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yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1143 Posts
April 10 2011 09:40 GMT
#61
Yay RPI x2 :D !!

Awesome job!
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T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 10 2011 10:03 GMT
#62
So, Immortal Division got destroyed. What an overrated division.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2197 Posts
April 10 2011 10:08 GMT
#63
ahahah TOP, Indiana vs UCSD was a pretty close shave though
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 10 2011 10:40 GMT
#64
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
April 10 2011 15:55 GMT
#65
UofT Lost because I wasn't in the lineup....... Was a pretty baddly played series on our part. gj RPI
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1143 Posts
April 10 2011 17:11 GMT
#66
On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).


Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out.
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CuriousMoose
Profile Joined January 2011
United States73 Posts
April 10 2011 17:44 GMT
#67
gg UCSD! Good to know that we're still ballers at esports!
shindigs
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4795 Posts
April 11 2011 00:35 GMT
#68
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/gn0aw/collegiate_starleague_playoffs_ro16_day_4_uc/

Finally, UCI!
Photographer@shindags || twitch.tv/shindigs
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 01:47:21
April 11 2011 01:46 GMT
#69
houston vs umbc starting now :D!

exo vs. nerzhul
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
Nizzy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States839 Posts
April 11 2011 01:52 GMT
#70
LETS GO HOUSTON!
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 11 2011 03:30 GMT
#71
On April 11 2011 02:11 yenta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).


Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out.

I don't know if there's a better ranking system. It's kinda weird when UCSD beats Indiana University 3-2. UCSD falls from 1787 to 1779. Indiana University falls from 1782 to 1759.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2197 Posts
April 11 2011 03:52 GMT
#72
UMS real fun 4s now haha
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
April 11 2011 03:58 GMT
#73
not a big fan of the ranking system. UH is down at #27. Explain how that happened
DarthThienAn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2734 Posts
April 11 2011 05:31 GMT
#74
lol. Soooo after 2.5 hours of playing...
www.cstarleague.com | Love is like playing the piano. First you must learn to play by the rules, then you must forget the rules and play from your heart.
yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1143 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-11 08:50:16
April 11 2011 08:11 GMT
#75
On April 11 2011 12:30 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2011 02:11 yenta wrote:
On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).


Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out.

I don't know if there's a better ranking system. It's kinda weird when UCSD beats Indiana University 3-2. UCSD falls from 1787 to 1779. Indiana University falls from 1782 to 1759.


The RD values initially being set too high coupled with a close margin victory having a different function for determining the outcome value.

Even though the ratings fell, so did the RD values (which are hidden). A lower rating with a lower RD is "better" under Glicko than a higher rating with a high RD because you are more sure of the rating.

On April 11 2011 12:58 ExO_ wrote:
not a big fan of the ranking system. UH is down at #27. Explain how that happened


Despite being ranked 1st in their division due to tiebreakers, UH was actually 3rd when considering set differentials. Texas A&M would than be the highest seed from Leviathan and the rankings reflect that.

---

I think that Glicko was a bad choice because the relatively small amount of matches played between teams per season does not really allow for the RD values to converge. It would be better for a individual league with many matches played over a short set of time.

Also,

ˆFrom Page 22 of A Comprehensive Guide to Chess Ratings by Mark Glickman
One of the fundamental problems with using the rating system as a predictor of performace is that it is only accurate on a within-region division level. No provisions exist in the rating system to prevent disparities in abilities across different regions of the country divisions for similarly rated players teams.
...
The only true remedy to this problem is to ensure players teams in different communities divisions compete regularly.


While the playoffs sort of address this issue, they are not sound enough to address the problem. We are thinking about heavily jumbling teams between divisions (aside from regional rivalries) which would lead to better ratings eventually. However, as more seasons pass, the performance of a team changes due to graduates and incoming frosh. Reflecting that is tricky in itself.

And

From DavasiaN's comment under the Stats Announcement
I understand that power ranking is just for fun and one of the few metrics we have to compare schools in different divisions, but there are many variables that the glicko system simply can not account for that the rankings become quite inaccurate.
Additionally, the current system takes into account playoff results, which will artificially rank teams to be similar to the end results of the tournament. This is simply because the playoffs is single-elimination style tournament. Since almost every team who made the playoffs was at most 2 games apart in record, the winner of the tournament will pretty much be guaranteed to be ranked #1.
It also punishes teams that make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Take my school, University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign (Dragon division), for example. We ended up making the playoffs, beating out University of Alberta and McGill University for the last playoff spot based on set differential. Since we were the #4 seed, we played a higher seed in Waterloo and ended up losing. Because of this we have an extra loss compared to Alberta and McGill, and invariably got punished in the rankings for making the playoffs. Both University of Alberta and McGill are ahead of us in the power rankings when they did not even make the playoffs.


I'm going to keep experimenting and replace the glicko system with just a plain elo system with varying K values. I will probably skew the results by:

  • Awarding points to teams for placing 1st, 2nd, 3rd-4th in their divisions. These points may be skewed depending on a panel of which divisions were considered to be "strong" or "weak".
  • Awarding points to teams based on their finish in the playoff tournament.
  • Removing penalties for losing playoff matches.
  • Skewing the ratings depending a panel of which teams are believed to be the strongest.


My ultimate goal is for the rating to reflect how teams performed during the season. Looking back, the rating system was mislabeled as a "Power Rank".

My idea for the future is to provide
  • This modified ELO.
  • A subjective ranking from CSL Admins and Coordinators.
  • The B.net-based ranking

and to perhaps reach a "Power Rank" by weighting and combining the 3.
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inn5013orecl
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States227 Posts
April 11 2011 08:37 GMT
#76
WOOT! UCSD fighting!!! Lol @ WoW's effect on kvz 1.0...and is cheese finally breaking out of his csl fail?? hahaha. gogo 2 titles in a row!!!

-SoFLUFFY
i live with a korean who doesnt play sc...wtf
pasdefromage
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada11 Posts
April 12 2011 02:05 GMT
#77
Recently did a quick interview with Monk about the UW team

http://torontostarcraft.tumblr.com/post/4542053489/csl-interview-university-of-waterloo

Thanks again to Monk for his time, and gogogo UW!
There's also an interview with another Canadian uni (Wilfred Laurier) on the site, for those interested in the little team that could!
"Pas de fromage!"
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
April 12 2011 02:17 GMT
#78
Q: What or who are the biggest challenges your team is currently facing in the CSL?

A: Cheeses and snipe builds. In a best of 7, no school other than UToronto poses any threat to UW playing straight up. One of the main things that I tell my players to practise against is cheese and early aggression. We’re fully aware of all cheese and tailoring the builds accordingly. If my players stay committed and keeps practising, UW shouldn’t even drop a single set until Grand Finals.






stalife
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1222 Posts
April 12 2011 03:28 GMT
#79
what, they don't know they gotta face UBC in the grand finals..?
www.memoryexpress.com
hazelynut
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2197 Posts
April 12 2011 06:44 GMT
#80
how's ubc gonna do in a bo7 o.o
Zerg | life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery | www.cstarleague.com <3
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