EPT[NASL] Players (final) - Page 209
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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. | ||
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Khai
Australia551 Posts
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On March 30 2011 21:05 dacthehork wrote: so for top foreign players like dimaga he is gonna have to win a 1024 man single elimination tournament to get in nasl ever? No, it looks like you didn't understand the tournament format. He's going to have to win a 1024 tournament to get into Season 1's 16 man finals tournament. He's going to have to get into the Top 8 of either of the two 1024 man tournaments the NASL hosts to get into Season 2. | ||
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
And the whole Demuslim situation is just ridiculous too. Well well, shit happens I guess. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
 The Demuslim affair a bit strange, but i would mostly blame EG for having no control over the entry in tournaments.Almost all of EG applyed and got in, didn't this process get handled within the team? | ||
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
On March 31 2011 17:12 Xeris wrote: What are we supposed to think when: DeMusliM has withdrawn from every major tournament over the past few months due to his injury, hasn't competed in anything or been active at all, has never come out and publicly stated "hey guys I'll be back playing in a week," then makes an application video where he's standing in front of a hospital wearing a cast and the first thing he says is "I had another accident with my hand." Do you think we're supposed to talk to every single player and make sure they can play? Why does DeMusliM need special treatment that we have to go specifically talk to him and see how his hand is doing and if he's able to play? No offense, but this is simply an unrealistic expectation. Take your post and apply this to a job opening. If you're applying to a job, are you just going to sit back and wait for your employer to come to you, or are you going to be proactive and make sure you do everything in your power to show your employer that you deserve the job? We didn't feel that DeMusliM would be a good choice for our league due to his injury keeping him out of commission basically since December. As for NightEnd -- once again: Romania is a "high risk" country, as are Russia, Ukraine, and Poland (just because Romania is in the EU doesn't mean they have a VISA waiver program... which they don't, which makes it automatically more difficult to get a VISA to the US). We didn't want to have multiple "high risk" players in the league due to obvious reasons. What if more than 1 of them qualifies for the finals, can't get a VISA, and don't show up? That ruins our live event completely. White-Ra has demonstrated an ability to come to the US, BRAT_OK showed us his VISA, as did Strelok. So we were really left with two players (MaNa and NightEnd) from "high risk" countries. We only wanted to select 1; we chose MaNa. As I said multiple times before -- I should have explicitly stated the need for a VISA. I mistakenly thought it was obvious that people outside the US would ask about it considering the contract states that you must guarantee your ability to enter the US. It was my fault for not explicitly stating that they needed a VISA. I'm not going to post more about the issue since everyone has said their piece. GL! I said i wouldn't go public with this, but anyways i felt i had to respond after this message from you Xeris. February first i broke my elbow, hand, and forearm. Obviously in no state to play any recent tournaments i did withdrew. At this point i was ranked 1 on EU ladder, and just came off a 3rd place finish at IEM and a XMG win to go to CEBIT, I won't even include showmatchs or Solo leagues as i believe even counting alone the IEM placing as an adequate result for the start of 2011. I just wanted to make it clear that i was making results before my injury, and pretty notable ones at that. Given that your counting my not playing since December, Their are players that haven't acheived anything since the BETA, nevermind December, and yet you pin point me out, but i'll move onto the next point. Withdrawing from tournaments. You make this sound as if i did this last minute, or as if i signed up to these tournaments and then pulled out, which i'll just make clear was and is not the case at all. The tournaments i pulled out of, Which ill list - EPS, IEM globals, Finnish Assembly and BDL I was involved in way before my accident took place, which is why i withdrew, it wasn't a "oh i'll sign up knowing i won't put up a fight", I simply was in them already, and thus had to withdraw. After my initial operation - i was already able to live a normal life within 3 weeks, that includes playing starcraft 2 to a somewhat decent level. (if anybody has the time you can see that towards the end of february i had a little stint on my EGDeMusliM account and played a few games, not the best win %, but still above 50%) With 3 broken sections of my arm. I knew i still wasn't ready for competition just yet, obviously - But i took the time to withdraw myself from competition altogether and rest. There was even one point when i returned home for Physiotherapy (My own choice and money went into this) since i wanted to be back in tip top shape asap. I remember booking this DIRECTLY