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On March 31 2011 09:07 RotterdaM wrote:
So to sum things up for the final time ;
Demuslim did not get invited because he was wearing a cast in his video. A cast which first of all isnt even a cast, its more of a support/protection "Cast" something he put off whenever we want :D, we decided to make that video in front of the hospital to add some character instead of a dark room..instead of anyone contacting Demuslim about it he just gets declined by drawing conclusions without getting _anything_ confirmed.
Nightend didn't get picked because he didnt include a Paper which they didnt ask for. He should have just magicly smelled it because he's from Romania and apparently there is a chance he wouldn't be able to go to the usa. They tell him afterwards. This is like Declining Ret because he didnt give a doctor's subscription which shows he ain't drug addict since netherlands has a lot of them. And no one told Ret in advance he had too. that seems a little weird. :D
Don't understand how a few people can write they handled it very professional, the post from Xeris was quite reasonable indeed and explained a few things nice, but these are still 2 _MASSIVE_ failures imo, which didn't have to happen at all, a small notice to nightend before the 50 players are actually announced and everything would have been fine., contacting Demuslim if he's actually able to play in 3 weeks and its already a lot more reasonable, then its still up to NASL to pick him or not, but not contacting demuslim at all and then draw conclusions out of a video without knowing the who's or not. I'm a little dissapointed, i can certainly understand nightends sadness since I indeed remember him getting declined by blizzard for season 7 just because he's Romanian, now he gets screwed again because he's Romanian and apparently has to do something that no one else has to or no one knew about, thats just wrong.
I dont know exactly whats going on, (Im not following this to every period) but its really hard to blame everything on the NASL. During the vid did you guys mention that cast was removable and just support? (even then, what happens if it gets some complications, either way, I think he was viewed as a high risk player) And Nightend had troubles with this same exact problem? Why didnt he mention it to them to clear it up? (I dont know every detail, so Im just going by this post, sorry if Im missing an details or misinformed)
The NASL has 100+ players to manage, then managers etc, they cant check up on everyone with a list. If you are sent on a trip to fly somewhere for either class or business, do you not pack your own clothes? Or does the teacher/boss need to tell you what to pack? If you are heading to class and the teacher gives a list of items you need for class and it doesnt say paper or pencil, do you not bring paper or pencil anyways?
Anyways, I hope the NASL the best and I hope to see Demuslim, NightEnd, Minigun etc all can make it next time.
I would love to see esports grow elsewhere with SC2 as the flagship game, I just wanted to put in my view point. I dont think the NASL has done everything right either, but I think some blame isnt really justified.
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I think the only real lesson to be learned here is to not let the community know who is invited and under what basis. This new wave of posters seriously need to learn how to be thankful. 200 pages of 'WHY WASN'T PLAYER X INVITED HE'S SO MUCH BETTER THAN PLAYER Y!' Still baffles me that this is a real time STRATEGY game forum and people are still incapable of using their heads regarding the most simple of matters.
I thank the NASL for even attempting to put together a starleague, can't wait.
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2=Reallly beast
3=Very nice
4= Mc is just gonna rape
5= Closest and most entertaining dev.
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All this whining and bitching reminds me of Steve Nash.
Steve Nash was never scouted by any big Division I universities. He was a complete unknown playing basketball on an island in a country where there is no amateur basketball league, let alone a professional one.
Instead of sitting on his ass feeling sorry for himself, he made a highlight reel, wrote letters and sent a tape to thirty Division I schools in the US, and FINALLY, someone from tiny Santa Clara University requested a tape and offered him a scholarship.
If "professionals" are "serious" about wanting to make hundreds of thousands off of Starcraft, maybe they should stop feel sorry for themselves and actually show the kind initiative that EVERYONE needs to get their dream job.
People can complain all they want about Artosis or InControl being in the NASL, but they've obviously contributed more to the SC2 Community and e-sports over the past decade than a lot of these "better" players.
Artosis moved to fucking Korea, and was making original Starcraft content before IdrA's balls had even dropped. InControl legitimized online coaching and relocated to California to stay involved with the NASL.
THAT'S REAL COMMITMENT.
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On March 31 2011 09:07 RotterdaM wrote:
So to sum things up for the final time ;
Demuslim did not get invited because he was wearing a cast in his video. A cast which first of all isnt even a cast, its more of a support/protection "Cast" something he put off whenever we want :D, we decided to make that video in front of the hospital to add some character instead of a dark room..instead of anyone contacting Demuslim about it he just gets declined by drawing conclusions without getting _anything_ confirmed.
