EPTMaybe not excellent but he still did a good job,,,,his macro however was excellent.
Hey, I also vote for Mondragon but I respect Cruncher for playing well in that game.
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Its time to enjoy the matches, keep the whining out of this thread. GL HF! Also, don't reply to the whining and ignore it: have faith in the mods, we read every post and act swiftly. You're making it worse. Enjoy! | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
Maybe not excellent but he still did a good job,,,,his macro however was excellent. Hey, I also vote for Mondragon but I respect Cruncher for playing well in that game. | ||
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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:21 travis wrote: maybe when the replay is released we can look at how much resources were lost in units/buildings up to the point when cruncher won. then we will know who needs to "get a fucking clue". the map is just a hard map for zerg to win, it's a hard map for mondragon to do what he was trying to do. Good defensive play is kind of easy to have when you cannon like combat EX ^_^ People need to give Crunchie some cred though, his play is pretty solid. | ||
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
I mean, dropping WHILE being attacked by Phoenix / Void Ray and awaited by Stalkers can hardly be called genius play, right? I'm puzzled by the rage of some people, I would like to see the 'Resources Lost' tab of that previous game, or rather the value of units lost, as Cruncher did lost some buildings but hardly any units. In the end he just had a superior army... | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:21 sirkyan wrote: Okay, I'm not whining, this is an honest question about the description of Cruncher! I haven't seen ALL of his games, though I've seen quite a few, and to say he plays an unpredictable style, isn't that wrong? I mean, he's pretty predictable. He does have other qualities that would describe his play better. Just saying :- ). I don't mean it as whine or being mean towards Cruncher, I just feel its like writing Idra loving to rush. As this doesn't seem like a blatant whine I'll respond, what the eff do you expect Cruncher to do whilst defending against multi base harassment? | ||
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TYJ.Aoy
Brazil1265 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:18 travis wrote: stop complaining people, jesus christ. not giving cruncher any credit at all... u don't realize how good his defensive play was. mondragon lost LOTS of units over and over. his play was amazing and great to watch but not all of it was that cost effective. Nah his defensive play was extremely terribad, he suffered of one control group syndrom the entire game, never split his army to deal with the multi-proned attack. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:21 GameTime wrote: Entertaining game but Cruncher deserved to win, he was regularly ahead in workers and Mondragon committed A LOT into his harassment and drops. Indeed. If the same game would have been played by WhiteRa, everybody would have congratulated to his great game. It is just sad that people can not view games with the slightest touch of objectivity. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:18 da_head wrote: why do zergs make corrupters against voidrays? they're fuckin terrible against em. have they forgotten how good mass mutas are? Youre too far behind on upgrades to make muta viable. | ||
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Bekoj
16 Posts
not saying mondragon is a retard tough, both players were actually great, this just piss me off how these zergs fan cry on anything they can. | ||
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Silkath
United Kingdom102 Posts
1) Some of the drops were pretty cost-inefficient. Losing fully-loaded ovies hurts 2) Massing mutas instead of corruptors when Cruncher was just on collossi/voidray To anyone saying Cruncher's defence was impressive... he built 8 cannons at his third (and a tonne at his 4th which he lost anyway as well). I can defend as well as Cruncher in that case... PS Cruncher to take this game too. Another easy 3-base turtle. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:20 Diglett wrote: Well played drops, counterattacks, scouting and decision-making by mondragon! Also, great a-move by cruncher!! You're not giving Cruncher enough credit. He alsp made a shitload of cannons! A useful skill to have!  | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
Sorry for balance complaining mods, I just can't fucking help it. I'm pissed. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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OnlineHero
Denmark647 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:20 Horse...falcon wrote: PvZ advice ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NI7Ef.jpg) From Reddit Lol that's so funny. | ||
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phyren
United States1067 Posts
The stupid balance whine is so infuriating, especially after the preemptive note from mods. I'm hoping to see plenty of temp bans for this. | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:23 ch0c0b0fr34k wrote: Wow, close to 3,000 people watching White-Ra's stream. <3 In the middle of TSL no less. I am envious of those with faster internet and multiple monitors. | ||
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CScythe
Canada810 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:22 systemzzone wrote: so basically Cruncher won without doing a single thing Well you need to remember that building void rays is a useful skill toi have. | ||
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heaven-
United States361 Posts
Mondragon is taking all zergs to school, and teaching them how its done. Really, beautiful play by Mondragon. Every zerg should be inspired, really good use of his army. Not the "well imma rush to 200 food and fight the protoss 200 food, and call it imba." !! Go go mondi! | ||
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Girondelle
France969 Posts
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:22 nat wrote: Cruncher deathball was strong cause of the stalker AND IMORTAL mix...plus the air and collosus that is. Cant blame him for winning with 1A vs roach currupter What else can I use >.>. | ||
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Futuree
United States23 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On April 18 2011 05:20 Mastermind wrote: Old Shakuras really is protoss favoured in pvz imo as a protoss player. The new version is better because you cant just turtle on 3 bases. I still think Mondi can win this series. He showed he has the skills. To be entirely fair, the unit composition that Cruncher had would have defended on the shak just as well as on the old shak. The voids and collossi can just bypass the terrain that makes the new shakuras more difficult to defend a top/bottom 3rd on. In the end I feel that the inefficiency of and relative high cost of the drops really put mondragon on even footing if not behind for most of that game. | ||
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