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taLbuk
Profile Joined April 2010
Madagascar1879 Posts
March 13 2011 19:55 GMT
#581
Almtom, if you think that was a roflstomp you seriously need to take a step back and watch that game again, Idra was clearly ahead at almost every point, but once that backdoor shakuras push comes it is clearly hard for zerg to engage, and seeing that the fight takes place at his third, unless he trades armys, (which zerg almost never can trade an equal army with a protoss, only can trade for their high tech units) than its almost impossible to hold that third

it was a good game regardless, but we see why shakuras isnt in the ladder anymore
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 13 2011 19:56 GMT
#582
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
March 13 2011 19:56 GMT
#583
The ramp @ his 3rd cost him the game...he was 50-60 food ahead there, but ramp + sentry/stalker/collosi is not attackable like that : /. maybe burrow under or drop, but both very risky and depend on enemys mistake.

Maybe he should have tried to conter...

Oh well, all of those " i kill rock and i am @ your base " maps stress zergs quite a bit...
TheBrofessor
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada429 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#584
That looks exactly like how all my ZvP macro games go . Kill all the collosus in the first push, but he has enough gateways units to kill an expo and decent number of drones before i can reinforce enough to kill it, then everything goes downhill from there.
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#585
On March 14 2011 04:53 Almtom wrote:
Idra is a fucking joke, Zerg isnt imbalanced, Idra is just sucha looser. Other zergs are having success because they are "lucky" or because their opponent "suck" but wait when these "sucky" opponents ROFLstomp Idra they are just imbalanced.... what is wrong with this guy?



Yeah sorry, I'm curious what zergs you are talking about?
Do you mean July? Because July has been all inning in the majority of his GSL games. But if you think zergs should all in to kepe up, ok...
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iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#586
On March 14 2011 04:54 gullberg wrote:
I really feel for Idra. Throughout the game I definitely thought that the protoss had a much easier time and that Idra was outplaying Naniwa. Despite that he still lost, due to the 200/200 death ball. Pretty fucking boring.


How exactly did IdrA outplay naniwa? Can you point that part out to me?
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shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#587
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.


He didnt attack till 200/200 v 200/200 though, he should have just bust the front when he had 65 food ahead while nanis army was all the way at his 3rd
The naniwa - Unit of protoss skill, defined as the number of gates you build off of one base
Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#588
Oh man, if this shit happens versus Cruncher in the tsl3 I will cry.
zasda
Profile Joined March 2011
381 Posts
March 13 2011 19:57 GMT
#589
On March 14 2011 04:55 zyglrox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:52 cyprin wrote:
On March 14 2011 04:51 ftd.rain wrote:
On March 14 2011 04:50 MBH wrote:
Has Idra ever blamed himself for a loss and written "gg" hehe...

He really played much better than Naniwa, maybe he could try a different approach, but playing zerg is really unrewarding in these type of maps, especially against protoss.



60 food ahead at one point, protoss just sits on one base and a-moves.
i don't know why people say hydras are good vs protoss, they lose to stalker balls really bad.



yea, even as a toss player that game was kind of depressing. i could see it coming from a mile away, but i did not want to believe it. wonder what the nani's upgrades were at though, that could be a reason why his stalkers simply wouldn't die.

i dont know how u couldve seen anything coming if u thought he was on one base.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14149 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#590
On March 14 2011 04:51 imareaver3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo


Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow.



and what would go wrong? idra the macro god has enough larva to support a mass ling stream while the broods support and drive naniwa back and back until hes contained.


you could tell that naniwa was scared the whole match to go a macro game against idra thats why he confined himself in that 3 base pocket there. Idra smashed the colli play and then just kept getting played with. I think if idra wasn't such an emo prick he would have won seeing how naniwa was gona be dry in all his bases in a matter of minutes.