after my 3 week scan, and even had a minor conflict with one of my managers about missing a tournament i was to attend (this was IEM Global finals). While i haven't made my point quite yet, I didn't want to enter a tournament unprepared, or unfit. Hopefully people are understanding that, i didn't want to embarrass myself, or have any fans lose faith in me. I didn't want to be in a position where i would lose and could still use my arm as an excuse. With the recent news of NASL being the next big thing, when i returned to Germany to have my screws/wires out and a plate fitted (all planned) - Kevin gathered together the money for a new Camera, and came to the hospital to visit on the day i was "Released". This was the deadline, and we set it up, i had no worries. I did my preparation for the NASL, I spent alot of money on physiotherapy, i had alot of time out of tournaments, not only because i didn't quite feel ready, but i was let's say a little infamous for not participating in weekly tournaments anyway due to personal reasons. I finally put a date on when i'd be in perfect condition and when i'd be able to partake in tournaments with a clear conscience and 100% fit body and the NASL was to be my debut. While you stated i shouldn't have received special treatment, this is particularly poignant, as i believed i received just that. I won't take into account my team mate acts like a spokes man and hyped up this league with the announcement to the best of his ability. But i do believe that when looking at the list of players and ruling me out on the account of spending 4 minutes watching my application video to find that i was wearing a half-cast to be well, a poor excuse. Given the fact you are so close to incontrol, and most likely EG - im PRETTY sure relaying a message "hey can you check Ben can actually play in this league?" to not really warrant any extra work. I explained to my managers in late february that i was having physio and when i could play. Even on our teams ventrilo it was asked when i'd be able to play again, (this was directed at for clanwars) and i responded April. So while this was a matter of spending less than 2 minutes relaying a message to me in anyway, shape or form possible - be it as informal as facebook, it would have worked - and you would have got your answer. The fact i have, practically wasted alot of my own time, and money in going the extra mile in order to prepare for your tournament. While this message only explains how i feel about the whole situation, and won't help me in anyway - and is only a response to xeris', i feel it necessary to voice what was going on the last 2 months. While I don't want to point any blame card, Please Xeris - on a public forum don't discredit me with wild, false accusations and certainly don't kick a dog while he's down. I did everything that was asked of me, i signed the NASL forms in EMail and assumed everything was fine for partaking in your league. I asked incontrol via facebook if it was likely i'd get selected, as far as i know there was no problem, the same should have been for you. Thanks for those who have shown continous support not only throughout this thread, but in general - i WON'T let you down. As i said previously, before you chose to slander me, GL with your league - i hope it runs well, i'll be following it intently, and i will be a part of it in the future  . | ||
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WGarrison
United States96 Posts
Now NASL was adding candidates based off of several sub groups. Demuslim is part of the groups Terran, Europe. Lets look at the other European Terrans LiquidTLO dignitas.SjoW mouz.Strelok RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK ESC.GoOdy MYM.ClouD If Demuslim was accepted he would be bumping one of the listed European Terrans out of the list. I would not be comfortable bumping any names on that list after the application video in the cast. Even if a call went out to Demuslim to ask if he could play, even with an answer of oh this is just a support cast that I can remove, I still don't feel comfortable bumping any of the other players on this list for someone who has not been able to play recently due to injury. So before you get too mad about what happened with Demuslim, realize that his seat did not go to waste. He wasn't just denied for the sake of being denied. The injury and cast was what ranked him below the stellar list of European Terrans that got invited. I wouldn't feel right telling any of those players that they had to sit for Demuslim. | ||
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:30 WGarrison wrote: It is unfortunate what happened to Demuslim and I would like to have seen him in if he is indeed in fit form. However, one thing that people aren't realizing is that he wasn't simply just denied just to be barred from the NASL. He was denied in favor of adding a different player. Now NASL was adding candidates based off of several sub groups. Demuslim is part of the groups Terran, Europe. Lets look at the other European Terrans LiquidTLO dignitas.SjoW mouz.Strelok RoX.KIS.BRAT_OK ESC.GoOdy MYM.ClouD If Demuslim was accepted he would be bumping one of the listed European Terrans out of the list. I would not be comfortable bumping any names on that list after the application video in the cast. Even if a call went out to Demuslim to ask if he could play, even with an answer of oh this is just a support