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On March 20 2011 06:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:55 Native wrote:
Only Sen and Nonys games were entertaining. SC2 late game is so painfull to watch... You're quite crazy. Thorzain vs. FD was the match of the day. People who think that FD played "terrible" either doesn't know what they're talking about or just likes to shit on Thorzain for being an unknown. Thorzain played absolutely brilliantly and if it was any other Terran FD may well have crushed them.
Comparing the way FD played against Virus to the way he played today is night and day. Thorzain played great, but FD was definitely not at his best. FD handled the bunker pressure in G1 very poorly (reminiscent of some of his GSL S3 and S4 games - poor spine crawler placement, making units at the wrong times, and just poor overall timings). G2 was...lol.
Not to take anything away from Thorzain - kid played beautifully.
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First big upset on the first day.
And the profesionalism was really great. Everything was well planed and it ran so smooth. Really looking forward to tomorrow
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On March 20 2011 06:58 TicketoHELL wrote:
i guess earthquake from japan really screwed up the latency
i saw on boxer's girlfriend twitter that emp literally fired 2 sec later which would explain that mediocore micro from boxer from game 2 and FD's performance somewhat
i hope this won't affet MC
romania - NA isnt much better though : /
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Fruitdealer definitely didn't play up to his standards today. Dunno why, be it latency,his own mistakes, etc. Very impressed with Thorzain though. Cool to know there's another skilled unknown foreigner.
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On March 20 2011 07:01 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:55 Native wrote:
Only Sen and Nonys games were entertaining. SC2 late game is so painfull to watch... Fenix/Sen was really boring but mostly because I didn't really have much interest beyond the first 10 minutes or so, it was obvious Fenix wasn't gonna win but the games still took forever. Don't know what happened to him but his play has been getting progressively worse. Boxer/Nightend were the worst games ever, which pains me to say because I am as big a boxer fanboy as can be. Just the most generic, boring blob games of SC2 imaginable. It was just not compelling or interesting in the least. I'm really glad he's through. I blame SC2 for how awful those games were
It's just how tvp is. It's a terrible matchup.
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On March 20 2011 06:57 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:55 Native wrote:
Only Sen and Nonys games were entertaining. SC2 late game is so painfull to watch... You're quite crazy. Thorzain vs. FD was the match of the day. People who think that FD played "terrible" either doesn't know what they're talking about or just likes to shit on Thorzain for being an unknown. Thorzain played absolutely brilliantly and if it was any other Terran FD may well have crushed them.
FD played bad, very bad, particularly on game 1.
He held that marine/bunker pressure, and then proceeded to make hundreds of zlings. He busted the gates once, tipping the scales in his favor by screwing stim timing, but then, AFTER seeing the wall off re made AND hellions, decided to RE BUST. The game was instantly over, thorzain never let go of the edge FD gave him. All the rest was just waiting for the GG, FD made no genius move, he pressured slightly with weak units, wasted mutalisks unnecesarily and never had enough units. He just stalled, and thorzain didn't quite bite.
In game 2, FD scouted a fast double expo and a bad wall off, he made very few roaches and did not push his advantage. Had he made 5 more roaches, he could have busted those bunkers easily and then swarmed.
He basically did let a VERY greedy build go unpunished, and, surprisingly, didn't respond either by attacking, nor by establishing an economic lead into the mid game. He should have allined, or expanded aggresively. He did neither, he just waited for thorzain's eco play to kick in.
I'll agree though, that thorzain played quite well. But saying FD didn't play horribly is just ignoring what happened in the stream. He made horrible decisions at every turn.
