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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:43 syllogism wrote: Or perhaps it shows the difference between people who are capable of unbiased assessment and those who let other considerations cloud their judgement. It also shows which people are stubborn cynics. | ||
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ChApFoU
France2982 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:43 syllogism wrote: Or perhaps it shows the difference between people who are capable of unbiased assessment and those who let other considerations cloud their judgement. Like thinking "standard" macro-oriented passive play is the only legit way to play Starcraft and that the player with the better mechanics and safest builds is automatically the winner. MC is the favorite, but let's not go overboard and say July has no chance. When you 2-0 MVP in group stage after just being raped by the guy you picked you have a chance against anybody. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:48 DwmC_Foefen wrote: It also shows which people are stubborn cynics. That's definitely me haha. I'd love to be proven wrong and July hone his playstyle and demonstrate it's viable even against opponents who aren't making significant mistakes. | ||
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:53 syllogism wrote: That's definitely me haha. I'd love to be proven wrong and July hone his playstyle and demonstrate it's viable even against opponents who aren't making significant mistakes. You miss the point that it's July's playstyle that is forcing the significant mistakes. The mistakes are not the cause, they are the effect. | ||
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Zea!
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
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earl2002
Russian Federation8 Posts
On the other hand when he wins it makes him look like a god (of war) b/c everyone is really surprised by the things he can pull off. Let alone his SC1 career (insert screenshot of bisu's face in OSL 2008 game 2 here) even in SC2 there are a lot of games which gave me a WTF-moment and nerd chills, like one was when he roflstomped MVP in game 1 after completely denied baneling bust when I thought he'd gg any moment. Like in SC1 when zergs had huge problems in ZvT and July took the series from iloveoov who was on 27-0 zvt win streak July is now reinveting SC2. That's why people will always remember him and cheer for him even when abusive MC/Rain styles are long gone. P.S. wasn't here during BW and wasn't a huge fan of July initially but his latest games convinced me to take a history lesson | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On March 12 2011 16:31 tdt wrote: People are lame. That's the way the swarm is supposed to be played. just wait and watch people copy July from now on. I agree. It's funny to hear IdrA and others say that this style doesn't work, that he only plays bad people, that he got lucky and yadda yadda yadda, yet here July is in the finals. I'm sure IdrA will keep explaining why people who do better than he aren't any good. I mean, playing mechanical macro games the same every time means more than actually winning stuff right?? | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
Anyway I don't see July beating MC, i think it'll be 4-1 or maybe 4-2 if not 4-0. Just watch the match from group stages, MC completely eviscerated him. I do think that July has a better chance than a player like idrA would though as hes going to play more mind games and mix in really different styles. He might be able to catch MC off guard but taking 4 in a b07? I don't see it. | ||
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CursedRich
United Kingdom737 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:31 hugman wrote: I agree. It's funny to hear IdrA and others say that this style doesn't work, that he only plays bad people, that he got lucky and yadda yadda yadda, yet here July is in the finals. I'm sure IdrA will keep explaining why people who do better than he aren't any good. I mean, playing mechanical macro games the same every time means more than actually winning stuff right?? Yeah couldnt agree more, thats the risk that Idra takes every times he whines about the maps, his race,imba etc - its fine saying this if other people arent regularly proving you wrong, same risks Inc is taking with his opinions about casters and other pro's etc, being outspoken in public has the capacity to come back and bite you in the arse, (whether correct at the time or not) | ||
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
I haven't been this hyped for a finals yet in sc2. GSL, raising the bar. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:43 syllogism wrote: Or perhaps it shows the difference between people who are capable of unbiased assessment and those who let other considerations cloud their judgement. And when you say unbiased, you mean... uninformed? The only, ONLY reason why players like MC and especially MVP are "dominating" these early stages of SC2 as an esport is because they were one step ahead of most other SC2 players when it comes to their BW ability. They aren't particularly talented and there's really nothing special about them as RTS players in general - they're only exploiting the fact that there's nobody better playing the game that seriously for the time being and using their skills (that 95% of crossed over from bw) to beat everybody else. Now players like July and Nada (and maybe even Boxer at a stretch) are guys that are genuinely talented and mechanically superb players on global scale. It's only a matter of how much they practice and how much they get into the game before they're better than the people playing sc2 currently. Now Boxer and I think Nada are both married, they both live at their own homes and they don't really get the top level training environment they need and probably don't put in nearly the same hours as they did during their progaming peak. July on the other hand does get that training at ST house, he's taken enough time to figure out how to play the game his own way, plus he has the mindset of a proven, seasoned champion. In fact, I'm pretty sure out of the two of them, MC will be the one who goes into the finals feeling more nervous. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Affluenza
United Kingdom214 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:23 xceleron wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/fwfwd.jpg) me with July OMG his head is massive... :o Wait is this a photoshop? :/ | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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kvn4444
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m3rciless
United States1476 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:47 ondik wrote: so how did July's games go? Solid play or gimmicky play again? 6pool game 1 --> win anypro opens 3 phoenix, and then delays a bit and makes a lot more, goes for a push with blink stalkers, july plays reactively with corruptors and roach ling crushes the push --> win game 3 --> both players play passively at start, july goes up to 4base, anypro on 2 and then 3 pretty fast, relatively standard game --> lose anypro FFE on XNC, july abuses the open nat for 2 ling runbys into anypro has no probes, game was over right then but anypro stays in for a while, july harasses with mutas and roach and then ends it with a bust. overall, not super super solid, but when has july ever been a super super solid player. He lives and dies with ultra-aggressive knifes-edge decision making. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On March 12 2011 19:31 syllogism wrote: It's not the aggression that's the issue; it's that he overdoes the aggression, his builds doesn't seem smooth and his decision making in general isn't good. It also seems to rely rather heavily on your opponent making mistakes. It would be great if such aggression was viable a zerg, but I'm not convinced. Definitely not as a standard playstyle. 6 pools and baneling busts also produce extremely unentertaining games. Of course July's style isn't as refined. He's one of the very few zergs playing this style. It's easier to make the right decisions when you can copy what everyone else is doing. If anything, the fact that July advanced so far in the GSL despite his blunders shows the potential of aggressive zerg playstyles. If July hadn't made any mistakes, he could have made it through the BoX stages undefeated. | ||
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xZiGGY
United Kingdom801 Posts
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