cast that I can remove, I still don't feel comfortable bumping any of the other players on this list for someone who has not been able to play recently due to injury. So before you get too mad about what happened with Demuslim, realize that his seat did not go to waste. He wasn't just denied for the sake of being denied. The injury and cast was what ranked him below the stellar list of European Terrans that got invited. I wouldn't feel right telling any of those players that they had to sit for Demuslim. In that case, your explanation in the player selection should be ''we wanted 6 european terran players, and in our opinion DeMuslim is of equal caliber to x, x and x, but since he has been rather inactive lately, we have chosen x and x over him'' Not something like ''oh yeah well we saw he was wearing a cast in his video so we just decided to not consider him cause he could be a liability because hell have to work his way up'' | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On March 31 2011 23:34 Termit wrote: lol at picking Grubby and iNcontroL over Minigun and NightEnD, especially when iNcontroL is the face of the league and one of the casters and Grubby just started playing. And the whole Demuslim situation is just ridiculous too. Well well, shit happens I guess. Nice when people can't read. No one was picked OVER NightEnD, he wasn't picked because of possible visa issues (legitimate or not those were the reasons) not because of someone else over him and Grubby was picked along with Artosis and MoMaN as the fan favorites so they filled a certain role in the process that wasn't completely based on skill which was a known factor going in. So the only part of your post that is even a possible argument is iNcontroL over Minigun which comes down to purely your opinion on who may be a better player. | ||
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Prostak
Poland192 Posts
when this cup start? | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
But it´s really easy to say something like this now, befor demuslim and nightend postet I was really pleased with the invites, a good mix of the best players of each region and some (hopefully) upcoming stars who could only present themselfs in small online cups. Love the reaction of Minigun and demuslim to stay calm and not make a big fuss. And nightends reaction is very understandable too, I don´t blame him for his disappointment. Good luck too everyone not choosen for next season and the open this season. Good luck Xeris and other staff for the league, must be very hard to put this much work in it and be flamed by a large amount of people in forum, but i´m sure most do/did it because they want the NASL to become big. And i hope demuslim has now time to participate in more of take´s events like homestory cup (pleeease make a third cup!!) | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Of course we still don't even know who is taking part in the selection process other than Xeris. I doubt it's him alone, that would be foolish since we all have personal biases including him. The entire organization hierarchy of the NASL or whatever you want to call it is still kind of muddy and unclear to me. Inc has gone from the guy breaking the announcement and sounding like he's the most important part of the NASL to acting as though he has nothing to do with it whatsoever anymore. Speculating on how or why Demuslim didn't get picked is kind of pointless because we don't know who all has actual say and what their true reasoning would be. I don't really buy the tale of how they deduced by the cast and being outside of a hospital that not only was he unfit to play SC2 but also possibly terminal. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:43 Prostak wrote: i dont want to read all this posts when this cup start? 14 weeks, check back in early August. | ||
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Better than IdrA
Ukraine50 Posts
Uh try second week of April. | ||
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WGarrison
United States96 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:36 TurpinOS wrote: In that case, your explanation in the player selection should be ''we wanted 6 european terran players, and in our opinion DeMuslim is of equal caliber to x, x and x, but since he has been rather inactive lately, we have chosen x and x over him'' Not something like ''oh yeah well we saw he was wearing a cast in his video so we just decided to not consider him cause he could be a liability because hell have to work his way up'' I think that is mostly Xeris fault. To be constructively critical of Xeris, I think the way he has been releasing information has been unintentionally inflammitory because it requires a bit too much of a logic leap that people aren't ready to make. Xeris I feel is trying to be transparent, but the information coming out is just a step short of clear each time and it is inciting the comunity. Half the comunity is taking a step to say hey it makes sense if NASL handles it this way, while the other half is taking as shady and underhanded. For example Demuslim said, "While I don't want to point any blame card, Please Xeris - on a public forum don't discredit me with wild, false accusations and certainly don't kick a dog while he's down." If you read all the information quickly many people feel the same way as Demuslim and I don't blame them. However if you read what is actually said I don't think Xeris discredits Demuslim at all. In the end I think there was a small communication disconnect. Partly Xeris fault for not being a little more clear (easy to make mistake), and its partially on us readers for not reading between the lines. In the end the seat that wasn't available to Demuslim went to another very talented player and I don't think there is any shame in this for Demuslim. | ||
