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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 07 2011 10:51 GMT
#1781
Killer pushes to Nova's front, and kills many SCVs and Marines with a Stalker, a Zealot, and a Probe. Nova's expo is delayed for a bit as he frantically tries to get the bunker down.

Killer pulls back after Supernova gets the bunker finished.
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DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
March 07 2011 10:51 GMT
#1782
Didn't realize Sangho+killer were the same person until now, lol. Now I feel sad I picked Supernova for Liquibet.
bennyaus
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia1833 Posts
March 07 2011 10:51 GMT
#1783
On March 07 2011 19:49 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:47 bennyaus wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 Azarkon wrote:
DTs come too late to fast expand behind. If they don't do damage against a fast expanding Terran you're significantly behind.


Unless the T scouts your Dark Shrine, it will always do damage vs an FE Terran that will not have a Raven out. In fact, it is a build order victory if he doesn't have turrets up in time, against an FE terran...


A FE Terran can easily get a missile turret if he suspects DTs, which he will if he doesn't see an expo from you in response to his expo. Missile turrets also hold one-base void ray all-in so it's a natural BO transition.


This is exactly what we saw in MC vs mvp last season (was it last season?), but apparently most other professional Terrans are not quite on-to it yet, so it is for now a build order victory?
I play Random - HuK, DRG + Liquid fan
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
March 07 2011 10:52 GMT
#1784
On March 07 2011 19:50 Vorenius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:47 Encrypto wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:46 Vorenius wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:42 Encrypto wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:41 zivac wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:40 Ribbon wrote:
The loss of the Stim upgrade was critical. Rain is miles behind.


it was shield upgrade


Nope, it was stim. You could see it on the production tab.

I bet you got that from Kelly?

It really was combat shields. And Conc was queued up behind it and neither was cancelled before the tech lab died.


For what reason would a terran get shields before stim? As soon as he got the tech lab back, he got stim. So he changed his mind?

How would I know his reasoning behind doing anything? :s

That doesn't change the fact that he was getting combat shields and had conc shells queued though. And I don't know if he changed his mind, if it was a missclick inthe first place since I'm not that good at mind reading. But non of that changes the fact that he was getting Combat Shields when the tech lab died.


This is just my guess, but he got shields initially to get the extra HP for marines so it takes 2 DT swipes instead of 1 to kill them. Later though, he has his scans saved up so the stim dps would be more beneficial in his "all in" attempt than extra hp at the end.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
March 07 2011 10:53 GMT
#1785
On March 07 2011 19:51 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:49 Azarkon wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 bennyaus wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 Azarkon wrote:
DTs come too late to fast expand behind. If they don't do damage against a fast expanding Terran you're significantly behind.


Unless the T scouts your Dark Shrine, it will always do damage vs an FE Terran that will not have a Raven out. In fact, it is a build order victory if he doesn't have turrets up in time, against an FE terran...


A FE Terran can easily get a missile turret if he suspects DTs, which he will if he doesn't see an expo from you in response to his expo. Missile turrets also hold one-base void ray all-in so it's a natural BO transition.


This is exactly what we saw in MC vs mvp last season (was it last season?), but apparently most other professional Terrans are not quite on-to it yet, so it is for now a build order victory?


It was more successful than that scv bunker push that failed twice Rain attempted.
There's no S in KT. :P
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
March 07 2011 10:53 GMT
#1786
call me noob if you want, but missile turret is so useful at all stages in the game that I wonder why all Terran don't just build one early every game.
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DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 07 2011 10:53 GMT
#1787
On March 07 2011 19:46 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:45 Kyhol wrote:
Where can I see the stats TvP in GSL this season?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/1048_2011_Intel_GSL_Sponsorship_League_Season_2:_Code_S


suddenly I don't feel so bad about my recent TvP slump!
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
March 07 2011 10:53 GMT
#1788
On March 07 2011 19:50 bennyaus wrote:
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On March 07 2011 19:47 ftd.rain wrote:
fast DT into expand is cheese, period.


It is no more cheese than a Banshee opening in TvT, imo. Just like most openings it has hard counters, and it hard counters other openings. You can usually get the expansion Nexus about the same time that you would in a 3gate expand, the only real issue is dealing with an early 2-3rax bio push in TvP, or a PDD 1 base push.

lol, no
sorry to say it but get a clue
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
March 07 2011 10:53 GMT
#1789
never realized how hard banshees own stalkers 1v1..
Yokoblue
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada594 Posts
March 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#1790
On March 07 2011 19:52 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:50 Vorenius wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 Encrypto wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:46 Vorenius wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:42 Encrypto wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:41 zivac wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:40 Ribbon wrote:
The loss of the Stim upgrade was critical. Rain is miles behind.


it was shield upgrade


Nope, it was stim. You could see it on the production tab.

