EPT[NASL] Players (final) - Page 208
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Players such as Jinro, HuK, and Adelscott did not apply for this tour, so don't ask why they aren't on this list. DIMAGA, Kas, and LaLush turned applications in late so they will not appear either. Please take some time to learn who exactly applied. Please inform yourself about who applied and who didn't. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
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Ikuu
United Kingdom97 Posts
On March 31 2011 17:12 Xeris wrote: What are we supposed to think when: DeMusliM has withdrawn from every major tournament over the past few months due to his injury, hasn't competed in anything or been active at all, has never come out and publicly stated "hey guys I'll be back playing in a week," then makes an application video where he's standing in front of a hospital wearing a cast and the first thing he says is "I had another accident with my hand." Do you think we're supposed to talk to every single player and make sure they can play? Why does DeMusliM need special treatment that we have to go specifically talk to him and see how his hand is doing and if he's able to play? No offense, but this is simply an unrealistic expectation. Take your post and apply this to a job opening. If you're applying to a job, are you just going to sit back and wait for your employer to come to you, or are you going to be proactive and make sure you do everything in your power to show your employer that you deserve the job? We didn't feel that DeMusliM would be a good choice for our league due to his injury keeping him out of commission basically since December. First of all if I went to an interview with an injury they would probably ask me about it, but the application process isn't an interview and you're not actually talking to someone. I find it hard to believe that it would have been difficult to send a simple email to DeMuslim/EG and ask for clarification on the injury and if he would heal in time. If you're applying for a job and are an exceptional candidate then the employer is going to do some extra work to get you if they feel your worth it. This isn't like McDonalds were anyone can do the job, you're trying to get the best players and should be willing to do a little extra to get him. | ||
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MBH
Ireland796 Posts
No trolling, serious question, why is that? Are all Eastern European countrys declared "high risk"? | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On March 31 2011 16:43 xlnt wrote: I like how several people state that the "weaker players will be drawn out" from the league in the first season and then the people who deserves a spot will be able to qualify through the 1024 people bracket easliy. If you compare winning 4/9 games in a full season (I think it's about what it would take to stay in the top 6 spots) to getting top 16? in 1024 tournament, where you have to win Ro1024, Ro512, Ro256, Ro128, Ro64, Ro32, in a row.. it's alot harder to take all those games back-to-back where you can't lose a single game. So saying that Demuslim will be in easily if he "deserves" it, is clearly a wrong statement, since it's ALOT easier to just get a spot in the league from some people that choose you because you're NorthAmerican and after that just keep staying there. There's a few player that comes to mind that have WAY lesser experience and not even halfly on par with demu, even if he would be playing with 1 hand. I am sorry, are you seriously comparing fighting against random scrubs in that open tournament to fighting against strong players in each of the 9 matches? Yes, there is a chance that DeMuslim will run into a strong player in Ro512 but hopefully NASL will seed players that are better and put them far apart so they cannot meet until ro32 or ro16. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
This is madness, he can't play while holding a baguette! Why on earth did they invite him?!? | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:27 MBH wrote: Are Poland an Romania really "high risk" countrys in the eyes of the US Government? No trolling, serious question, why is that? Are all Eastern European countrys declared "high risk"? Countries without visa programs with US are. It's not 100% that a person will get a visa if they aply. I don't know about Poland but Romania doesn't have have that. Yet. | ||
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DizzyDrone
Netherlands629 Posts
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Daigomi
South Africa4316 Posts
If the rest of the NASL is organized and produced well, I think it will be an amazing tournament to watch. Do we know when the broadcasts will start yet? | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:45 DizzyDrone wrote: People are getting too hung up on the DeMuslim application video being the issue. The real issue is that he hasn't had any real practice in 2011, and will only have a few weeks to get into shape for the NASL. You can't blame them for choosing someone else that will be in shape over him. This would be true if they hadn't made it crystal clear that players shape, form or results come secondary to e-fame and popularity. | ||
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Ludwigvan
Germany2364 Posts
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scrooge
20 Posts
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oYsteR
United Kingdom142 Posts
On March 31 2011 17:12 Xeris wrote: What are we supposed to think when: DeMusliM has withdrawn from every major tournament over the past few months due to his injury, hasn't competed in anything or been active at all, has never come out and publicly stated "hey guys I'll be back playing in a week," then makes an application video where he's standing in front of a hospital wearing a cast and the first thing he says is "I had another accident with my hand." Do you think we're supposed to talk to every single player and make sure they can play? Why does DeMusliM need special treatment that we have to go specifically talk to him and see how his hand is doing and if he's able to play? No offense, but this is simply an unrealistic expectation. Take your post and apply this to a job opening. If you're applying to a job, are you just going to sit back and wait for your employer to come to you, or are you going to be proactive and make sure you do everything in your power to show your employer that you deserve the job? We didn't feel that DeMusliM would be a good choice for our league due to his injury keeping him out of commission basically since December. Couple of dodgy things going on here. 1) "DeMusliM has withdrawn from every major tournament over the past few months due to his injury" therefore he is not fit to play AND could be a liability (this seems to be the reasoning). However, if he is has been withdrawing, that is clearly an admission that he is unable to play and so if he is applying, he must be showing that he believes he is able to compete. To reason from his withdrawal from previous tournaments to his potential withdrawal from NASL based on the fact that he made an application is not only ridiculous, but plainly incorrect. 