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Zefa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States297 Posts
March 30 2011 19:43 GMT
#3581
Yea if white ra defensive 4 gates he holds san and comes out ahead no problem. The fact that he held in the second game from a much worse position/opening is a testament to this fact.

The reason korea is 4 gate vs 4 gate in pvp isn't because they're brainless. It's because from the thousands and thousands of games they've played pvp, they've come to the conclusion that it is the required most solid opening if you ever want to get to a midgame. The 3 stalker rush build thats designed to counter 4 gate doesn't even counter it that well especially vs a tricky/smart player.

If you're a very strong mid-late game player, just defensive 4 gate and transition and you'll be back in your comfort zone.
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
March 30 2011 19:47 GMT
#3582
On March 31 2011 04:29 Petra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 03:58 Shalaiyn wrote:
WhiteRa actually seems to have BMd if you listen to his interview today: http://www.justin.tv/kellymilkies/b/282628325

Also Dimaga called San a "goat" in his russian speach for 3 times 4gate against WhiteRa.

The meaning of "goat" in russian is close to "asshole", for those who might not understand.
Dimaga speaks from his heart, :D.
That is the thing. White-Ra is so good, he is a wise old-timer, he is like yoda.
He is so experienced that he doesn't want to play boring games. He's more in the mind-games thing, I suppose...
Meanwhile poor little korean fella just wanted to win, that's all. I don't blame him. Who won is a winner, is not he?
I am even kinda glad we don't have to see Dimaga playing versus White-Ra in some korean cup.
I am sure White-Ra will help Dimaga practice, so he can avenge him. :D
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 19:52:35
March 30 2011 19:52 GMT
#3583
White-Ra is just expressing the frustration most top Protoss players express towards PvP.
pleskator
Profile Joined March 2011
Czech Republic40 Posts
March 30 2011 19:58 GMT
#3584
On March 31 2011 04:32 Inkcrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 04:29 Smurphy wrote:
On March 31 2011 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 31 2011 04:20 Zane wrote:
On March 31 2011 03:32 chaosdarkprince wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:12 Xaeryn wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:12 accela wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:11 Jimmeh wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:10 OnlineHero wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:08 Khalum wrote:
[quote]

His headphones were broken.


He had the flu


his game settings were wrong.


radiation from japan


the gomTV flames were making him sweat


had to play on 256 (8 - bit) colours and lowest resolution

They switched his glasses and broke his left ring finger.


He was shot 6 times in the chest during each game.


The sun was in Nestea's eyes.


His Nestea was actually a Starbucks


They switched his mouse for 2nd keyboard
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 30 2011 19:58 GMT
#3585
Well, also that he flies to Korea and his opponent didn't care about showing good games whereas he did. It's a competition with a lot of money on the line though, so you can't really blame him.
Prostak
Profile Joined March 2011
Poland192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 20:03:41
March 30 2011 20:02 GMT
#3586
Ofc Whitera was pissed of because of losing twice to 4gate but this is MONEY on the line. He just though this is gg cup? This is money cup and everythings it works is good.
GO DIMAGA you are on fire lately! So good for u.
Morrow show world you can also pwn MC!
Hyped hyped hyped!
♥ EmpireHappy, roxkisBratOK, imbaFXOStrelok EmpireNerchio, MǂStephano, mTwDIMAGA dignitasNaniwa, aTnSocke, DuckloadRa ♥
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
March 30 2011 20:03 GMT
#3587
On March 31 2011 04:47 Hemula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 04:29 Petra wrote:
On March 31 2011 03:58 Shalaiyn wrote:
WhiteRa actually seems to have BMd if you listen to his interview today: http://www.justin.tv/kellymilkies/b/282628325

Also Dimaga called San a "goat" in his russian speach for 3 times 4gate against WhiteRa.

The meaning of "goat" in russian is close to "asshole", for those who might not understand.
Dimaga speaks from his heart, :D.
That is the thing. White-Ra is so good, he is a wise old-timer, he is like yoda.
He is so experienced that he doesn't want to play boring games. He's more in the mind-games thing, I suppose...
Meanwhile poor little korean fella just wanted to win, that's all. I don't blame him. Who won is a winner, is not he?
I am even kinda glad we don't have to see Dimaga playing versus White-Ra in some korean cup.
I am sure White-Ra will help Dimaga practice, so he can avenge him. :D



If you are a toss, and you are not satisfied with current 4gates situation, then you should also always do 4gates. If every toss do this, every pvp game is 4gates vs 4gates, then definitely blizzard will change this.

If you try to play a long game, occasionally you will win some games. Then Blizzard will have excuse not to change this.
CardG
Profile Joined March 2011
France131 Posts
March 30 2011 20:03 GMT
#3588
Anyone have a link for the vod's? especially for dimaga nestea and july nada? THX (i'm quite new here)
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
March 30 2011 20:05 GMT
#3589
On March 31 2011 03:58 Shalaiyn wrote:
WhiteRa actually seems to have BMd if you listen to his interview today: http://www.justin.tv/kellymilkies/b/282628325
"You don't need many brain for 4 gate."

are you serious did I get sniped by 5 seconds?