I bet you got that from Kelly?

It really was combat shields. And Conc was queued up behind it and neither was cancelled before the tech lab died.


For what reason would a terran get shields before stim? As soon as he got the tech lab back, he got stim. So he changed his mind?

How would I know his reasoning behind doing anything? :s

That doesn't change the fact that he was getting combat shields and had conc shells queued though. And I don't know if he changed his mind, if it was a missclick inthe first place since I'm not that good at mind reading. But non of that changes the fact that he was getting Combat Shields when the tech lab died.


This is just my guess, but he got shields initially to get the extra HP for marines so it takes 2 DT swipes instead of 1 to kill them. Later though, he has his scans saved up so the stim dps would be more beneficial in his "all in" attempt than extra hp at the end.



If he was getting shield to defend against DT, he would have kept scan or make turret. Your argument got a big flaw in it. + Combat shield was started ages ago... Dt shrine was started almost at the same time...
Master League playing Protoss and Zerg
kirbynator
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada503 Posts
March 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#1791
On March 07 2011 19:53 deathly rat wrote:
call me noob if you want, but missile turret is so useful at all stages in the game that I wonder why all Terran don't just build one early every game.


most good terran builds dont include an early ebay
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
March 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#1792
2 base blink and a warp prism from Sangho, rather interested to see what he plans on doing with that.

Supernova going Marine tank which I hate...does have a Raven though
Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
March 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#1793
On March 07 2011 19:53 AimForTheBushes wrote:
never realized how hard banshees own stalkers 1v1..
It was half-dead to begin with.
I <3 Plexa.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 07 2011 10:54 GMT
#1794
SuperNova goes for Banshees, but the Starport gets scouted by an obs.

Killer moves his Stalkers into position, and adds a Twilight Council in addition to the Robo support bay.

The banshee backs out, and Killer researches Blink and builds a Warp Prism.

Killer pushes. Supernova kills a probe before it can put down a 3rd.

Killer applies pressure to Nova's nat, but backs out after the tanks fire.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
March 07 2011 10:55 GMT
#1795
On March 07 2011 19:51 bennyaus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 19:49 Azarkon wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 bennyaus wrote:
On March 07 2011 19:47 Azarkon wrote:
DTs come too late to fast expand behind. If they don't do damage against a fast expanding Terran you're significantly behind.


Unless the T scouts your Dark Shrine, it will always do damage vs an FE Terran that will not have a Raven out. In fact, it is a build order victory if he doesn't have turrets up in time, against an FE terran...


A FE Terran can easily get a missile turret if he suspects DTs, which he will if he doesn't see an expo from you in response to his expo. Missile turrets also hold one-base void ray all-in so it's a natural BO transition.


This is exactly what we saw in MC vs mvp last season (was it last season?), but apparently most other professional Terrans are not quite on-to it yet, so it is for now a build order victory?


Sure, but thing is, TSL_Rain really should've expected some kind of cheese in Game 2. That's like standard Korean meta-game in tournaments.
AimForTheBushes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1760 Posts
March 07 2011 10:55 GMT
#1796
pretty scary push right here..
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
March 07 2011 10:55 GMT
#1797
Yay for back door sieges -.-
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
March 07 2011 10:56 GMT
#1798
Supernova pushes along the 6 o clock corridor, sieges below the cliff and starts shelling the mineral line.

Thermal lance finishes for Killer. The rocks fall, and SuperNova puts up a missile turret as he pushes up the ramp.
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Caelixx
Profile Joined September 2010
United States283 Posts
March 07 2011 10:56 GMT
#1799
Oh my god, so many tanks. Epic.
Fruitdealer proved that balance didn't stop good players from making good decisions. Balance whining only makes it acceptable to your mind for you to lose, which is ultimately unacceptable.
DusTerr
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
2520 Posts
March 07 2011 10:56 GMT
#1800
On March 07 2011 19:49 dartoo wrote:
Since when did DT contain into expo become cheese?

some people think that any non standard, heads up army vs army build is cheese.
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