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alan25
Profile Joined September 2010
United States379 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 14:48:26
March 12 2011 14:47 GMT
#1901
any summary of how in the hell july beat a protoss nowadays? like wut unit comp / expos per game
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 14:54:02
March 12 2011 14:53 GMT
#1902
On March 12 2011 23:47 alan25 wrote:
any summary of how in the hell july beat a protoss nowadays? like wut unit comp / expos per game


First game July 7-pooled against a FFE on Scrap Station and won easily, second game Anypro went for some idiotic stalker/phoenix combination that died to mass roach/corrupter, third game July went for some weird muta/corrupter/ling/hydra combination that died to mass stalker/colossus, fourth game Anypro went FFE on XNC and got destroyed by ling/bling into roach.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
March 12 2011 15:02 GMT
#1903
On March 12 2011 23:53 imareaver3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 23:47 alan25 wrote:
any summary of how in the hell july beat a protoss nowadays? like wut unit comp / expos per game


First game July 7-pooled against a FFE on Scrap Station and won easily, second game Anypro went for some idiotic stalker/phoenix combination that died to mass roach/corrupter, third game July went for some weird muta/corrupter/ling/hydra combination that died to mass stalker/colossus, fourth game Anypro went FFE on XNC and got destroyed by ling/bling into roach.

looks easy. all zerg needs to do nowadays seems to be denying the f(f)e
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
March 12 2011 15:03 GMT
#1904
On March 12 2011 23:47 alan25 wrote:
any summary of how in the hell july beat a protoss nowadays? like wut unit comp / expos per game



He does crazy shit. It is reminiscent of how Fruitdealer made it to the finals of GSL1. Fruitdealers quarter and semifinal games he did some retarded shit and it took people off guard. Then in the finals he played godly.
#1 Kwanro Fan
C.W.
Profile Joined August 2010
88 Posts
March 12 2011 15:09 GMT
#1905
On March 12 2011 21:36 Shockk wrote:
San vs. MC made me cringe and once again realize how horrible PvP is for spectators (and probably players as well).


I enjoyed watching those games - especially the cannon rushes; funny stuff.
But then I am a zerg.
t(','t)
Alphasquad
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria505 Posts
March 12 2011 15:57 GMT
#1906
On March 13 2011 00:02 Heimatloser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 23:53 imareaver3 wrote:
On March 12 2011 23:47 alan25 wrote:
any summary of how in the hell july beat a protoss nowadays? like wut unit comp / expos per game


First game July 7-pooled against a FFE on Scrap Station and won easily, second game Anypro went for some idiotic stalker/phoenix combination that died to mass roach/corrupter, third game July went for some weird muta/corrupter/ling/hydra combination that died to mass stalker/colossus, fourth game Anypro went FFE on XNC and got destroyed by ling/bling into roach.

looks easy. all zerg needs to do nowadays seems to be denying the f(f)e


FFE has always been a bad choice not only nowadays
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
March 12 2011 15:58 GMT
#1907
And July played like a boss again, I'm so happy he's doing so well in this tournament :D These finals are gonna be absolutely sick, I can't wait
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
cowboyman
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines2 Posts
March 12 2011 16:12 GMT
#1908
On March 12 2011 19:17 HankScorpio wrote:

If MC wins, it's because he's by far the best protoss, where as July is not the best zerg.


Its unfair to imply that JulyZerg doesn't deserve to be in the finals as much as MC does.

Before NesTea won a GSL, everybody thought Fruitdealar was the best Zerg; before MC won a GSL, everybody thought Genius was the best Protoss; before MVP won a GSL, everybody thought Jinro was the best Terran. Even the "best" have to start somewhere.
Tasteless: "Nada, exercises a ton and in very good health." Artosis: "JulyZerg, not so much exercise."
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
March 12 2011 16:28 GMT
#1909
On March 13 2011 01:12 cowboyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 19:17 HankScorpio wrote:

If MC wins, it's because he's by far the best protoss, where as July is not the best zerg.


Its unfair to imply that JulyZerg doesn't deserve to be in the finals as much as MC does.

Before NesTea won a GSL, everybody thought Fruitdealar was the best Zerg; before MC won a GSL, everybody thought Genius was the best Protoss; before MVP won a GSL, everybody thought Jinro was the best Terran. Even the "best" have to start somewhere.


I'm pretty sure everyone knew that MVP and MC were the best even before they won a GSL.
hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
March 12 2011 16:38 GMT
#1910
On March 13 2011 01:12 cowboyman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 19:17 HankScorpio wrote:

If MC wins, it's because he's by far the best protoss, where as July is not the best zerg.


Its unfair to imply that JulyZerg doesn't deserve to be in the finals as much as MC does.

Before NesTea won a GSL, everybody thought Fruitdealar was the best Zerg; before MC won a GSL, everybody thought Genius was the best Protoss; before MVP won a GSL, everybody thought Jinro was the best Terran. Even the "best" have to start somewhere.


Nobody thought jinro was the best terran ever.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 12 2011 16:40 GMT
#1911
On March 12 2011 13:59 village_idiot wrote:
July , please save us from PVP finals.

