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On February 28 2011 20:10 Omnipresent wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:08 Dalavita wrote:On February 28 2011 20:05 labbe wrote:
Ret totally outclassing MMA, loses anyway... How did he outclass him in any way you simpleton. He got flattened... Ret got totally outclassed the first game, but competed very well in the second one. He lost it in the last 3 min or so with poor battle control.
Exactly. I don't know what you all guys are talking about.. "Ret played perfectly bla bla"
Really disappointing by Ret all in all.. if the winner of a major foreign tournament (assembly) loses 2 times in a row in round 1 of code a, well, that really doesn't speak very well for foreigners compared to koreans. :s
Jinro is my last hope ;]
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On February 28 2011 20:18 bwally wrote:
Zerg just needs to outclass their opponent heavily or get lucky in order to beat a terran but that doesn't apply the other way around. Also 1 micro mistake and you lose.
Seriously stop your bullshit whining .. this is not the thread for it!!
This thread is for discussing the games, not crying about balance. Thanks.
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I smell baneling bombs on fungaled toss ball.
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Hmm, in a way Ret is somewhat similar to TesteR. Excellent mechanics, but questionable decision makings at times. Or perhaps just flat out of lucks, lol. 
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Really hard games to watch... It's funny how the "Zerg OP" cries from earlier GSLs have been totally silenced and now Terrans are claiming that zerg players are whiny? Im sorry but its really hard not to discuss balance when all the talented zerg players are fading out of the GSL.
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On February 28 2011 20:15 Essentia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:14 Ribbon wrote:
Ret suicided all his Mutas to kill one tank, wasn't watching his infestors, and had to fight that army with a million billion speedlings, which is atrocious composition. Half his speedlings were completely across the map, too.
It sucked that the game turned around so fast, but Ret just didn't handle the push at all. Do you understand that Ret was freeing up supply for broods?
Do you understand how stupid that sounds?
If you want to "free up supply for broods" don't suicide your most versatile and useful unit. Instead, send about 20 of the 100+ speedlings you have lying around.
lmfao.
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Ret's biggest mistake in the 2nd game was not scrambling to defend after doing so much damage to the SCV line with his mutas. He had such a large economic advantage that all he needed to do was to hold off the timing attack.
Remember the game in GSL 3 where July built a wall of spine crawlers to defend while his brood lords were morphing? That's exactly what Ret should have done.
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On February 28 2011 20:18 KuroN3ko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:15 LegendaryZ wrote:On February 28 2011 20:13 KuroN3ko wrote: that way we can once again be a happy and harmonious community. Without all the whining. When was this ever a happy and harmonious community without whining? -_- True point, even in BW it was terran imba, but nowhere on the level that we get today. So removing zerg will get rid of those people that whine anyways (sweeping generalization, but honestly, the only whiners I've seen in both BW and SC2 play zerg...)
wtf are you talking about. artosis and idra played terran
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On February 28 2011 20:18 KuroN3ko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:15 LegendaryZ wrote:On February 28 2011 20:13 KuroN3ko wrote: that way we can once again be a happy and harmonious community. Without all the whining. When was this ever a happy and harmonious community without whining? -_- True point, even in BW it was terran imba, but nowhere on the level that we get today. So removing zerg will get rid of those people that whine anyways (sweeping generalization, but honestly, the only whiners I've seen in both BW and SC2 play zerg...)
I seem to recall Terran players whining not too long ago that long games were auto-win for the Zerg... Ironic. LOL
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On February 28 2011 20:19 RoseTempest wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:15 Essentia wrote:On February 28 2011 20:14 Ribbon wrote:
Ret suicided all his Mutas to kill one tank, wasn't watching his infestors, and had to fight that army with a million billion speedlings, which is atrocious composition. Half his speedlings were completely across the map, too.
It sucked that the game turned around so fast, but Ret just didn't handle the push at all. Do you understand that Ret was freeing up supply for broods? Do you understand how stupid that sounds? If you want to "free up supply for broods" don't suicide your most versatile and useful unit. Instead, send about 20 of the 100+ speedlings you have lying around. lmfao.
He was doing that too did you not see?
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See double robo?
Build banelings.
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jookto is playing really weird/bad, scouted 2 robo so long ago and never made a spire, gets rolled by colossi
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On February 28 2011 20:18 KuroN3ko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:15 LegendaryZ wrote:On February 28 2011 20:13 KuroN3ko wrote: that way we can once again be a happy and harmonious community. Without all the whining. When was this ever a happy and harmonious community without whining? -_- True point, even in BW it was terran imba, but nowhere on the level that we get today. So removing zerg will get rid of those people that whine anyways (sweeping generalization, but honestly, the only whiners I've seen in both BW and SC2 play zerg...)
uh T is the weakest race in BW
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ouch. yea roaches would have def. would have helped in that engagement.
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On February 28 2011 20:18 bkrow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 20:18 bwally wrote:
Zerg just needs to outclass their opponent heavily or get lucky in order to beat a terran but that doesn't apply the other way around. Also 1 micro mistake and you lose. Seriously stop your bullshit whining .. this is not the thread for it!! This thread is for discussing the games, not crying about balance. Thanks. Please
please don't reply to them, it makes finding and reporting bad posts more difficult.
Instead you can report them too if you have the button, ty !
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*Jookto playing ladder, sees 2 robos*
*throws down baneling nest*
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Zerg players always whine because its hard to use, and it can be map dependant. but on decent maps its perfectly balanced imo.
just cry babies who want to get into masters, but really just arent good enough to control a hard race
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I don't know if I heard right, but I think Artosis said Ret was feeling a little under the weather, if so that might have had a little bit to do with it.
Game 1 I agree with what people have been saying, especially after watching Ganzi VS Haypro. Where Ganzi simply denied expansions, Job(MMA) just did multiple drops and pressure but still was incredibly strong in close postions. To be fair though, July took out MVP 2-0 playing more aggressively.... I think zergs need to play a bit like this and feign more economic builds -- if the terran looses a large amount of his army, *especially tanks*, you buy time to finish the T or macro harder.
In game 2 Ret played quite a bit more safe which i liked, not getting his 3rd so fast, got an advantage, and THEN expo'd... and he actually did very well vs harassment attempt from the T. The only reasons he lost that game were a few poor micro and army composition decisions, He had all the money in the world but that does nothing unless you can re-max with it. Ret could have easily taken game 2, just needed to not loose his muta ball and maybe have a less ling heavy army.
All in all not unlike Haypros games, I think Ret showed great zerg gameplay, and some of the T strats seen do seem little overpowered, be it the map or the race, but both zergs did not loose their series directly because of these reasons. (in my opinion )
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