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Balance whining will result in a ban
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 18:42:43
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1421
On March 28 2011 03:41 veraliar wrote:
Again.. no flexibility from Idra. Cruncher has nothing. Go banes and kill him now. But nope.



1.He has a wall off and two cannons
2.To commit that much would be all in(so far away)
3.Defenders advantage would help Cruncher
4.He doesn't know whether Cruncher is going air or gateways.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1422
On March 28 2011 03:41 Piski wrote:
Oh yey same build from Cruncher. I thought someone said he was an innovative player.

What's with the hate? It's only 2 games and the FE into stargate is a very solid build.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1423
Corruptor+broodlord+zergling doesn't work ? Just asking, I honestly don't know.
MichaelZon
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland21 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1424
If Idra loses to this same boring deathpush, I'll start QQ:ing! /protoss player
Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1425
Idra gotta do some aggression or he will lose again.
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
MrKennyKRH
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark46 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1426
I kinda hope Cruncher 2-0's Idra. Would serve him right for treating this match as a walkover.
TLO: "but then ze templah comes in and its not boo-yah, but more like sad panda"
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19228 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1427
On March 28 2011 03:42 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2011 03:41 whiterabbit wrote:
Is there LQ stream for Day 4 of TSL like for 1st day?

Yes, click "TeamLiquidTV - LQ" on the stream section at the top right.

I think they mean "it's not working"?
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1428
Zerg can beat that ball, IdrA just didn't react to it properly. His corrupters didn't focus fire the colossi, he let them fight the VR's. What you do is have the corrupters focus fire the colossi, then replenish full hydras.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1429
Idra is so predictable. Cruncher had like 1 gate for a long time, but you can do it against Idra. He doesn't do Roach+Ling all-ins, he doesn't make Hydra drops, etc. He just builds Roaches+Hydras+Corrupter and hopes that he makes enough damage with his first 200/200 push.
Rawenkeke
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway350 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1430
On March 28 2011 03:39 Mawi wrote:
Hot_Bid Camera observing is so epic !!



Oh its hot_bid? He's doing amazing job, finally got to know who the camera guy is Been wondering since Tyler vs Strelok!
LittleJohn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden204 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1431
good, finally he gets drops..
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 18:43:46
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1432
On March 28 2011 03:38 blade55555 wrote:
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On March 28 2011 03:37 Warrior Madness wrote:
I don't understand why idra was so passive early on, he kept sniping his core early on but he really should've focused on whittling down his collosus with corrupters if wanted to allow him to get his 3rd uncontested.


You realize its a terrible decision to engage in a small choke right? Well thats all that map is for all 3 of his bases. Small chokes if he even tried to engage he'd kill 2 stalkers and lose his entire army.


I haven't seen VR/collosus on shakuras in a while but what else can you do with roach/hydra/corruptor? If you allow the toss to get his 3rd uncontested you have to dance with his army and try to pick off his gas units (while svaing your own) even if you lose a lot of your own. Later on idra suicided his what 15 corrupters to kill like 3 VRs? (When he intercepted them).

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Arkless
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1547 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1433
On March 28 2011 03:40 blade55555 wrote:
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On March 28 2011 03:39 MrCon wrote:
Idra with perfect macro but no good micro or game-plan, I mean, he had a lot of timing windows to kill cruncher, and his in battle choices were strange.


No he didn't. that 130 food army of toss would have beat that 200/200 zerg army because only place idra could place a fight was in a small choke as cruncher wasn't moving out till 200/200. I dont' see why people don't understand that...



No Idra pushed into his choke, and fed his corruptors to the voids. Equivalent to walking into a seige line. Your dumb for doing it. He shoulda just kept macroing and banking larva, then engaged more in the middle or a better position and overwhelm him with the reinforcments
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1434
Definition of macro game- build to 200, attack 20 minutes into the game. gg
The Notorious Winkles
Moonling
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States987 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1435
On March 28 2011 03:41 Tonic420 wrote:
I just love everyone crying about imbalance. To all you zerg players, be sure that one day in the future zerg will be the IMBA race. Just be patient!


I don't think people are neccesairly crying imbalance but did you now watch that fight? It wasn't even close
1% of koreans control 99% of starcraft winnings. #occupykorea.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1436
On March 28 2011 03:42 MoonBear wrote:
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On March 28 2011 03:41 MoonBear wrote:
On March 28 2011 03:40 MoonBear wrote:
On March 28 2011 03:39 MoonBear wrote:
On March 28 2011 03:38 MoonBear wrote:
On March 28 2011 03:37 MoonBear wrote:
On March 28 2011 03:36 MoonBear wrote:
Match 2: GSL Terminus RE
[image loading] (Z)EG.IdrA 0 vs 1 [image loading] (P)coL.Cruncher

Idra spawns as Red Zerg @3
Cruncher spawns as Blue Protoss @9

1:00
Idra with OL on 9, scouts north first. Cruncher with pylon on low ground and going with forge FE.

2:30
Idra with hatchery first on 15. 15 Nexus from Cruncher 30 seconds later. Pool goes down on 17, gas follows quickly.

4:00
Cruncher with a proxy pylon at the Zerg ramp. 4 Drones pulled to attack it, pylon cancelled just at the end. Chronon being used on probes. Cybercore is 20% done.

5:25
OLs hovering outside the Protoss base. Idra takes a third at the high-gas expo north of his nat. Cruncher going stargate.

6:50
Stalker and good positioning denies Idra scouting the stargate.

8:00
Voidrays now on the field. No warpgate.

8:30
58 drones out now. Voidray/Phoenix out. Evo Chamber and Hydra Den out now. Void snipes an OL.
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Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1437
On March 28 2011 03:37 riboflavin wrote:
Idra had virtually 100 percent scouting and failed to react properly. If the VR/stalker/colo deathball is such an unbeatable play why dont we see every P do it in the GSL? Cause it isn't perfect and a good Z player knows how to prevent it and counter.

Idra had ZERO micro in the final battle and then remade lings. Yeah, really impressive decision making. If ur gonna lose ur army, get value for it (kill the colo). He threw it away in the least cost efficient manner. Cruncher keeps winning against good players and people still want to knock him. I just don't get it.



This is wrong. The 13 void rays are much more scarier than the Colossus. Void rays never overkill and do extra damage against armored. It was necessary to kill them.
Tonic420
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada59 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1438
On March 28 2011 03:41 veraliar wrote:
Again.. no flexibility from Idra. Cruncher has nothing. Go banes and kill him now. But nope.


Great point! Idra could definitely do a early baneling bust and break Crunchers front but it seems that Idra feels the need to macro no matter what.
Blah!
Kage
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
India788 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1439
WTF I just came to know that the TSL games aren't actually live, but are telecasted from replays?
Suffo
Profile Joined March 2010
United States936 Posts
March 27 2011 18:42 GMT
#1440
On March 28 2011 03:42 DwmC_Foefen wrote:
Corruptor+broodlord+zergling doesn't work ? Just asking, I honestly don't know.


no void rays > all , collosus > zerglings?
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