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Ktk
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)753 Posts
March 26 2011 20:25 GMT
#3981
If Nestea loses to this style I will never build marines again.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
March 26 2011 20:25 GMT
#3982
On March 27 2011 05:23 AlBundy wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:20 Coulthard wrote:
Guys you gotta realize that sc2 is different than sc1,all the aspects that made koreans superior in sc1 are gone in sc2,hardcore macro/multitasking,that takes years of practice in bw in order to be a good player.
Now it is obvious there are some lag problems here but I gotta say foreigners most of the times seem to outplay the koreans (at least today) so at least give them some credit.


Agreed. Sc2 puts more emphasis on the actual STRATEGY and TACTICS rather than mechanics.


There is just as much strategy in SC and certainly a bigger emphasis on tactics. Sounds like you don't know what you are talking about.
luckybeni2
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1065 Posts
March 26 2011 20:25 GMT
#3983
On March 27 2011 05:17 starcraft2rush wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:16 nufcrulz wrote:
the key events from that game that caused qxc to win (and no not lag)

1) constant harass (doesnt matter if qxc only killed a few probes everytime, the fact that qxc was everywhere meant genius had to constantly retreat his army/pull probes/put back probes on minerals and gas. this affects a player more than you think..

2) relatively good emps the entire game, although i think the main point would be that whenever genius engaged, his ht were trailing his main army by a bit too much, so when they eventually joined the fray, most of his ground units were already wiped out by qxc's mm. Even though he did cast very good storms, ht without ground support will not win you the game

3) genius not ending the game when he was at +40 supply versus qxc. again i think the constant harass by qxc made it impossible for genius to move out. but if he had moved out, hed probably have ended the game right there.

4) better upgrades by qxc and overall better refined strat. he went into the game wanting to go into lategame, and went into the game knowing that drop and reaper harass will be very good on this map with the 4th base and the back end of the 3rd being quite far away from where a toss main army would be situated


you fail to take into account the free nexus snipe from the lag fields early game. Not saying it was game changing but he lost his timing he was going for with phoenix gateway.

That was a big deal but he had the chance to win for a long time in multiple ways. Why didn't he expand more? That is pretty weak to have a huge army advantage and just sit there while your opponent gets back into the game.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
March 26 2011 20:25 GMT
#3984
On March 27 2011 05:24 MoonBear wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:22 MoonBear wrote:
Match 1: < Shakuras Plateau (Crossmap Spawns Only) >
[image loading] (T)ESC.GoOdy vs
[image loading]
(Z)IMNesTea

IM.NesTea spawns as Blue Zerg @1
ESC.Goody spawns as Red Terran @7

1:30
Nestea with Extractor trick for the extra drone. Goody with engineering bay block at the nat. Nestea pulls 4 drones to attack the engibay. Depot-rax wall at the main ramp.

3:20
Goody not getting gas. Gets an in-base CC and gets an Orbital at 18. Curious build.

NesTea has spawning pool and natural up. Goody fakes a bunker at the nat but loses the SCV and the marine runs away.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3985
GO GOODY!!! WE WANT UPSETS! FUCK OUR BRACKETS
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3986
goody makes marine, remembers that its not mech, sends it for sacrifice
hitman133
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1425 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3987
Why the hell did he block the expo so early, wasted minerals for no reason
pyro19
Profile Joined August 2010
6575 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3988
We"re 3 mins into the game and i see no factories
Is this the Real goody?
Thy Shall Die Alone...or emm..something like that.
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3989
haha stadium of nerds was awesome.

I would love to see some playxp translations to see what the koreans think of tsl if anyone could do it!
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3990
On March 27 2011 05:25 Fubb wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:24 Mawi wrote:
Aww man i dont want to be a rude guy but i definatley want to see both Minerals/Gas/Supply :/


only works on official (unedited) blizzard maps

Owww yeahhh! thanks for clearing it up for me , Damn blizzard its allways them ^^
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3991
On March 27 2011 05:24 jazzbassmatt wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:13 Creighton wrote:
On March 27 2011 05:09 tyrless wrote:
On March 27 2011 05:07 CurLy[] wrote:
TSL: White dudes own koreans


TSL: LAG owns Koreans

I'm worried for Nestea, Zerg is by far the worst race to play with lag that he could even drop games to panzernoob


You're a retard. This lag everyone is talking about has not even shown. Especially in the second match of Genius and QXC, with Genius reacting pretty instantly to drops (even if moving his whole army to them was kind of silly.)