Thank you July! Holy shit excited about these upcoming finals!
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
March 12 2011 16:46 GMT
#1912
On March 13 2011 01:38 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:12 cowboyman wrote:
On March 12 2011 19:17 HankScorpio wrote:

If MC wins, it's because he's by far the best protoss, where as July is not the best zerg.


Its unfair to imply that JulyZerg doesn't deserve to be in the finals as much as MC does.

Before NesTea won a GSL, everybody thought Fruitdealar was the best Zerg; before MC won a GSL, everybody thought Genius was the best Protoss; before MVP won a GSL, everybody thought Jinro was the best Terran. Even the "best" have to start somewhere.


Nobody thought jinro was the best terran ever.

Some of us do. He's right up there with MVP.

Just like only Boxer can make a Marine SCV rush look cool, not many people can make a 6pool look cool (though, it wasn't nearly as suspenseful as idra v jinro 6pool.)
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
March 12 2011 16:52 GMT
#1913
To whomever says July's decision making isn't good: You're just not watching the game close enough. If there's one aspect in which July has excelled is in his decision making. He has been able to make the most out of every situation by using non-standard strategies and aggression.

If other zergs aren't as aggressive is because they aren't confident enough in their ability to make it work, while NesTea doesn't do it because he's confident in his ability to hold any early pressure. The truth is July has been playing to his strengths in a beautiful way, outclassing his opponents constantly. Many people here are assuming there is only one "correct" way to play starcraft, which is just not true and has never been. July has shown he can play decently in every possible way, and he's showing early game actually exists for zerg as more than a defensive/powering stage. Players like Idra should take something from these strategies, as getting this early game advantage with aggression allows for insane macro explosions in mid-game (152 vs 42 supply anyone?)
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
March 12 2011 16:56 GMT
#1914
July has really impressed me with the speed of his growth. I remember watching his code A last season and thinking it was no where near Code S level. And now he's here in the finals. Wow.
Liquid FIGHTING!!!
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
March 12 2011 16:58 GMT
#1915
What makes me laugh, is that MC 4 gated his way through the 2 last rounds and people are giving july shit for his play -.-
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
Ryalnos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1946 Posts
March 12 2011 16:58 GMT
#1916
On March 13 2011 01:46 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 01:38 hydraden wrote:
On March 13 2011 01:12 cowboyman wrote:
On March 12 2011 19:17 HankScorpio wrote:

If MC wins, it's because he's by far the best protoss, where as July is not the best zerg.


Its unfair to imply that JulyZerg doesn't deserve to be in the finals as much as MC does.

Before NesTea won a GSL, everybody thought Fruitdealar was the best Zerg; before MC won a GSL, everybody thought Genius was the best Protoss; before MVP won a GSL, everybody thought Jinro was the best Terran. Even the "best" have to start somewhere.


Nobody thought jinro was the best terran ever.

Some of us do. He's right up there with MVP.

Just like only Boxer can make a Marine SCV rush look cool, not many people can make a 6pool look cool (though, it wasn't nearly as suspenseful as idra v jinro 6pool.)


hydraden is not saying that Jinro isn't good. He's saying that no one ever thought he was the best. After all, he didn't go anywhere in the GSL until the 3rd season.
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 17:05:54
March 12 2011 17:05 GMT
#1917
On March 13 2011 01:52 mordk wrote:

If other zergs aren't as aggressive is because they aren't confident enough in their ability to make it work, while NesTea doesn't do it because he's confident in his ability to hold any early pressure. The truth is July has been playing to his strengths in a beautiful way, outclassing his opponents constantly. Many people here are assuming there is only one "correct" way to play starcraft, which is just not true and has never been. July has shown he can play decently in every possible way, and he's showing early game actually exists for zerg as more than a defensive/powering stage. Players like Idra should take something from these strategies, as getting this early game advantage with aggression allows for insane macro explosions in mid-game (152 vs 42 supply anyone?)


I'd go further and say that july is giving all zergs more confidence in being agressive. Man For months we've been brainwashed into playing defensive and passive, constantly having to follow the choices of our opponents in terms of tech etc.
Keeping T and P on the edge constantly seems like a lot of fun, and im sure im not the only zerg to think that.
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
March 12 2011 17:10 GMT
#1918
Zergs can be aggressive but other races are going to learn to be defensive.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
wideye
Profile Joined June 2010
United States209 Posts
March 12 2011 17:15 GMT
#1919
Douillos France. March 13 2011 01:58. Posts 270 PM Profile Quote #
What makes me laugh, is that MC 4 gated his way through the 2 last rounds and people are giving july shit for his play -.-


4gate is pretty standard play for pvp so it's not like MC cheesed his way through.

this finals could be the best to date... i think this is the first time when the two best players both made it to the finals IMO.
slim pickens
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
March 12 2011 17:17 GMT
#1920
I think before MVP won... we considered MarineKing to be the best Terran, but MVP was ranked 1st in Korean Ladder and I think AliveFoU was the 2nd ranked on the ladder (both terrans).

Thus, we were never surprised by MVP winning.
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