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On March 20 2011 06:58 teekesselchen wrote:I am pretty disappointed that it's all replay casts. I do understand the major issue of potential cheating, but think that the top 32 playing in such a tournament should be trusted to a bigger amount, even though I acknowledge that TL has made a bad experience regarding this. I know that there are many people who think otherwise, but also a lot of people sharing my point of view: Replaycasts are plain boring. Seeing something that happened some random time in the past is something totally different than seeing it live and emphazising with the players, which is totally impossible when seeing it in the knowledge of "it's just a replay.". For a good, tense game, I want to feel with my stars and not just think "I wonder how he feels right now about the game he played yesterday", come on... Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:58 TicketoHELL wrote:
i guess earthquake from japan really screwed up the latency
i saw on boxer's girlfriend twitter that emp literally fired 2 sec later which would explain that mediocore micro from boxer from game 2 and FD's performance somewhat
i hope this won't affet MC Wow that would be quite massive, would really explain why Boxer would play in such a way we didn't expect from him.
Did you really feel the replay casting? from my part they were always sync up. If it wasnt my 3rd TSL i would not knew it was from rep
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Lovely games tonight. Very impressed with Tyler, very solid play by him. Big cheer to Thorzain as well, quite the upset. After the FruitDealer's strong showing in the Up&Down matches I did not expect him to take the series, especially not with a clean 2-0. Kind of regretting that last minute bracket change I made now! Shame about the little disconnection roadbump...in the back of my head I already hear Tasteless giving another talk on the vehicle of technology 
Very impressed by the player's portraits, too. Gives a nice personal touch to the tournament. Big thumbs up to the artist!
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Amazing games by Tyler as to be expected.
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oh shit i missed this ;(((( are VODs on their way soon?
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It also takes a very long time to actually get used to the delay on other servers, I'm sure most the EU players have practiced on the US servers to train for the lag, while the Koreans probably get little to none practice on them (Maybe players in oGs do, considering some of the TL guys would have EU accounts). It's always the downfall to having an international tournament like this, I think the FD vs Thorzain match would've gone much differently if their was no latency.
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On March 20 2011 07:01 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:58 TicketoHELL wrote:
i guess earthquake from japan really screwed up the latency
i saw on boxer's girlfriend twitter that emp literally fired 2 sec later which would explain that mediocore micro from boxer from game 2 and FD's performance somewhat
i hope this won't affet MC Can you link to the twitter?
http://twitter.com/GabrielaBoxeR
but its in korean :p
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On March 20 2011 07:00 CampinSam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:58 teekesselchen wrote:
I am pretty disappointed that it's all replay casts. I do understand the major issue of potential cheating, but think that the top 32 playing in such a tournament should be trusted to a bigger amount, even though I acknowledge that TL has made a bad experience regarding this.
I know that there are many people who think otherwise, but also a lot of people sharing my point of view: Replaycasts are plain boring. Seeing something that happened some random time in the past is something totally different than seeing it live and emphazising with the players, which is totally impossible when seeing it in the knowledge of "it's just a replay.". For a good, tense game, I want to feel with my stars and not just think "I wonder how he feels right now about the game he played yesterday", come on...
there was already a case of cheating in the last tsl i believe. so you should not be so worried about it. Also, if BoxeR had disconnected in the live tournament, it would have been hell for everyone to sort out.
I know, that was what I referred to with "that TL has made a bad experience regarding this."...
And still I think that the live experience would be absolutely worth the potential threat of maybe wondering whether someone might have cheated, really.
If this would've been live and Boxer had disced? Wow, that would've caused such an intense moment! That would've been just huge! This way it was kinda like "oh yeah, we already decided on this years ago, and here is what happened...". Pretty boring to be honest.
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On March 20 2011 06:58 teekesselchen wrote:I am pretty disappointed that it's all replay casts. I do understand the major issue of potential cheating, but think that the top 32 playing in such a tournament should be trusted to a bigger amount, even though I acknowledge that TL has made a bad experience regarding this. I know that there are many people who think otherwise, but also a lot of people sharing my point of view: Replaycasts are plain boring. Seeing something that happened some random time in the past is something totally different than seeing it live and emphazising with the players, which is totally impossible when seeing it in the knowledge of "it's just a replay.". For a good, tense game, I want to feel with my stars and not just think "I wonder how he feels right now about the game he played yesterday", come on... Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:58 TicketoHELL wrote:
i guess earthquake from japan really screwed up the latency
i saw on boxer's girlfriend twitter that emp literally fired 2 sec later which would explain that mediocore micro from boxer from game 2 and FD's performance somewhat
i hope this won't affet MC Wow that would be quite massive, would really explain why Boxer would play in such a way we didn't expect from him.
