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Truefire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States226 Posts
April 23 2011 21:57 GMT
#6321
Kas's TvT is just too good I think, I don't see Thorzain winning against him but he could take a game or two.
MechKing
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:58:29
April 23 2011 21:58 GMT
#6322
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? at least his TvP seems sub-standard, havent seen his PvT.

Kas hype? Kas will literally beat down thorzain in TvT. His TvP is decent, and his TvZ is amazing as well. There is literally 0 hype for Kas, when he has WAY WAY WAY more results than thorzain.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 21:59:29
April 23 2011 21:58 GMT
#6323
On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.


Then in this case i didn't see any notable mechanics from MC in this series compared to thorzain they were even.

edit or explain to me what i've missed.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
April 23 2011 21:59 GMT
#6324
On April 24 2011 06:57 Niruz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.


MC sure had awesome mechanics, having 0 upgrades for half the games and apart from the tal'darim game he had subpar macro, and I'd like to see anyone under hard pressure still pump out scvs and upgrades which requires you to not queue a shitton of units but still have enough to defend, while microing his army to defend against said pressure


Exactly. Out of all of the top Koreans I can think of right now, MC's mechanics are probably the WORST. Seriously...his micro is impressive, but his multi-tasking and macro aren't close to the best. I can literally think of 10 Koreans who have better mechanics off the top of my head.
Rasun
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States787 Posts
April 23 2011 21:59 GMT
#6325
Wow game 5 of MC-Thorazain was so interesting.
+ Show Spoiler +
Thorazain breaking out mass thor was something I (and im guessing MC) was shocked to see, that push was so powerful and well thought out with the blue flames to take out the zeals and the raven for PDD and to detect the hallucinations. Wow so impressed with Thorazain
"People need to just settle the fuck down!"- Djwheat <3
Tracedragon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States948 Posts
April 23 2011 21:59 GMT
#6326
Wonder if Thorzain will play in GSL in the future? He seems good enough to.
Do the impossible, see the invisible. Row, row, fight the power!
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
April 23 2011 22:00 GMT
#6327
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Bluedraqy
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark496 Posts
April 23 2011 22:00 GMT
#6328
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 24 2011 06:51 Qaatar wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:49 Bluedraqy wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:41 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:34 jalstar wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 dark fury wrote:
naniwa or thorzain is gonna win this thing. sorry kas but thorz is simply on another level


Kas will rape Thorzain, Thorzain has great TvP while Kas has great everything.


This! I honestly think i would be happier to see MC lose to Kas than to Thorzain. Kas is a complete player, while Thorzain is just good on TvP with his upgrade timmings and non common army composition.

Protoss still didnt figure a way to deal efficiently with heavy thor build, yeah there are several possible ways to deal with it, but everyone seems to have a possible way and everytime there is a game with heavy thor composition usually you see something different from the protoss usually failing. It's strange why terrans dont use that more often.


Are you kidding me? Haven't you ever seen Thorzain play? not only is his TvP ''great'' his overall gameplay is fucking fantastic, his builds are like IdrA's, lasting more than 8 minutes into the game.
His games against Fruitdealer alone should convince you of his TvZ abilities.
Thorzain has said, and it's clearly visibly, that it's his worst matchup is TvT, but with the ability and skill to prepare for every damn match and map, Kas V Thorzain is gonna be bloody amazing...


Are you serious? FD played like GARBAGE in his series. I'm convinced of Thor's TvP abilities (beating Tyler + MC straight up is amazing), but I'm not convinced about his other match-ups.



Even though Fruitdealer played less than optimal, he was never even near close to beating Thorzain, since he's so damn solid, and just to tease you a little, I never said his TvZ was good or anything, I only stated that his games against fruitdealer alone, should tell you his skill level in TvZ...
But really, you have to admire his ability to prepare for every match he has to play?
From what he's shown so far, I am so excited for what he prepares against Kas, and I am even more excited about if Kas can possibly adapt to something unusual
secondparttohell
Profile Joined April 2011
13 Posts
April 23 2011 22:00 GMT
#6329
[image loading]

David vs. Goliath
ThorZaIn vs MC
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
April 23 2011 22:01 GMT
#6330
On April 24 2011 06:59 Tracedragon wrote:
Wonder if Thorzain will play in GSL in the future? He seems good enough to.