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Zaffy
United Kingdom128 Posts
edit: wow just read the FAQ, random way of doing things but good luck with it all, hope it works out and the sponsors come back for season 4 and more ! | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
Of course you can't please everybody, so there will be always complains about the invites, but you could at least improve your qualification process. "Top 8 from an open tournament" is really awful, especially for such long seasons. | ||
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Rustug
1488 Posts
About DeMusliM: He should have been more public, upfront, with the fact that his injury would not be a problem for participation in the NASL. I re-watched his application video and what I got from it was that he re-injured his arm and that he is a nice guy with an interesting, competitive career. About Xeris: The public persona of a professional athlete is the most valuable asset that individual has. If he is going to criticize it publicly he better prepare for some negative feedback and as the NASL hasn't had the smoothest conception I would think he would want to avoid any more controversies. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
...That was the whole points, he lied to him so he would miss the whole event. | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On March 31 2011 09:48 Defacer wrote: All this whining and bitching reminds me of Steve Nash. Steve Nash was never scouted by any big Division I universities. He was a complete unknown playing basketball on an island in a country where there is no amateur basketball league, let alone a professional one. Instead of sitting on his ass feeling sorry for himself, he made a highlight reel, wrote letters and sent a tape to thirty Division I schools in the US, and FINALLY, someone from tiny Santa Clara University requested a tape and offered him a scholarship. If "professionals" are "serious" about wanting to make hundreds of thousands off of Starcraft, maybe they should stop feel sorry for themselves and actually show the kind initiative that EVERYONE needs to get their dream job. People can complain all they want about Artosis or InControl being in the NASL, but they've obviously contributed more to the SC2 Community and e-sports over the past decade than a lot of these "better" players. Artosis moved to fucking Korea, and was making original Starcraft content before IdrA's balls had even dropped. InControl legitimized online coaching and relocated to California to stay involved with the NASL. THAT'S REAL COMMITMENT. wow, stay off the energy drinks mate If you read the complaints from the players none of them were made aware of the full criteria until after the event, there will aways be whiners/differences of opinions on the forums though NASLs communication to the players and public and the handing of the PR side is bronze league so far, they obviously dont have anyone guiding them | ||
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
On March 31 2011 22:27 RotterdaM wrote: Once more he Made top 3 in in Kiev on 22th of January so saying that he didnt do anything in 2011 is bullshit, also he won every clanwar he played in 2011 and smashed Tyler 3-1 in Europe vs USA. If you _really_ think he wont get back in shape in 2/3 weeks to compete vs clearly inferior players as the ones he destroyed in January I honestly don't think you understand a lot about E-sports Skillwise. Also worth mentioning, in Wc3 Demuslim once went inactive for more than a year cause he didn't enjoy the game anymore, he then Announced he would be playing again in Rougly April or So, in may he qualified as top 8 Non Chinese ( that includes top koreans lol ) Wc3 player and a month later qualified for the Blizzard Ladder finals, the guy is talented as fuck and if he can be on top of his game in Wc3 after retiring for more than a year within rougly 2 months, how could he suddenly lose his skill in sc II in 2 months, how is this considered a big risk? If anything its a safe bet -_-. Hell I take a bet that Demuslim will be destroying NASL participants Mid May Already, who's in? :D It's unfortunate that they didn't have his life story to know he could be an exception to that general rule, that people are rusty and suck after not playing for a while. It's also really ridiculous how easily everyone can point at mistakes already occurred and say, "well obviously, they should have done this." Where was all your input before these problems came up? Right, you didn't anticipate them either, in spite of the large amount of complaints about the Clash of the Titans production, which might have prompted some inquiries. I'll grant that it isn't your job to anticipate problems as you're spectators and not running the NASL, but since they are so obvious and already acknowledged by Xeris and Co, is it really necessary to keep griping? Read more of the thread if you're just jumping in now. | ||
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