[NASL] Players (final) - Page 206

On March 31 2011 12:33 Xeris wrote:
Nope, the divisions are already made, we tried to avoid teams playing each other when making the divisions, we're not changing stuff now though

On March 31 2011 12:21 Cynexyst wrote:
What's with all the complaining? There are great players, a lot of matches to be played and a lot of prize money on the line. I don't see how people can possibly complain about a SC2 tournament.

On March 31 2011 13:31 greycubed wrote:
You're ostensibly living in a meritocracy. Anything seen as contrary to those ideals will offend some people.

Personally I'm worried some of the very very top players like Dimaga, Kas, and DeMuslim may not get the good luck they'd need to get through a 1024 man qualifier for Season 2- which would take some legitimacy away from the eventual NASL champion.

I haven't read much about season 2 but I hope they save some spots for clearly deserving players like those listed above.

On March 31 2011 13:31 greycubed wrote:
You're ostensibly living in a meritocracy. Anything seen as contrary to those ideals will offend some people.

Personally I'm worried some of the very very top players like Dimaga, Kas, and DeMuslim may not get the good luck they'd need to get through a 1024 man qualifier for Season 2- which would take some legitimacy away from the eventual NASL champion.

I haven't read much about season 2 but I hope they save some spots for clearly deserving players like those listed above.

On March 31 2011 14:11 flowSthead wrote:
This is my first post in TeamLiquid. I have been reading stuff for a while, but never really bothered to post because I'm a n00b and I do not have much to contribute. I do have a couple of things to say in this particular thread though.

I think a lot of you should be ashamed. I came to this website by Day[9]'s recommendation that the Starcraft community was one of the nicest and most respectful communities out there, and frankly it just is not the case. Some of the comments here have been worse than YouTube comments.

Being cautious, having gripes, having disappointments are all understandable. I do not mind it when people complain about certain players getting in and other players not getting in. What I hate is this attitude that someone owes you something. NASL does not owe you anything. If they came out with an advertisement of the 50 best players, and they chose 50 total unknowns, well that is that. Most likely they would fail since no one would watch it. Acting like they owe you the 50 best players is ridiculous seeing as you have not contributed anything to them. Are any of you shareholders? Have any of you bought tickets (I know it isn't possible yet but the point still stands that you have made no contributions)? No.

If you want to complain about a choice, at least show some class and do it respectfully. Having disagreements is fine, but people are raging on here about a lack of professionalism and about certain players getting on or not getting on. This is a fucking Starcraft 2 tournament. It is a video game. A video game that we all care about a lot, but it's not fucking World War II or the management of the fallout in Japan.

I find it really funny/sad that there are over 150 pages complaining about a lack of Koreans, and then maybe one or two people after the final list saying they had changed their minds about their complaints.

I'm sick so I am not really thinking straight and this post looks kinda stupid now, but I am just so goddamn disappointed. I just wanted to enjoy an online community that wasn't full of ignorant people flaming and complaining every day. From all the hype from people like Day[9], I thought I had finally found one, but I guess not. I guess every single online community is inevitably going to be filled with stupid people. It just makes me extremely sad.

That having been said, I will finish this by saying Minigun, I am now definitely a fan. You showed major class throughout this. Same thing with Xeris. You answered complaints without raging, and maintained a cool head. Even if mistakes were made, I was really happy to see you wish NightEnd good luck in getting in Season 2, it shows some major class on your part not taking his criticisms personally (I never would have been able to do it, I rage hard). Don't sweat the haters, I am sure I am not the only person who does not post on here because of all the flaming and still supports your endeavors.

Also, clearly not everyone in this thread is whining and complaining, but the complaining drowns out the rational people, and I am sorry if anyone rational is offended. I realize you guys exist, it just seems like you are in the minority.

On March 31 2011 14:22 AimForTheBushes wrote:
There's not a community that exists that doesn't have its share of "ignorant" or "stupid" people. You're horribly naive thinking that you're going to find one, of all places, ON THE INTERNET. So please hop down from your high-horse and notice that there are plenty of good threads here on TL. However, jumping into a thread as controversial and opinionated as this one and thus declaring the site full of stupid people, is just..you guessed it: stupid.

On March 31 2011 14:32 flowSthead wrote:


That seems like such a defeatist attitude. And 150 pages of people complaining about something that just required a little patience is hardly just a "share" of ignorant and stupid people. Why shouldn't I have high expectations? Just because this is the Internet does not mean that people cannot act intelligently on it. All it takes is a little effort.

