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Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5781
On April 17 2011 07:34 Executrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:30 Zephirdd wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:28 Executrix wrote:
MORROW FIGHTING!!! For the swarm! Well played. But why didn't HasuObs get more sentries in that perfect area for FF?


How do you support that many gas intensive units?

Also, Morrow had burrow. No point on getting tickling units that only delay the roaches instead of actual DPS units.


Uhm splitting an army when one half is down the ramp is imho one of the best things he could do. Hydras can't burrowmove and that was the dps at the first breakthrough (and also what finished his stalkers). And about being too gas intensive, how about not opening air...

Yea but remaking sentries is hard as it cost a lot of gas its why its important to keep them alive or to kill them depending on your perspective.
Barca
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States418 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5782
On April 17 2011 07:33 GoDLy MD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:32 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Does morrow ever use muta?


probably not the best choice vs blink stalkers and a stargate that can easily make some phoenix


Yeah why build something when it has a counter...

Perhaps he shouldn't build roaches because of Immortals, or Hydras because of Collosus...

This is an RTS, not a research paper. It's about playing the game, not on-file counters.

-_-
- I hate threads that end with "Thoughts?" -
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5783
On April 17 2011 07:34 Executrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:30 Zephirdd wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:28 Executrix wrote:
MORROW FIGHTING!!! For the swarm! Well played. But why didn't HasuObs get more sentries in that perfect area for FF?


How do you support that many gas intensive units?

Also, Morrow had burrow. No point on getting tickling units that only delay the roaches instead of actual DPS units.


Uhm splitting an army when one half is down the ramp is imho one of the best things he could do. Hydras can't burrowmove and that was the dps at the first breakthrough (and also what finished his stalkers). And about being too gas intensive, how about not opening air...


He still couldn't afford getting more sentries and colossus though. Morrow taking his third out killed his gas income
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Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5784
Morrow just played really well that game, he switched his composition so Hasu couldn't stick with sentries because the roaches were just burrowing under them, then he needed more combat oriented units because the sentries weren't cutting it, then Morrow pumped a huge number of Hydras for the next attack and HasuObs just didn't have the resources to jump between the units, when he went for utility, Morrow took advantage of roaches, then took Hydras in once Hasu had the units required to deal with the roaches.

Basically, Morrow cornered him perfectly, Hasu was in a very bad position by the end of the game.
Enock927
Profile Joined October 2010
United States30 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5785
How are you going to say morrow played brilliantly on shakuras? Unless he somehow forced hasu's camera away from the main area where his army was for an extended period of time, he was extreamly lucky. 1 Forcefield cutting that army in half and keeping the hydra's at the top means he would be annihalated losing almost his entire roach army for maybe some stalkers and cannons. Hasu ended up playing it poorly, not using his incrediable position to his advantage.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5786
Maybe fast infestors?
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5787
Hasuobs has a probe not mining, following another probe instead.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5788
On April 17 2011 07:33 DaCruise wrote:
Tal´Darim Altar,,a terrible zerg map imo.


Small maps terrible for Zerg.

Large maps terrible for Zerg.

Medium maps?
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Jman5
Profile Joined September 2010
United States745 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5789
I hate to sound like a downer, but I just haven't been impressed with Morrow's play this series. That said, I'm still rooting for him and picked him for liquibet.

Hopefully he will wow me in this final match.
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5790
On April 17 2011 07:33 ComTrav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:31 flodeskum wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:29 WindCalibur wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:28 LoCaD wrote:
And the OLD Shakuras continues to give us great Games seriously why did Blizzard ever temper with this MAP their Opinion on it is totally wrong "Boring Games" NO WAY


Because Terran is overpowered on that map due to the rocks? Or at least a lot of people complained about it.

It's also pretty imbalanced in pvz. Morrow did incredibly well to win in that position, I could never make that attack work.


Yeah, pushing through that narrow choke from T or P was almost impossible for Z to break. That's why this version disables horizontal spawns.

Which is why it's so shocking that Morrow broke HasuObs's third, there; it "shouldn't have worked". I suspect even Morrow knew it was a really risky play, but sometimes you need to roll the dice and take your chances.


Again, Hasuobs had TWO colossus.

terrans don't hold that ramp with two tanks, they have 4-8.

Hasuobs was on like 1 robo with 6 gases..? Didn't see, but the reason those chokes are good is because of siege units (colossus/tank/broodlord). Only have 2 siege units still means you can lose.
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Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5791
Super early lair, this could get very exciting very fast.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
April 16 2011 22:36 GMT
#5792
If he opens with Stargate followed by robo, HasuObs will die to this drop.
henreiman
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States407 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5793
On April 17 2011 07:36 Shika wrote:
Super early lair, this could get very exciting very fast.


Who was it that asked for mutas a couple pages ago? You might be getting your wish.
Gamgee
Profile Joined August 2010
United States135 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5794
On April 17 2011 07:35 Zannadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:34 Nuttyguy wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:34 Zannadar wrote:
Just curious, people play from their homes or wherever they like, correct?

for the TSL yeah


I know this is immoral but how can anyone know the player's friend is calling him and saying "DUDE BANELING BUST INCOMING"

Is there anyway to prevent this?

These aren't cast live, they're cast from replays - these games were already played.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5795
On April 17 2011 07:35 Tachion wrote:
Morrow is so stubborn with his opening...you don't need ling speed that fast when the protoss forge expands >_> get a faster expo jeeze.


It's tough to 14hatch against a toss who forge/expo for obvious reasons ;o
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5796
On April 17 2011 07:35 Zannadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:34 Nuttyguy wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:34 Zannadar wrote:
Just curious, people play from their homes or wherever they like, correct?

for the TSL yeah


I know this is immoral but how can anyone know the player's friend is calling him and saying "DUDE BANELING BUST INCOMING"

Is there anyway to prevent this?


Yes, they are casted from replays with only a tournament ref as spec.
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5797
On April 17 2011 07:33 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:32 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Does morrow ever use muta?

In ZvP??
They're hard to get out, you usually die to midgame timings if you try


They're also less good against a toss that opens with airplay because he just makes phoenix.
loveeholicce
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Korea (South)785 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5798
On April 17 2011 07:36 Barca wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:33 GoDLy MD wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:32 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
Does morrow ever use muta?


probably not the best choice vs blink stalkers and a stargate that can easily make some phoenix


Yeah why build something when it has a counter...

Perhaps he shouldn't build roaches because of Immortals, or Hydras because of Collosus...

This is an RTS, not a research paper. It's about playing the game, not on-file counters.

-_-


But phoenix vs muta is such a hard counter its not worth it
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Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5799
hydra inc, imo
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
April 16 2011 22:37 GMT
#5800
On April 17 2011 07:35 Zannadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 07:34 Nuttyguy wrote:
On April 17 2011 07:34 Zannadar wrote:
Just curious, people play from their homes or wherever they like, correct?

for the TSL yeah


I know this is immoral but how can anyone know the player's friend is calling him and saying "DUDE BANELING BUST INCOMING"

Is there anyway to prevent this?


it's casted from replay, read pls
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