On April 24 2011 06:49 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:47 Hokay wrote:
I love MC so I'm sad that he lost. That last game was disappointing. Watching 1 sided battles because of incorrect unit composition is ugly


That annoys me as well. Give credit to TZ for busting out the mech at the right moment though


I'll give him credit but that still doesn't mean I don't think that game was disappointing to watch. I hate seeing games 1 sided battles like this in SC2 because unit composition is so important over micro skills at times.
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:53:30
April 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#6304
What is Thorzain's team, anyways? I've never really heard of them. o.o
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
April 23 2011 21:53 GMT
#6305
Thorzain annihilated fruitdealer who is a person who contends with code S players

He destroyed Tyler and MC, not just because he had fancy timings, he just simply outplayed them.

Hard.

I'm sure thorzain will be giving kas a hard fight, especially since his micro is absolutely mindblowingly amazing and his decision making is incredible. With more TvT practice I can see thorzain being the best foreigner easily, hes already dethroned Jinro from being the best swedish Terran
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
April 23 2011 21:54 GMT
#6306
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
April 23 2011 21:54 GMT
#6307
On April 24 2011 06:48 Qaatar wrote:
Man, Kas' TvP certainly isn't as good as Thorzain's, that's for sure.

On the other hand, it's Kas' first offline tournament, so I suppose he's really nervous.

and that tournament started 14hours ago so no surprise that he cant play 100% after such long time period (not surprised mc can, since he doesnt do anything but play from morning till night)
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
April 23 2011 21:54 GMT
#6308
On April 24 2011 06:53 Tracedragon wrote:
What is Thorzain's team, anyways? I've never really heard of them. o.o


I think Nightend's in that team too. It is quite unknown as far as teams go though.
If you never try you never know. Sase - Mana - TLO - WhiteRa - Naniwa - Sheth - HuK
InsaneAI
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany76 Posts
April 23 2011 21:54 GMT
#6309
its Praetoriani
Stand up for what is right, even if you're standing alone.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
April 23 2011 21:55 GMT
#6310
Copenhagen finals:
+ Show Spoiler +
MC 4-0 Kas
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
April 23 2011 21:55 GMT
#6311
dammit, I missed it. Scores were
Empire.Kas 3 >1 Mil.Adelscott
Prae.Thorzain 3 >2 oGs.MC
right?

sad day for Protoss.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
April 23 2011 21:56 GMT
#6312
On April 24 2011 06:52 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 Qaatar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? he is getting smacked by MC right now while thorzain was able to take MC down.


Kas "smacked" NaDa down 3-0. I don't think anyone would think that Thorzain (on equal connections) can do the same. His TvT isn't nearly as good.


I think most people haven't seen enough of Thorzain's TvT to be able to make that judgment.


Just judging from the games that I have seen, (Rakaka and a few others), not impressed. Kas, on the other hand, impressed me a lot in his NaDa series. Sure, NaDa played like crap, but Kas played beautiful games.

I'll happily eat my words if Thorzain can beat him straight up.
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
April 23 2011 21:56 GMT
#6313
I say Kas will take on Thorzain.
Everhate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States640 Posts
April 23 2011 21:56 GMT
#6314
The big confrontation in game 5 was actually quite close, the thors that remained were all at low health with all the repair scv's dead. Yes, several of them lived through the battle, but it wasn't as 1-sided as several are indicating.

Those 2 storms that did so little to the vikings may well have been the difference.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 23 2011 21:56 GMT
#6315
On April 24 2011 06:53 dubRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:52 nihlon wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:49 Qaatar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? he is getting smacked by MC right now while thorzain was able to take MC down.


Kas "smacked" NaDa down 3-0. I don't think anyone would think that Thorzain (on equal connections) can do the same. His TvT isn't nearly as good.


I think most people haven't seen enough of Thorzain's TvT to be able to make that judgment.


It doesn't matter once you see Kas's TvT.


That's fine if people were saying Kas TvT is amazing, but they are saying Thorzain's TvT is his weakest matchup. That could be the case but I doubt the majority of the people here have seen more than a handful of Thorzain's TvT against competent opponents.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Niruz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6316
On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.


MC sure had awesome mechanics, having 0 upgrades for half the games and apart from the tal'darim game he had subpar macro, and I'd like to see anyone under hard pressure still pump out scvs and upgrades which requires you to not queue a shitton of units but still have enough to defend, while microing his army to defend against said pressure
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6317
On April 24 2011 06:50 crms wrote:
i liked that thor build. i love this series shows how close the top level foreigners are to the top koreans. this isn't broodwar my friends!

congrats thorzain.


Mos def. I seriously thought Thorzain was gonna get rolled 3-1. I don't think I've ever been happier to be wrong. Even if Thorzain hadn't taken the serious, he would have made me an instant fan. Definitely gonna be looking for his replays and casts from now on.
I'm a noob
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6318
I find it unbelievable people are saying Kas got this before it has even started, Thorzain went into these 3 series in TSL as absolute underdog and emerged victorious with brilliant builds and awesome mechanics. Sure Kas is more experienced and more tested (and i like him a lot), but I do think it can go either way.

Thorzain will enter prepared as usual and I bet that will be close series.
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6319
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

What's unfair for MC?
He could've watched Thorzain vs Tyler where Thorzain used the exact same styles
dunc
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands1105 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6320
On April 24 2011 06:54 Art_of_Kill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:48 Qaatar wrote:
Man, Kas' TvP certainly isn't as good as Thorzain's, that's for sure.

On the other hand, it's Kas' first offline tournament, so I suppose he's really nervous.

and that tournament started 14hours ago so no surprise that he cant play 100% after such long time period (not surprised mc can, since he doesnt do anything but play from morning till night)


Copenhagen spoilers
+ Show Spoiler +
Kas has like 6k ladder games without counting his custom games so I doubt he's not used to playing a lot..

That said I love Kas and he can play a lot better, it just seemed like MC was a bit disappointed with himself after his TSL performance and took out all stops to perform well in this LAN. I'm sad we didn't get to see his strong 6gate push in the last game vs Thorzain.
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