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Tegin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States840 Posts
March 26 2011 22:58 GMT
#7941
On March 27 2011 07:55 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 07:54 h o w d i n i wrote:
anyone know if u can get the replays somewhere?


Vods will be up later.

edit: no replays being released.


Later as in later today or sometime over the weekend?
Pain is weakness leaving the body.
iExtrapolate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
March 26 2011 22:58 GMT
#7942
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.


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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7943
On March 27 2011 07:56 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 07:54 zerious wrote:
On March 27 2011 07:53 Piski wrote:
If the upsets continue, Cruncher is going to knock out IdrA... That's going to be interesting ^^


I'm pretty sure they're both playing on the NA server, so I doubt it will happen


Have you seen crunchers PvZ? Its pretty good. Yesterday he 4-0'd strifecro. I would be suprised if Idra won to be honest. Although its heavily dependant on map and positions.



I would not compare IdrA to StrifeCro. Even tho I have very much respect for Top NA players, StrifeCro is not even in the Top30 Foreigner Zergs imho. And IdrA is like #1 or #2 or #3 (dunno exactly ).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
allowicious
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States972 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7944
Can anyone post some of the recommended games to watch? I was unable to watch it today, and don't have time to go through them all to find the good ones .
lalalalala~~~
greycubed
Profile Joined May 2010
United States615 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7945
On March 27 2011 07:54 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
lets see what the korean community has to say bout this tsl ^^;
Some are saying it's great to have more than just Korea in the competition now, and others are blaming it on lag.
http://i.imgur.com/N3ujB.png
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7946
On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.

Are you serious?
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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7947
On March 27 2011 07:58 Dingo22 wrote:
All this rage on today's victors is silly. To blame lag for MVP's loss is dumb (Adel is in France, MVP in Korea... both played on NA servers... equal lag). The same holds true in Nestea v. Goody.


You haven't read anything in this thread, right? Cause there's loads of posts, one from Jinro, about eu->us having way less lag than kr->us.
KlaraFall
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany51 Posts
March 26 2011 22:59 GMT
#7948
None of the Liquibets became true :D
Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
March 26 2011 23:00 GMT
#7949
So, who else has had their bracket predictions blown to all hell thus far? All who are boned, say Aye!. AYE!
peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
March 26 2011 23:00 GMT
#7950
On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.


If that was the first game, it was because Ret didn't notice a Zealot at the watchtower and did not kill it. It saw everything coming for quite a long time, shouldn't have been too hard for Nani to do something about it. Big mistake by Ret unfortunately.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 23:01:29
March 26 2011 23:00 GMT
#7951
lol it is always so hilarious to hear casting of ZvT mech games... The incoming joke is almost inevitable.

"Terran is pushing in, but zerg has a ton of units streaming in, tons of reinforcements, I don't think terran can defend this, zerg is gonna clean this up...

Wow, wait... is terran actually gonna win this? I can't believe this, I don't know how he just defeated the zergs whole army, this is incredible!"

Yep. That's a very very familiar feeling Husky.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 26 2011 23:00 GMT
#7952
On March 27 2011 07:49 absalom86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 07:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Goodys TvZ gives me a lot of hope for SC2 - I hope he can show as nice timings TvP as well. It seems that when the right timing is hit, mech can actually have an SC1 like quality (game 3), where a small army can actually do something...

Surprised by the results but if we get more goody TvZ from it, Im not too disappointed. I have had to revise my opinion of goody lately (started with his games vs Dimaga a couple of weeks back in the finals of some tournament).


Are you going to join up with Goody and become the second master of METAL of Europe ? Maybe catch some zergs in a triangle and choke them out with the applied pressure of tank shells and thor munitions ? Is it time to flying scissor heel hook a Protoss and twist until he begs to be roasted by blue flames?