Nightend didn't get picked because he didnt include a Paper which they didnt ask for. He should have just magicly smelled it because he's from Romania and apparently there is a chance he wouldn't be able to go to the usa. They tell him afterwards. This is like Declining Ret because he didnt give a doctor's subscription which shows he ain't drug addict since netherlands has a lot of them. And no one told Ret in advance he had too. that seems a little weird. :D
Don't understand how a few people can write they handled it very professional, the post from Xeris was quite reasonable indeed and explained a few things nice, but these are still 2 _MASSIVE_ failures imo, which didn't have to happen at all, a small notice to nightend before the 50 players are actually announced and everything would have been fine., contacting Demuslim if he's actually able to play in 3 weeks and its already a lot more reasonable, then its still up to NASL to pick him or not, but not contacting demuslim at all and then draw conclusions out of a video without knowing the who's or not. I'm a little dissapointed, i can certainly understand nightends sadness since I indeed remember him getting declined by blizzard for season 7 just because he's Romanian, now he gets screwed again because he's Romanian and apparently has to do something that no one else has to or no one knew about, thats just wrong.
While I agree 100% with you regarding Demuslim, it seems weird to me that Nightend would get turned down by Blizzard for Romanian laws, and then he wouldn't go out of his way to ensure that the situation is clear with all leagues in the future. If this isn't the first time this has happened, he should know to make the extra effort so that it doesn't happen again. Maybe next time he'll remember to get a visa or point out to the organizers of the league why he can make events in the US. It sucks it happened again, but I really feel he has no one to blame but himself.
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I really hope that people who feel snubbed play in the open tourney. It really seems like people aren't realizing that there are still chances to be in the NASL.
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Cant believe Dimaga fucked this one up. He JUST FREAKING BEAT JULY AND MVP
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On March 30 2011 12:19 kevinthemighty wrote:
Why did Artosis make it through? While I love him, I thought being on a team was a prerequisite to being considered for the NASL.
So is it that no one wants to address the Artosis not being on a team issue, or that they can't?
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On March 31 2011 10:53 kevinthemighty wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 12:19 kevinthemighty wrote:
Why did Artosis make it through? While I love him, I thought being on a team was a prerequisite to being considered for the NASL. So is it that no one wants to address the Artosis not being on a team issue, or that they can't?
he is on a team. sixjax.
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On March 31 2011 11:00 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 10:53 kevinthemighty wrote:On March 30 2011 12:19 kevinthemighty wrote:
Why did Artosis make it through? While I love him, I thought being on a team was a prerequisite to being considered for the NASL. So is it that no one wants to address the Artosis not being on a team issue, or that they can't? he is on a team. sixjax.
Yeah, my bad. Didn't realize you could apply and be accepted into the NASL as long as you had the "intentions to" or were in the "process of" joining a team.
Didn't hear that mentioned when iNcontroL was explaining why being on a team was a requirement.
User was banned for this post.
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On March 31 2011 06:45 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 06:32 urashimakt wrote:On March 31 2011 06:24 rycho wrote:On March 31 2011 05:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 31 2011 05:24 rycho wrote:
this tournament is an absolute embarrassment. the fact that trickster and supernova did not get in despite applying over some of the players that did get in is honestly just sad and pathetic, enough so to me that i might not even watch it. i can understand why you didn't invite demuslim if you weren't sure about his injury and some of the application problems, but that really begs the bigger question:
why are you even using this stupid fucking invite system? it will never cause anything but annoyance and disagreement. invite some of the players and then run an online qualifier like the tsl did and you ameliorate the possibility of having all these problems. Jesus Christ so much fucking whining. They took the players that they think will make the best league. All choices are gonna be arguable; tester hasnt done anything worth noting since like gsl 1, and supernova hasn't proven anything either. Just having one invitational tournament would be worse, any player can have a good or a bad day; and there's no time to run a whole league to qualify for the league while they set up the actual league. If any players want to get in later they can come to the qualifiers. Until then please stop whining. the reason that they weren't invited clearly has nothing to do with what they've "proven", because both those players in addition to a bunch of other notable koreans have certainly proven more than most of the invited players. supernova just won that fxo thing in addition to crushing everyone in code a, what more do you want from him exactly? if you want to make the argument that tester and supernova and top and inca not receiving invites was correct, please don't bring up what they've "proven", it just makes you look silly - the players you're comparing them to that were invited have significantly less results. i understand that they took the players that they think will make the best league, my fear is that they based that more on the player's personality, nationality, race, and sponsorship more than they based it on how they play the game. Yeah, winning the FXO was really impressive on Supernova's part. It is unfortunate that the scientists at NASL have not perfected a method of time travel though, cause that happened on Saturday, which is way after they finished deciding who to invite. Can't really hold that against them, can you? yes you're right, that individual tournament was too late for them to take into consideration (another flaw with the invite system). however, code a wasn't: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Code_Awe can argue about the results of individual tournaments if you want, but the fact is that if they were really committed to getting the best 50 sc2 players for their tournament they could have done a better job, and i'm really disappointed that they did not. i know it comes off as whiny or whatever but to be honest i'm usually very supportive of any community event and i really enjoy watching starcraft; i'm usually not negative about these types of things. i just really happen to disagree with the way this was all done and i really think it will not go well for this league which i really wanted to see succeed.