I completely disagree. Replay or not this event was amazingly exiting for me, I cursed out fruitdealer for not punishing that 3 CC play and I was nervous as shit because I did not know if the Emperor would be able to take his game.
I honestly don't see the difference between having the games live and livecasting the replays if the event is played online. You can't see the players anyway because it's not an offline event, so what difference does it make if you watch the games with a few seconds delay when live or with a few days delay when casted from replays?
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On March 20 2011 07:02 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2011 06:57 Azarkon wrote:On March 20 2011 06:55 Native wrote:
Only Sen and Nonys games were entertaining. SC2 late game is so painfull to watch... You're quite crazy. Thorzain vs. FD was the match of the day. People who think that FD played "terrible" either doesn't know what they're talking about or just likes to shit on Thorzain for being an unknown. Thorzain played absolutely brilliantly and if it was any other Terran FD may well have crushed them. Comparing the way FD played against Virus to the way he played today is night and day. Thorzain played great, but FD was definitely not at his best. FD handled the bunker pressure in G1 very poorly (reminiscent of some of his GSL S3 and S4 games - poor spine crawler placement, making units at the wrong times, and just poor overall timings). G2 was...lol. Not to take anything away from Thorzain - kid played beautifully.
He handled the bunker pressure in G1 quite well - this very thread was full of "OMG FD INSANE" right after he stopped any marines from getting into the bunkers and forced Thorzain to cancel his bunker.
He did not handle the 7 marines very well. But part of this might be because he did not expect the 7 marines, which was a risky move right after he made a huge round of drones. He moved his spine crawler to take out the bunker, by the way. Knowing how behind he was at that point he then decided to do a blind baneling bust. Not the best of ideas from FD but there was indeed a weak point in Thorzain's wall and FD did bust through in the first bust. He did not expect the number of hellions Thorzain had behind it, however, and that's why it failed. It was downhill from there.
As for G2, he responded to the fast expands with a roach push and was way behind because he did not do enough damage. This was a decision making error on FD's part but it also bespeaks of how baller that move was from Thorzain. Even so, FD could've made a comeback and almost seemed like he was doing it. Thorzain simply made very few mistakes from that point on however, spreading his tanks to cover the entire distance of the map and scanning all the baneling bombs that could've devastated his marine count and given FD a way to come back. Meanwhile FD played G2 as well as he could've after the initial failure to bust Thorzain. I don't think he played badly at all - he just got out-strategized and then out-played.
While FD did make decision errors through the two games, his sheer resiliency demonstrates that he did not at all play "terribly." Playing terribly would've been rolling over right after failing the bane bust or losing the queen. FD did not do that and was on the verge of starting to come back several times in both games.
Other Zergs would've been demolished by the first push, in all likelihood. I don't think FD played badly. He just wasn't prepared for Thorzain's tactics.
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On March 20 2011 07:05 Shooks wrote:
It also takes a very long time to actually get used to the delay on other servers, I'm sure most the EU players have practiced on the US servers to train for the lag, while the Koreans probably get little to none practice on them (Maybe players in oGs do, considering some of the TL guys would have EU accounts). It's always the downfall to having an international tournament like this, I think the FD vs Thorzain match would've gone much differently if their was no latency.
this isnt the cause of TSL but from Blizz rather for not being able to do theire work correctly. There wasn't that issu during the 2 first TSL because bw is older so he get the lan lat (lol?)
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for FD he posted a post on playxp(but he deleted afterwards) about the game and one of his comments said that "i don't want to make excuses but the lag was bad...the screen froze once for 2 seconds" or something along those lines can't quite remember
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TSL!!!!! GJ Tyler! GL Vs Thorzaine! and great matches BY BOXER!
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Speaking of latency. Aren't the games played on the NA server? So it's a huge advantage for the NA players like Tyler, is it not?
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still seems sureal that Thorzain won, such a great achievemnt. Hope he goes out and celebrates!
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