OMG HE'S SO AWFUL OMG

for the god's sake, cut that "manner" talks out...
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
March 30 2011 20:06 GMT
#3590
Toss players who don't like PvP should switch to zerg or terran. I'm sure they'll find playing against protoss more enjoyable then. /sarcasm
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
March 30 2011 20:12 GMT
#3591
On March 31 2011 04:18 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 03:50 Turgid wrote:
On March 31 2011 03:36 acidfreak wrote:
On March 31 2011 03:30 Turgid wrote:
Nothing like Dimaga beating Nestea to put a big ol banana grin on my face in the morning. Come to think of it, is anyone in EU better than Dimaga at ZvZ? Nerchio?


How can anyone be better than Dimaga in ZvZ atm when he just beat arguably the best ZvZ player in the world?

Nerchio has beaten Dimaga bo3 before.

:D I am Dimaga fan how could i be better than him at ZvZ? In fact my ZvZ is kind of poor, i sometimes win with the best and sometimes lose to worse players so you cannot count me as a good zvz player. On the other hand Dimaga IS A BEAST!


I don't see how it can get more conclusive.... you say maybe Nerchio.... Nerchio.. says NO... DIMAGA.

Clearly.. Dimaga.... is a true hero. He did the impossible.... on the biggest stage for a ton of cash!

Plus if he had lost, it would have been a Korean sweep for the day, and EVERYONE, would have a different tone today :D

Dimaga..... literally..... saved the day!

Hence HERO!

------ and you Nerchio, its nice to see some respect between top players :D

stay classy!
www.KoshkaTV.com
HowSoOnIsNow
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada480 Posts
March 30 2011 20:29 GMT
#3592
Wooo.....Dimaga is great guys,but he's not the best ZvZ in the world. Nestea still is, even though the Ukrainian played very well today. As of White Ra, he lost in game 3 pretty heavily. Defending 4 Gates has to be in your curriculum as a Protoss, if you can't deal with it, it's not gonna go well for you.

I don't understand why Dimaga would insult San on the low in Russian as well. Dudes needs to stay classy.
Real mens play Zerg.. Startale fighting.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
March 30 2011 20:29 GMT
#3593
If someone like White-Ra starts badmannering because of 4-gate something is seriously wrong with this game.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
Baby_Seal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States360 Posts
March 30 2011 20:31 GMT
#3594
On March 31 2011 04:58 pleskator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 04:32 Inkcrow wrote:
On March 31 2011 04:29 Smurphy wrote:
On March 31 2011 04:22 Mohdoo wrote:
On March 31 2011 04:20 Zane wrote:
On March 31 2011 03:32 chaosdarkprince wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:12 Xaeryn wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:12 accela wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:11 Jimmeh wrote:
On March 30 2011 21:10 OnlineHero wrote:
[quote]

He had the flu


his game settings were wrong.


radiation from japan


the gomTV flames were making him sweat


had to play on 256 (8 - bit) colours and lowest resolution

They switched his glasses and broke his left ring finger.


He was shot 6 times in the chest during each game.


The sun was in Nestea's eyes.


His Nestea was actually a Starbucks


They switched his mouse for 2nd keyboard


He was distracted by Rebecca Black playing in the background inside his booth.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
March 30 2011 20:32 GMT
#3595
On March 31 2011 05:29 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
If someone like White-Ra starts badmannering because of 4-gate something is seriously wrong with this game.

Every tournament is a coin-flip tournament as protoss because of the risk of getting a PvP. It's frustrating enough on ladder but when these kinds of money are on the line it's obviously a lot more frustrating.

I think Blizzard needs to do something about the MU.
Fbacon
Profile Joined March 2011
18 Posts
March 30 2011 20:35 GMT
#3596
It is really uncall for by the UkraineBros. San give us a lot of good games this season and never some one who don't analyze situation and do a blind hope it will work strat
white-ra should look at himself for what happen today. i mean it's PvP.. in Korea.. what does he expect ? treat him differently because he foreign ? treat it like a showmatch to woo foreign fans ? pff
the other hand pvp is san weakest match ups its glad to see him making in roads on his pvp play
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 20:41:06
March 30 2011 20:36 GMT
#3597
On March 31 2011 05:29 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
If someone like White-Ra starts badmannering because of 4-gate something is seriously wrong with this game.


4 gate in PvP is incredibly super standard

if Blizzard were to attempt to do something to make 4 gate a sub optimal build in PvP, it would probably be some adjustment to the warp gate mechanic (probably research time). I think most Protoss would prefer to keep the warp gate mechanic as it is now and deal with PvP 4 gate fests than have Blizzard adjust the warp gate mechanic and greatly alter how Protoss is played as a race in all matchups.
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
March 30 2011 20:36 GMT
#3598
On March 31 2011 05:29 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
If someone like White-Ra starts badmannering because of 4-gate something is seriously wrong with this game.


That's exactly my thought haha! Poor whitera, was cheering for him at work.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
March 30 2011 20:40 GMT
#3599
We still will be able to see some excellent White_Ra play in his vs Bomber showmatch. Also I hope he will play his TSL matches in Korea, so he and MC will have zero lags.
I am sure the second day is gonna be even more epic. (I even can dare hope that Morrow will somehow beat MC).
namedplayer
Profile Joined June 2010
844 Posts
March 30 2011 20:40 GMT
#3600
I just saw the pvp matches.

Tastosis didn't catch the moment that San canceled second gas in order to fake whitera...
You know what I'm talking about
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