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Welcome to Week 3 of the CSL Season 4 Playoffs!
Tune in this Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday 9pm EDT for an extended weekend of intercollegiate StarCraft and playoff action!
This week's games will be casted by the one and only Gretorp! All of these casts can be found at the CSL JustinTV stream.
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The Collegiate Starleague is the premiere collegiate gaming league, with over 140 universities participating this year. The CSL is sponsored by Justin.tv and Tt eSports! In addition to the league, we run contests, tournaments, and work with universities to host and promote LAN events across North America. Check out http://www.cstarleague.com for more info!
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gooo canada ! also pretty sure texas a&m flamed us, so Waterloo revenge !
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no worry, Waterloo got this lined down!
even though our exam period starting this week until 20th, we are sacrifying a TONS just to practice for this match! Texas better watch out!
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On April 07 2011 13:01 NB wrote:
no worry, Waterloo got this lined down!
even though our exam period starting this week until 20th, we are sacrifying a TONS just to practice for this match! Texas better watch out!
Watch out for what? You guys are already the favorites.
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waterloo is the favorites of getting blown out. gg
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Glad CombatEx isn't in the line up this time. He really makes us look bad.
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On April 08 2011 03:59 sallydesu wrote:
im soh nervous
I see what you did there.
(Last name, "Soh")
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Aggies, you better bring home a championship like our women's basketball team did.
GIG EM
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On April 08 2011 04:42 iCheesed wrote:
Glad CombatEx isn't in the line up this time. He really makes us look bad.
Says the named 'Icheesed'? Lol d:
You're from Waterloo? Ever frequent the channel?
He's the alternate so if SuperNinja or Anti don't show up, he's in.
You can't deny the fact that he wins games though.
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On April 08 2011 05:11 laLAlA[uC] wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 04:42 iCheesed wrote:
Glad CombatEx isn't in the line up this time. He really makes us look bad. Says the named 'Icheesed'? Lol d: You're from Waterloo? Ever frequent the channel? He's the alternate so if SuperNinja or Anti don't show up, he's in. You can't deny the fact that he wins games though.
Yeaa.. Didn't put much effort into the name.  Nope, not gosu enough. He is good, just needs manner.
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On April 08 2011 05:27 iCheesed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 05:11 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On April 08 2011 04:42 iCheesed wrote:
Glad CombatEx isn't in the line up this time. He really makes us look bad. Says the named 'Icheesed'? Lol d: You're from Waterloo? Ever frequent the channel? He's the alternate so if SuperNinja or Anti don't show up, he's in. You can't deny the fact that he wins games though. Yeaa.. Didn't put much effort into the name. Nope, not gosu enough. He is good, just needs manner.
For sure :V
I'll get Idra to teach him.
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On April 08 2011 03:59 sallydesu wrote:
im soh nervous
its natural let it happen
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Going live in 50 minutes!
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GL waterloo 
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Texas A&M Aggies fighting!
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Go Dalhousie!!!
Good job boys, keep up the good work and keep on reppin Atlantic Canada.
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haha ~_~ how did that happen ;;
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2v2 dalhoosie, you can do it!
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gg texas  .... @IMBA_JACKASS: I SO FUCKING LOVE YOU
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Stellumz's forehead is too good for Penguin to handle.
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Wow waterloo is freaking stacked. How did Antimage, Humble, and CombatEX all end up at the same school + a ton more masters players...and, no offense, but where is U of Waterloo anyways???
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1. CombatEX is meh.
2. Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
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~~!!! nobody know where waterloo is cuz nobody care!
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but duran
no one cares about u though...
<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3
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update the results plz
and i highly recommend uw vs texas set 1
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updated the OP - more Gretorp and Xeris tomorrow O_O!
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i want incontrol... plus the VOD of UW and texas is not working! want to re watch game 1 so badly :<...
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We're going live in 45 minutes!
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aaaand we're live!
rutgers is always an amazing team to watch :D so many mind games and strategies...and stalking.
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SethN HWAITINGGGGGGGGGGG!
GO rutgers
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On April 08 2011 11:49 henreiman wrote:
Wow waterloo is freaking stacked. How did Antimage, Humble, and CombatEX all end up at the same school + a ton more masters players...and, no offense, but where is U of Waterloo anyways???
We have good engineering, compsci and math programs so it follows we have a bunch of gamers.
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On April 09 2011 14:21 Lakai wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2011 11:49 henreiman wrote:
Wow waterloo is freaking stacked. How did Antimage, Humble, and CombatEX all end up at the same school + a ton more masters players...and, no offense, but where is U of Waterloo anyways??? We have good engineering, compsci and math programs so it follows we have a bunch of gamers.
they dont end up in the same school zzz.... They all start of their gaming career HERE in waterloo. Before sc2 came out they are the Waterloo CSL BW team! Thats one of the main reason why they do so good in sc2: BW veterans.
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University of Houston vs UMD Baltimore County
Results
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I hope UCSD wins so we can play them in the semi-finals!
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gogo toronto, keep it rollin'...
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UofT Fighting!!! Go Team GO!
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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holy shit..................................................... what a huge series of upsets today
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OP, please update so it says University of California San Diego. Personally I don't want people to get UCSD confused with USD
Go Tritons!
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where can i find replays/vods?
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vods are on the CSL justin tv channel, justin.tv/cstarleague
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Yay RPI x2 :D !!
Awesome job!
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So, Immortal Division got destroyed. What an overrated division.
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ahahah TOP, Indiana vs UCSD was a pretty close shave though
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This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).
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UofT Lost because I wasn't in the lineup.......  Was a pretty baddly played series on our part. gj RPI
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On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points).
Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out.
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gg UCSD! Good to know that we're still ballers at esports!
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houston vs umbc starting now :D!
exo vs. nerzhul
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On April 11 2011 02:11 yenta wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points). Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out.
I don't know if there's a better ranking system. It's kinda weird when UCSD beats Indiana University 3-2. UCSD falls from 1787 to 1779. Indiana University falls from 1782 to 1759.
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UMS real fun 4s now haha
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not a big fan of the ranking system. UH is down at #27. Explain how that happened
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lol. Soooo after 2.5 hours of playing...
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On April 11 2011 12:30 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2011 02:11 yenta wrote:On April 10 2011 19:40 T.O.P. wrote:
This Glicko system is bad. University of Maryland College Park is #1 and University of Alberta #5. They're not in the playoffs so they can't lose anymore games (can't lose any points). Do you have a suggestion for a better ranking? I'll gladly switch it out. I don't know if there's a better ranking system. It's kinda weird when UCSD beats Indiana University 3-2. UCSD falls from 1787 to 1779. Indiana University falls from 1782 to 1759.
The RD values initially being set too high coupled with a close margin victory having a different function for determining the outcome value.
Even though the ratings fell, so did the RD values (which are hidden). A lower rating with a lower RD is "better" under Glicko than a higher rating with a high RD because you are more sure of the rating.
On April 11 2011 12:58 ExO_ wrote:
not a big fan of the ranking system. UH is down at #27. Explain how that happened
Despite being ranked 1st in their division due to tiebreakers, UH was actually 3rd when considering set differentials. Texas A&M would than be the highest seed from Leviathan and the rankings reflect that.
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I think that Glicko was a bad choice because the relatively small amount of matches played between teams per season does not really allow for the RD values to converge. It would be better for a individual league with many matches played over a short set of time.
Also,
From Page 22 of A Comprehensive Guide to Chess Ratings by Mark GlickmanOne of the fundamental problems with using the rating system as a predictor of performace is that it is only accurate on a within- region division level. No provisions exist in the rating system to prevent disparities in abilities across different regions of the country divisions for similarly rated players teams. ...The only true remedy to this problem is to ensure players teams in different communities divisions compete regularly.
While the playoffs sort of address this issue, they are not sound enough to address the problem. We are thinking about heavily jumbling teams between divisions (aside from regional rivalries) which would lead to better ratings eventually. However, as more seasons pass, the performance of a team changes due to graduates and incoming frosh. Reflecting that is tricky in itself.
And
From DavasiaN's comment under the Stats AnnouncementI understand that power ranking is just for fun and one of the few metrics we have to compare schools in different divisions, but there are many variables that the glicko system simply can not account for that the rankings become quite inaccurate. Additionally, the current system takes into account playoff results, which will artificially rank teams to be similar to the end results of the tournament. This is simply because the playoffs is single-elimination style tournament. Since almost every team who made the playoffs was at most 2 games apart in record, the winner of the tournament will pretty much be guaranteed to be ranked #1. It also punishes teams that make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Take my school, University of Illinois - Urbana Champaign (Dragon division), for example. We ended up making the playoffs, beating out University of Alberta and McGill University for the last playoff spot based on set differential. Since we were the #4 seed, we played a higher seed in Waterloo and ended up losing. Because of this we have an extra loss compared to Alberta and McGill, and invariably got punished in the rankings for making the playoffs. Both University of Alberta and McGill are ahead of us in the power rankings when they did not even make the playoffs.
I'm going to keep experimenting and replace the glicko system with just a plain elo system with varying K values. I will probably skew the results by:
- Awarding points to teams for placing 1st, 2nd, 3rd-4th in their divisions. These points may be skewed depending on a panel of which divisions were considered to be "strong" or "weak".
- Awarding points to teams based on their finish in the playoff tournament.
- Removing penalties for losing playoff matches.
- Skewing the ratings depending a panel of which teams are believed to be the strongest.
My ultimate goal is for the rating to reflect how teams performed during the season. Looking back, the rating system was mislabeled as a "Power Rank".
My idea for the future is to provide
- This modified ELO.
- A subjective ranking from CSL Admins and Coordinators.
- The B.net-based ranking
and to perhaps reach a "Power Rank" by weighting and combining the 3.
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WOOT! UCSD fighting!!! Lol @ WoW's effect on kvz 1.0...and is cheese finally breaking out of his csl fail?? hahaha. gogo 2 titles in a row!!!
-SoFLUFFY
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Q: What or who are the biggest challenges your team is currently facing in the CSL?
A: Cheeses and snipe builds. In a best of 7, no school other than UToronto poses any threat to UW playing straight up. One of the main things that I tell my players to practise against is cheese and early aggression. We’re fully aware of all cheese and tailoring the builds accordingly. If my players stay committed and keeps practising, UW shouldn’t even drop a single set until Grand Finals.
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what, they don't know they gotta face UBC in the grand finals..?
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how's ubc gonna do in a bo7 o.o
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looooooooooooooooooooooooool
sick burn mona
GG SUNGTOSS
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On April 12 2011 11:17 SniXSniPe wrote:Show nested quote +Q: What or who are the biggest challenges your team is currently facing in the CSL?
A: Cheeses and snipe builds. In a best of 7, no school other than UToronto poses any threat to UW playing straight up. One of the main things that I tell my players to practise against is cheese and early aggression. We’re fully aware of all cheese and tailoring the builds accordingly. If my players stay committed and keeps practising, UW shouldn’t even drop a single set until Grand Finals.
Can't wait to knock them down a knotch. A few Waterloo players are a bit too arrogant. Still love my gerbil tho <3
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EPT