Also, can I ask how a fucking earthquake effects the latency? I've been reading into it and have found nothing to suggest that an earthquake would have the slightest impact on latency.

As has been said by many before
Korean wins: OMG THEY'RE SO GOOD
Korean loses: OMG BLAME LAG
Non-Korean in Korea loses: NEEDS MORE KOREAN TRAINING


Most people are stupid, and this debate proves it.

User was warned for this post


You say it kind of strongly, but I agree with most of what you're saying. mvp and genius just seemed outplayed to me, and I don't see any reason why europeans would have any less lag than koreans.


It depends on the connection they are using. Generally, Europe is better connected to the US than Korea is. And given that the two major lines from Korea runs through Japan (or at least that's how I interpreted the map that was shown), the earthquake did a whammy as well.
Yargh
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-26 20:26:40
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3992
Why is he making a PF?
nvm nvm
End my suffering
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3993
Just wondering, what the hell do you need 300 APM for in the start of the game ;> I mean Goody's APM rises (a bit) when the game really gets under way, so don't fault him for that .
It appears I have been chosen.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3994
On March 27 2011 05:26 ToasteR_ wrote:
goody makes marine, remembers that its not mech, sends it for sacrifice



Haha, neat :D
Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3995
On March 27 2011 05:22 nokz88 wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:17 mathemagician1986 wrote:
can anybody translate this? google.translate just offers garbage:

http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=2709684


3/3 Marauders are really bullshit (no offensive tone though)
At least I hope it was exciting for you guys


Awesome, Koreans calling imba on marauders eh?
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3996
On March 27 2011 05:10 bennyaus wrote:
oGsMC twitter:

oGsMC 장민철
forienger progamers rank upgrade.. i need practice ^^

oGsMC 장민철
today TSL My gaming MInd Shock! i think Korean progamer better than forienger progamers but today i played FX Open & seeing TSL


Needs more quoting. MC might be cocky in certain circumstances, but he sure has a humble side as well!
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3997
On March 27 2011 05:24 Jimmeh wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:23 tdt wrote:
On March 27 2011 05:12 Beef Noodles wrote:
How is anyone hating on that game? That was by far the best SC2 game played so far. Period. And I'm a die hard zerg player...

Too many mistakes. Passive play. Like watching a couple silvers. Length does not equal good.


Mistakes, yes. Passive play? What the fuck.

not making mistakes in an hour long game is kindof hard...
dr Helvetica <3
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3998
On March 27 2011 05:22 Bleak wrote:
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On March 27 2011 05:19 Lann555 wrote:
On March 27 2011 05:18 AlBundy wrote:
Seriously we need more international tournaments / leagues. Foreigners are doing really well in the TSL however this is but a small sample. I wouldn't judge relative player's skills based on one bo3.


I honestly cannot wait till the GSL World Champioship. No lag to interfere and Koreans will certainly come prepared for those matches. That will truly show where the skill levels are


What is this Korean fetish here? Yes they practice hard and they deserve where they are, but they are not God. With enough practice and good play, they can be beaten.

Qxc played amazingly there, and as someone else said, Genius reacted time-wise perfectly to the drops, and in the engagements, the EMPs drove his templars back and his army lost to QxCs. I specifically looked for it, in the engagements multiple times, Genius pulled his templars back in fear of EMP. That was why the rest of his army was demolished by QxCs in that small time frame. And also, the rest of the EMPs were great aswell.



There is no fetish. No one is saying Koreans are unbeatable. Foreigners can obviously take games off them and they have so far. You cannot deny the fact that Koreans are better and that latency is playing an issue. All the foreigner pros have mentioned it in their pre game interviews. Idra said it, TLO said it, QXC said it. Obviously the lag is affecting them, but I won't take anything away from the foreigners either.
The Notorious Winkles
DailYLeet
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany827 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#3999
goody where is your double gas man? wtf is goin on
"King Goody spoke - you have to treat his words like gold , he is the wisest man , who ever crossed the EU server" - Cloud
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
March 26 2011 20:26 GMT
#4000
On March 27 2011 05:25 Ktk wrote:
If Nestea loses to this style I will never build marines again.

I will call you out on this so hard.
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