2) The responsibility doesn't just lie with the player, you too have to share some of the responsibility. Indeed it might even be considered common courtesy in this case to notify DeMusliM if there were some external factor that might impinge on his effective demonstration of skill (which has been proved by numerous results, one of your key criteria). Given that your criteria for selection apparently was results/popularity (at least that how you first portrayed it) to reject a player for something external to these looks very bad. Everybody wants NASL to succeed, and doubtless given the (largely) excellent player pool it will, however, the constant contradictions, bizarre methods of communication between the administration and players (really on a public forum? for a first season that has a prize of $100k that's so surprising), problems about conflict of interest and generally amateur feel, all combine make fans and players frustrated and confused. The way you dealt with DeMusliM is unfair - so many mixed messages about what a player needs to get in, with the reasoning only explained after the event, when he clearly fulfilled two of your two (at the time) criteria reflects very badly on you, especially as has been mentioned, you missed a potential fanbase (the UK). I hope you can step up your communication and attitude in the future so such ugly debacles are avoided. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10596 Posts
Has done nothing in 2011 (because of his arm). Inviting him would have been a stupid risk. | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
If you _really_ think he wont get back in shape in 2/3 weeks to compete vs clearly inferior players as the ones he destroyed in January I honestly don't think you understand a lot about E-sports Skillwise. Also worth mentioning, in Wc3 Demuslim once went inactive for more than a year cause he didn't enjoy the game anymore, he then Announced he would be playing again in Rougly April or So, in may he qualified as top 8 Non Chinese ( that includes top koreans lol ) Wc3 player and a month later qualified for the Blizzard Ladder finals, the guy is talented as fuck and if he can be on top of his game in Wc3 after retiring for more than a year within rougly 2 months, how could he suddenly lose his skill in sc II in 2 months, how is this considered a big risk? If anything its a safe bet -_-. Hell I take a bet that Demuslim will be destroying NASL participants Mid May Already, who's in? :D | ||
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dtz
5834 Posts
Granted his preparation might not be 100 percent but so many other people has not been active or preparing actively for a very long time and still did very well. I think DeMuslim deserves the benefit of the doubt here considering his track record just like how NASL believed in Artosis, or how TSL believed in Mondragon. Plenty of players have been inactive and were able to kick ass immediately ( Tyler and Mondragon in TSL 2?) And I believe it is extremely common if you apply for something and some clarifications are needed, that the organization ( be it a company, bureaucracy , or anything) contacted the applicants for clarification. Maybe NASL is extremely short staffed but i still don't believe that is a very good excuse. If NASL really need clarification that the participants are in good health, it should ask in the first place in the registration form or something. Be more specific in asking if those specifics are important to you. Otherwise, the participants are in the dark of what is really required of them. Well the way this has been handled seems regrettable and NASL assuming a lot of things from the video doesn't help. The way it is, next time around , all players will just film their application in the dark room and give very boring generic interview so that NASL will not be able to "assume anything" My sympathy goes to DeMuslim ( and Nightend ) and hope they will come back stronger. Regardless , hopefully NASL will be a big hit and succeed despite what seems like a rough start because in the end , how they handle the games will be what matters. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On March 31 2011 21:28 -Archangel- wrote: I am sorry, are you seriously comparing fighting against random scrubs in that open tournament to fighting against strong players in each of the 9 matches? Yes, there is a chance that DeMuslim will run into a strong player in Ro512 but hopefully NASL will seed players that are better and put them far apart so they cannot meet until ro32 or ro16. It's not just about running into a better player, a 1024 tournament usually have a lot of bo1 rounds (not sure how nasl are going to do it). If it's such a system we can tell from experience that there will be "some random scrub" beating a reqognized good player (usually rush/cheese). You seem to underestimate the fact that even good players can lose against players nobody have heard of. Any random master player can beat a pro once in a while. | ||
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Ashby
Australia204 Posts
And demuslim is one of the best non korean terrans out there... bit of a joke that he isnt in the league EDIT: sorry for raging about Dimaga, I didn't realise he did a late app. | ||
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On March 31 2011 22:28 dtz wrote: Granted his preparation might not be 100 percent but so many other people has not been active or preparing actively for a very long time and still did very well. I think DeMuslim deserves the benefit of the doubt here considering his track record just like how NASL believed in Artosis, or how TSL believed in Mondragon. Plenty of players have been inactive and were able to kick ass immediately ( Tyler and Mondragon in TSL 2?) I totally agree with that. | ||
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NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On March 31 2011 22:27 RotterdaM wrote: Once more he Made top 3 in in Kiev on 22th of January so saying that he didnt do anything in 2011 is bullshit, also he won every clanwar he played in 2011 and smashed Tyler 3-1 in Europe vs USA. If you _really_ think he wont get back in shape in 2/3 weeks to compete vs clearly inferior players as the ones he destroyed in January I honestly don't think you understand a lot about E-sports Skillwise. Also worth mentioning, in Wc3 Demuslim once went inactive for more than a year cause he didn't enjoy the game anymore, he then Announced he would be playing again in Rougly April or So, in may he qualified as top 8 Non Chinese ( that includes top koreans lol ) Wc3 player and a month later qualified for the Blizzard Ladder finals, the guy is talented as fuck and if he can be on top of his game in Wc3 after retiring for more than a year within rougly 2 months, how could he suddenly lose his skill in sc II in 2 months, how is this considered a big risk? If anything its a safe bet -_-. Hell I take a bet that Demuslim will be destroying NASL participants Mid May Already, who's in? :D You are criticizing xeris for throwing around false statistics when you are doing the same. Demuslim was not undefeated in clan wars in 2011. | ||
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Escapist
Portugal548 Posts
Yes, i personally miss at least a couple of players that i was hoping would be grabing a spot but didnt. But thats all a matter of personal taste and preference so its all good and hopefully on following NASL seasons some of them will get the chance to show their style. Best of luck for the NASL and im ready to enjoy every match. | ||
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