On March 31 2011 09:07 RotterdaM wrote:
So to sum things up for the final time ;

Demuslim did not get invited because he was wearing a cast in his video. A cast which first of all isnt even a cast, its more of a support/protection "Cast" something he put off whenever we want :D, we decided to make that video in front of the hospital to add some character instead of a dark room..instead of anyone contacting Demuslim about it he just gets declined by drawing conclusions without getting _anything_ confirmed.

Nightend didn't get picked because he didnt include a Paper which they didnt ask for. He should have just magicly smelled it because he's from Romania and apparently there is a chance he wouldn't be able to go to the usa. They tell him afterwards. This is like Declining Ret because he didnt give a doctor's subscription which shows he ain't drug addict since netherlands has a lot of them. And no one told Ret in advance he had too. that seems a little weird. :D

Don't understand how a few people can write they handled it very professional, the post from Xeris was quite reasonable indeed and explained a few things nice, but these are still 2 _MASSIVE_ failures imo, which didn't have to happen at all, a small notice to nightend before the 50 players are actually announced and everything would have been fine., contacting Demuslim if he's actually able to play in 3 weeks and its already a lot more reasonable, then its still up to NASL to pick him or not, but not contacting demuslim at all and then draw conclusions out of a video without knowing the who's or not. I'm a little dissapointed, i can certainly understand nightends sadness since I indeed remember him getting declined by blizzard for season 7 just because he's Romanian, now he gets screwed again because he's Romanian and apparently has to do something that no one else has to or no one knew about, thats just wrong.

On March 31 2011 14:51 mordk wrote:


Totally agreed. So many people are missing the point here. The reason for outlining Demu is crazy and has absolutely no justification, it just makes no sense at all. Couldn't they just contact him and ask "hey dude, can you play?". It doesn't seem that hard.

On the nightend issue. It actually doesn't matter if he knew or not about visa issues. It's NASL's responsibility to CLEARLY specify what documents/certification/whatever, they require in order for a player to issue a valid application. To make a gross example. If you go to the doctor and you don't ask what risks are involved in that surgery you require, the doctor HAS to tell you anyways, since it is required for you to sign an informed consent before getting operated. It's the same thing, all requirements and conditions must be thoroughly explained and detailed BY THE PROVIDER, no matter if the "consumer" is proactive or not about it.

And the deeper thing behind all of this is that these are 2 organization BAD FAILS, and they show that at some point of the whole organization chain, SOMETHING is going wrong or SOMEONE is making mistakes. This is a tournament involving hundreds of thousands of dollars and signed contracts with legal value, it should be a more seriously executed process.

On March 31 2011 15:05 MorNin wrote:

So much bitching.... If a player has a cast during the interview it shows that he needs it and he should of stated that he has been practicing (if he has) and is capable of playing at a high level. It is not the IMO NASL should not be at blame for a players mistake, Each team has a MANAGER and the MANAGER is the one that should be aware of everything. If the players are professional they should have the common sense of asking what they need to provide, and A VISA is pretty Obvious.

On March 31 2011 14:51 mordk wrote:


Totally agreed. So many people are missing the point here. The reason for outlining Demu is crazy and has absolutely no justification, it just makes no sense at all. Couldn't they just contact him and ask "hey dude, can you play?". It doesn't seem that hard.

On the nightend issue. It actually doesn't matter if he knew or not about visa issues. It's NASL's responsibility to CLEARLY specify what documents/certification/whatever, they require in order for a player to issue a valid application. To make a gross example. If you go to the doctor and you don't ask what risks are involved in that surgery you require, the doctor HAS to tell you anyways, since it is required for you to sign an informed consent before getting operated. It's the same thing, all requirements and conditions must be thoroughly explained and detailed BY THE PROVIDER, no matter if the "consumer" is proactive or not about it.

And the deeper thing behind all of this is that these are 2 organization BAD FAILS, and they show that at some point of the whole organization chain, SOMETHING is going wrong or SOMEONE is making mistakes. This is a tournament involving hundreds of thousands of dollars and signed contracts with legal value, it should be a more seriously executed process.

On March 31 2011 15:14 SiguR wrote:


I think it's apparent that you either were not entirely honest with your reasons for not allowing some of these players, or your management is making their decisions far too whimsically and do not recognize the gravity of their choices. I understand that this is very new territory for everyone involved and with that in mind, things have gone pretty smoothly. However, things haven't been perfect and I think it's hazardous to act as though they have been.