My point is that the question "who is best" is totally subjective. I disagree with you. Also, the question of what kind of results matter is subjective. Why should any code a player be considered over any code s player? Should ladder performance count? The point is that there is no perfect system which will agree 100% with your personal favorites list.
Also, you say that you "wanted this to succeed" - I don't believe you. I think you and people like you honestly want the foreign tournament and progaming scene to fail, because then your elitist obscure obsession would become something that people can actually enjoy without putting as much work into it as you have. I think that people who are saying the entire tournament is not worth watching because their favorite Korean was not invited, never wanted this league or foreigner progaming to have a chance.
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I think overall the selection was pretty fair. I don't agree with every choice but if a player is not good enough to compete in the league he will be out fast enough and those complaining they didn't get in will get their chance.
+ Show Spoiler +Seriously though, I'd like to address this point even if it's not entirely on topic: it's NOT good for your image to complain like this... it hurts esports to see top players act like children in public. Send the organizers a PM if you have such comments to make. Let's face it, the reason esports is big in korea is also because of guys like Boxer being a perfect image and an inspiring person, not just because of their play.
People though "I want to be like him" and they started practicing. You will not often hear such a remark made about a foreigner progamers (maybe about Artosis, White-Ra... a few others) because most of them show their immaturity too often. I'm not saying korean progamers are all like Boxer but you rarely see them do something out of line. I really wish people would take it more seriously if they truly want esports to be successful in NA/EU. No one outside of the already existing community will take a t-shirt wearing 19 year old that looks like he doesn't shower seriously when compared to someone wearing a team jersey and looking motivated.
I know I'm being harsh but a good image is necessary for growth, especially with the angle the NASL is taking to support getting to know the players.
Back on topic, I'm a bit worried with the Koreans after TSL3 (the lag complaints, not the results) and hopefully these type of events won't affect the NASL too much.
Honestly I'm not super pumped for the NASL at the moment, but I'm going to be watching and hopefully we will see it do well in the first season : good matches, decent commentary and little to no technical difficulties are a must if they want to be successful. It's online so there's no crowd or light show to pump you up. Completely up to the commentators.
GSL has a lot going for them in that regard; the fact that it's streamed in english and korean just seems to add to the hugeness of the event for me, despite the small or empty crowds they sometimes get. NASL has some tough work ahead of them to compete with it but it's not impossible at all.
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On March 31 2011 06:49 fatalities wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 06:47 ChrysaliS_ wrote:
I bet Xeris kicking himself now for not inviting DIMAGA. Arguably the best foreign Zerg, easily in the top 3. Xeris actually stated that Dimaga would be in, had his application not been late, which it was, as you can see right at the top of the thread.edit: good save =P.
Afaik, his application wasn't late. It just didn't exist in the first place. Dimaga was under the impression he only needed to make a video to apply and then would be contacted later. His video was on time. At least that's the impression i got from a very recent interview.
Seems like another huge communication error (where error = no communication occurred at all. Similar to night end and demuslim)
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On March 31 2011 09:48 Defacer wrote:
All this whining and bitching reminds me of Steve Nash.
Steve Nash was never scouted by any big Division I universities. He was a complete unknown playing basketball on an island in a country where there is no amateur basketball league, let alone a professional one.
Instead of sitting on his ass feeling sorry for himself, he made a highlight reel, wrote letters and sent a tape to thirty Division I schools in the US, and FINALLY, someone from tiny Santa Clara University requested a tape and offered him a scholarship.
If "professionals" are "serious" about wanting to make hundreds of thousands off of Starcraft, maybe they should stop feel sorry for themselves and actually show the kind initiative that EVERYONE needs to get their dream job.
People can complain all they want about Artosis or InControl being in the NASL, but they've obviously contributed more to the SC2 Community and e-sports over the past decade than a lot of these "better" players.
Artosis moved to fucking Korea, and was making original Starcraft content before IdrA's balls had even dropped. InControl legitimized online coaching and relocated to California to stay involved with the NASL.
THAT'S REAL COMMITMENT.
I like you.
Phoenix is playing right now :D
You read the book about Steve Nash? hometown hero
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Why no Mondragon?  Guess they dont count bw achievements sigh
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Fruitdealer! Noooooooooo........
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I can't wait until this tournament actually starts so that everything I read about this awesome tournament isn't someone bitching about something.
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cool stuff.. I dont really subscribe to the gsl hopefully I get to see some koreans play now
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What's with all the complaining? There are great players, a lot of matches to be played and a lot of prize money on the line. I don't see how people can possibly complain about a SC2 tournament.
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Now that Artosis is in sixjax, is there an issue with him being in the same division as Vibe?
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