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caracarn
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden141 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 19:58:43
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#591
On March 14 2011 04:54 Anomandaris wrote:
On a serious note: Protoss 3 base turtle into colossi stalker is the most common strat on that map. Zerg deals with it by :
a) basetrading (EG. machine vs Nani on SP)
b) researching drop (Moon vs Squirtle on SP).
c) lategame baneling bombs using (showmatch between Morrow and nani)

Idra did none of it and looked 3 months behind on the metagame.



Yes i also felt that Idra haven´t been keeping up with how the zerg players play vs the doomball nowadays. He had the chance for a base trade and still wanted to engage the deathball.

But the Idra rage. "This game is a fucking joke" is already legendary!
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#592
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.


Yeah i forgot; The game is totally about who can macro to 200 quickly.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 19:59:09
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#593
On March 14 2011 04:52 zyglrox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:50 LemOn wrote:
???
I thought the guys in Korea are a class above foreigners, guess thats not true in SC2 at all



yep, one bo3 to end everything.


I mean liquid lost in semifinals too, I am a BW guy, and this doesn't seem as what I am used to at all.
I was always watching GSL as the true global best player's tourney
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MeyerA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Sweden122 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#594
Crap, missed the ace match.. vods anywhere? :D
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
March 13 2011 19:58 GMT
#595
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.


Indeed he had such a big advantage that i think if he had done a doom hydra drop like moon always does when he is ahead in supply or try baneling bombs to exchange armies , the result might be better than allowing protoss to turtle up and pick their fights.

I dunno. Everyone including IdrA already agrees that against the deathball, the normal way of playing doesnt work as we saw happened just now. Why not try some things that have worked in recent weeks.

doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
March 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#596
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.


I don't agree with you.

Idra was ahead in supply yes, but some of it was drones and the other point is that nani was able to keep his army together all the time. Idra had trouble rallying his troops together, often nani was able to kill the units as soon as they spawned. Well played by both players and a very close game.
TheBrofessor
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada429 Posts
March 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#597
On March 14 2011 04:58 sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2011 04:51 imareaver3 wrote:
On March 14 2011 04:50 Killing wrote:
Needed to transition into broods after killing those collo


Broods? Against blink stalkers? What good would they do, besides soaking up gas? Nani would have just outmaneuvered them and sniped bases; BL's are too slow.



and what would go wrong? idra the macro god has enough larva to support a mass ling stream while the broods support and drive naniwa back and back until hes contained.


you could tell that naniwa was scared the whole match to go a macro game against idra thats why he confined himself in that 3 base pocket there. Idra smashed the colli play and then just kept getting played with. I think if idra wasn't such an emo prick he would have won seeing how naniwa was gona be dry in all his bases in a matter of minutes.




Naniwa was working on storm at the end there, i dont really think broods and lings could have done much.
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
March 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#598
Considering nani's unit composition, I think IdrA would be much better of forcing no fights "from below". This would mean taking the 2 o'clock main instead of the natural for his 3rd base. Fighting that colossi/stalker ball would be much easier from above, i would suggest anyway.

my 2 cents.
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snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-13 20:00:56
March 13 2011 19:59 GMT
#599
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.

he played faster and better on the macro base, but he isn't catching up to what we see other Zerg do.
Because as he says, their play is bad and their high named opponents are even worse.
hydra drops? hell, even Mutas instead of corrupters could've done something, nothing protected the mineral lines.

and he should've seen that push coming, it was surrounded by overlords when the rocks were still up. engage at large top main instead of at the bottom of that ramp? No way!


his timing and game sense just wasn't up today, i think he should've been able to take down game one easily, but waited too long for P to make some units.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
March 13 2011 20:00 GMT
#600
On March 14 2011 04:56 ftd.rain wrote:
At one point naniwa had 110 supply and Idra 175, you guys can keep on lying to yourselves, but Idra played much better, period.


A 65 supply difference in useless corrupters isn't any kind of advantage.

Nani played it correctly, keep one robo collosus production up until it was apparent that Idra wouldn't stop making corrupters, and then transition into immo + storm.
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