If only jinro could help Thorzain in TvT it would be awesome.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
April 23 2011 22:01 GMT
#6331
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
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On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=

Those games are like 6+ months old dude
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:02:33
April 23 2011 22:01 GMT
#6332
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=


It's alot harder to find a link in another language. You ever tried to look for a non-english song you heard on the radio\? Good luck with that.
"Even gophers love Starcraft" - Tasteless. || Davichi | IU <3
_Mittens
Profile Joined November 2010
United States168 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6333
MC losing sets up an awesome outcome from this tournament. Either A) Boxer wins the TSL, which would be so so great, or B) a non-Korean takes it, despite most of the powerhouse Korean players being in the event, which would be hugely awesome. Hurray Starcraft!
10or10
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden517 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:03:44
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6334
On April 24 2011 07:00 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:52 Xaax wrote:
This is quite unfair for MC where he can only rely on his instinct against a terran with a good mechanics and some awesome timing builds with no other games to show this other than the tsl and a few other sources. Thorzain may be overrated for now as we haven't really seem him play live yet, we have yet to see Thorzain crack in pressure ^^. Other than that Thorzain with incredible mechanics quite impress I am.

So hard to find replays.
http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays?filter-hidden-top-player-name=thorzain&filter-map=
http://www.sc2-replays.net/en/replays/?adv_search=1&all=1&name_1=thorzain&race_1=&name_2=&race_2=&race_winner=&map=&event=&rating_from=&rating_to=&sort=time&time=


edit: nvm, only checked the first link
|| @10or10 || 이영호 이제동 - 화이팅 ^^ ||
I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6335
On April 24 2011 07:00 secondparttohell wrote:
[image loading]

David vs. Goliath
ThorZaIn vs MC


uh maybe find different pics for the faces they look the same xD headphones + glasses
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6336
On April 24 2011 06:51 dubRa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:36 samaNo4 wrote:
Thorzain can beat Naniwa, Kas cannot. Kas is going to own Thorzain in TvT therefore Naniwa is going to take it all.

Pretty sad that Thorzain and Kas cannot meet in the finals but Naniwa is pretty entertaining to watch too.


Perfect prediction! A bit sad too. Kas's weakest is TvP, Thorzain's TvT while Kas is an über god at it.
Basically Naniwa wins. The only way I see Naniwa not winning is losing to Hasu. Naniwa is good but it's still PvP.

ok so basically you already know the result in which hasu and nani will win in their respective matches. now im rooting for cruncher to bust nani. Its pvp so he has a shit load of chance,

BOXER ...........
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6337
On April 24 2011 06:54 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:49 phisku wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:43 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:40 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:36 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:35 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:33 Yaotzin wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:31 JWD wrote:
On April 24 2011 06:29 Yaotzin wrote:
MC made some strategic blunders but is otherwise clearly the better player.

L
O
L

Guy loses 3-2 in extremely hard fought back-and-forth series, is "clearly the better player". Love it!

Other than the strategic blunders, yes. How do you think it was a close series despite those blunders?


How can someone be "clearly the better player" if they make several strategic blunders?

OTHER THAN THEM. God, how many times do I need to rewrite that? His micro/macro etc were better. His builds, upgrade timing etc were not at all.


Sorry, I did miss that part. In that case it's kind of a poor way to put it, why not say that Thorzain had much better builds and upgrades while MC had better micro/macro? That seems less likely to draw fire from the internet and doesn't take away from Thorzain's ability as a player.

Sorry ^_^

Thorzain came up with great builds, I'm not taking anything from him. However I haven't found his mechanics notable (not bad, just not notable) so I don't know how he'll hold up once people adapt. In particular how will he do against people who upgrade early and don't respond badly to funky builds?


wait what? He had +2/+2 even under harassement and kept his macro going, isn't that good mechanic?

Uhm it's not really indicative of anything? It's not hard to get upgrades :/

Anyway I didn't say his mechanics were bad at all, I said not notable. Many players have similar solid mechanics. Not many have MC's mechanics.


So what was MC's slow upgrades indicative off?

On April 24 2011 06:58 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:48 dark fury wrote:
whats the deal with kas hype? at least his TvP seems sub-standard, havent seen his PvT.

Kas hype? Kas will literally beat down thorzain in TvT. His TvP is decent, and his TvZ is amazing as well. There is literally 0 hype for Kas, when he has WAY WAY WAY more results than thorzain.


I've seen a lot of people hyping up Kas, what are you talking about? In every tournament thread he's participated in. The NA fan base is just not as exposed to him as the European but they will soon catch on.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6338
On April 24 2011 07:01 phisku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 06:59 Tracedragon wrote:
Wonder if Thorzain will play in GSL in the future? He seems good enough to.


If only jinro could help Thorzain in TvT it would be awesome.

And Thorzain could teach Jinro some TvP tricks. Everybody wins.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
April 23 2011 22:02 GMT
#6339
Kas's TvT did look strong, but NaDa played like shit.
Thorzain has been, by far, the most impressive player in the TSL3 so far so I think it's a bit too early to count him out completely.
Volshok
Profile Joined August 2008
United States349 Posts
April 23 2011 22:03 GMT
#6340
I have to admit that it was completely baller of Thorzain to break out his namesake unit for the final game. I'm sure that isn't the actual reason for his name, but ending it with Thors just made it even more entertaining,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123657
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