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HQuality
2682 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:29 AntiGrav1ty wrote: If someone like White-Ra starts badmannering because of 4-gate something is seriously wrong with this game. No doubt about it. I switched to zerg because of this INSANELY random in pvp. some cheeses super fast 4wgp only zealots push, standart 4wgp etc etc it's just complete random | ||
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namedplayer
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Talaf
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
PvP is actually in such a stupid state right now, it's similar to how zvz used to be all ling bane prior to some of the roach builds (and the range 4 roach). Hopefully the matchup can evolve similar to zvz's evolution. White-ra should've been prepared for San's style though, we know from watching his gsl games that his pvp isn't that good and he seems to prefer 4 gating. White-ra should've known that (you can argue that he did but he botched the execution of the 3 stalker rush build). I really hope Dimaga can take San but Dimaga has said he isn't comfortable zvp and San has a sick pvz as evidenced by his beating Nestea and thewind. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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beat farm
United States478 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:42 HQuality wrote: No doubt about it. I switched to zerg because of this INSANELY random in pvp. some cheeses super fast 4wgp only zealots push, standart 4wgp etc etc it's just complete random As much as I like WhiteRa, if he was actually BMing about 4gate, it's pretty dumb and inexcusable. If you're a pro, you simply adjust and try your best at mirror matchups - there are no balance complaints to be had, since it's a mirror matchup. True, there's sometimes a coin-flip element to them, but when you know that 4gate is generally a ridiculously strong opening that more often than not trumps other openings, you just do it and micro your ass off, instead of trying to be creative and work around the 4gate, fail, and complain. | ||
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Logo2010
509 Posts
Seriously, 4 gate is a standard build. Did you know you can progress from a 4 gate if you defend it? Maybe even come out on top? Like W-ra did against MC. Maybe he underestimated San. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:55 ThaZenith wrote: Dimaga is my hero. I like San less after all those 4 gates, whether it's "standard" in pvp or not. So Dimaga baneling busts MVP and all-ins Nestea and he's your hero, while your opinion of San goes down when he 4gates in PvP? You can't say that it's okay because Dimaga varies it up, because we've seen San vary it up plenty of times with his unique, very KA-reliant style he used against sC, or his long, epic macro games against Nestea, TheWind, and Sen. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:59 HolyArrow wrote: As much as I like WhiteRa, if he was actually BMing about 4gate, it's pretty dumb and inexcusable. If you're a pro, you simply adjust and try your best at mirror matchups - there are no balance complaints to be had, since it's a mirror matchup. True, there's sometimes a coin-flip element to them, but when you know that 4gate is generally a ridiculously strong opening that more often than not trumps other openings, you just do it and micro your ass off, instead of trying to be creative and work around the 4gate, fail, and complain. Well, he was not complaining. No much bm. Just his opinion, that 4gt rushing doesn't require much decision making, or something like that. Listen to the interview. It's cool. | ||
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:59 HolyArrow wrote: As much as I like WhiteRa, if he was actually BMing about 4gate, it's pretty dumb and inexcusable. If you're a pro, you simply adjust and try your best at mirror matchups - there are no balance complaints to be had, since it's a mirror matchup. True, there's sometimes a coin-flip element to them, but when you know that 4gate is generally a ridiculously strong opening that more often than not trumps other openings, you just do it and micro your ass off, instead of trying to be creative and work around the 4gate, fail, and complain. San 4gated all 3 games and was able to win 2 of them, lol. You think after a year of release, people ahve not tried to find something that beats 4gate consistently? | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
You can't really slow tank push across such a large map either, as by the time you even get to a base July already has 2 more bases somewhere else AND he could easily go around and counterattack. I don't see how people say Nada got outplayed...yes, he's not on July's or MvP's TvZ level, but he didn't really make any mistakes. People say he turtled too hard, but like I said, what else could he have done? Mutas+speedlings shut down 99% of Terran harass options on such huge maps. | ||
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
On March 31 2011 05:40 Hemula wrote: We still will be able to see some excellent White_Ra play in his vs Bomber showmatch. Also I hope he will play his TSL matches in Korea, so he and MC will have zero lags. I am sure the second day is gonna be even more epic. (I even can dare hope that Morrow will somehow beat MC). When will that show match take place? | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On March 31 2011 06:04 Mailing wrote: San 4gated all 3 games and was able to win 2 of them, lol. You think after a year of release, people ahve not tried to find something that beats 4gate consistently? I don't see what your question has to do with my post. I am not saying that people haven't tried to find something that beats 4gate. I am saying that, since it seems that the metagame heavily favors just brute-forcing your way to victory with a 4gate, with more creative builds falling to the 4gate, you might as well adapt and get as good as you can at 4gating yourself instead of trying to dabble with anti-4gate/creative builds and complain. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On March 31 2011 06:01 HolyArrow wrote: So Dimaga baneling busts MVP and all-ins Nestea and he's your hero, while your opinion of San goes down when he 4gates in PvP? . Exactly correct. I'm glad you understand. | ||
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Fbacon
18 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
It's nice to see people complicit in their double standards. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Dimaga Baneling Busted MvP after a long and awesome macro game had been disconnected, and knowing he still had to face Nestea, all the while doing this after facing July. Also, his 10 pool was indeed an all-in but he was down 1 game versus the guy who has never lost a televised ZvZ. In order to get back in the game doing what he did is quite a bit understandable, and was a hard counter to Nestea's hatch first. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On March 31 2011 06:09 HolyArrow wrote: It's nice to see people complicit in their double standards. It's too bad you missed 3 out of the 5 games by Dimaga, but hey. You're obviously in this topic only to argue. Who am i to judge that your only entertainment comes from dissing people's opinions.  Enjoy yourself. ^^ | ||
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