Hehe, Ive been trying to mech a little again (I mean, Ive never stopped meching completely vs zerg, but its not like how I used to play back in mid 2010 when I only meched), but Im not doing so well with it right now. Dont have any of the timings down, as is to be expected, and Im in terrible shape right now for a whole bunch of reasons.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
March 26 2011 23:00 GMT
#7953
On March 27 2011 07:59 allowicious wrote:
Can anyone post some of the recommended games to watch? I was unable to watch it today, and don't have time to go through them all to find the good ones .


ALL !!! maybe exept set.2 ret vs nani ( IMO ! )
DeMusliM !!!
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7954
On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.


If you think about the drop on game 2, he actually SAW the roaches and OLs with a suicide lol-immortal.

On the third game, the only possible way that Ret could attack was the backdoor rocks, altho it was indeed weird to see him moving like that, he didnt have his whole army at his backdoor at that point, so he was also prepared for a frontal attack. Just game sense.
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7955
On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.


This is such a stupid post. I guess getting too many cannons when ret took a fast third was just to throw the viewers off then? Ffs...
ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7956
On March 27 2011 07:59 chrisolo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 07:56 Darpa wrote:
On March 27 2011 07:54 zerious wrote:
On March 27 2011 07:53 Piski wrote:
If the upsets continue, Cruncher is going to knock out IdrA... That's going to be interesting ^^


I'm pretty sure they're both playing on the NA server, so I doubt it will happen


Have you seen crunchers PvZ? Its pretty good. Yesterday he 4-0'd strifecro. I would be suprised if Idra won to be honest. Although its heavily dependant on map and positions.



I would not compare IdrA to StrifeCro. Even tho I have very much respect for Top NA players, StrifeCro is not even in the Top30 Foreigner Zergs imho. And IdrA is like #1 or #2 or #3 (dunno exactly ).


i would go with #1 ^^
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show." EGIdrA on "introduce yourself and say something about your personality" Idra <3
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7957
On March 27 2011 07:57 Docmedical wrote:
The koreans have so many disadvantages coming into this tourny, its no surprise that they are losing. To actually imply that Goody would go into the GSL and destroy everyone (especially TvT) is astounding. I must applaud my fellow forum users for having the balls to say such a misinformed statement.


How is it misinformed? Europe has soo many top terrans like Kas, Strelok, Cloud, Sjow, Bratok,... yet noboy is able to stop Goody lately in TvT. in various tournaments (and Goody literally plays every tournament there is).
Cloud (who lost his last 14 bo3's against Goody) said lately that Goody has the best TvT in Europe.

I would expect him to do very well vs Koreans in TvT, too.
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7958
Chill, I just want to say you're awesome! I hope you get to commentate some of the MLG events
Dingo22
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7959
Nani's backdoor defense was completely logical and there was no way he cheated.
Sine Metu (without fear)
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
March 26 2011 23:01 GMT
#7960
On March 27 2011 07:59 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2011 07:58 iExtrapolate wrote:
There were many moments in the game in which Naniwa repositioned his units to prepare for an attack at a non obvious position immediately before an attack occurred. Some people in this thread claim that this was purely intuition, but because the time at which the drop occurred and the time at which the stalkers were moved to position in which they could defend the drop was so close, if there were no map hacks, there was obviously a lot of luck involved. So the two explanations for the random preparedness of Naniwa are either that he has a great intuition and got lucky at several different times in the series or that he map hacked.

Considering that this is a tournament with a 5 figure prize pool and there is no way for the commentators to detect a map hacker, it is not without reason to assume that, in this tournament, they could exist. I think, for the sake of the legitimacy of this tournament, the replays from this series should be watched from Naniwa's vision to determine whether or not he map hacked. While I agree that it may be a little rash to outright accuse Naniwa of map hacking, it would be naive to just assume, that in all of those circumstances it was his intuition that prepared him for those non obvious attacks.

Are you serious?


I guess he is huge troll and big ret fan, who cannot realizing that Naniwas PvZ is topnotch atm (2-1 IdrA, 2-3 Sen, 2-1 ret).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
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