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This thread is for discussing the games, not crying about balance. Thanks.
Annq
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany104 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1341
You can blame us for q.qing but it is definitely justified
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1342
On February 28 2011 20:09 spidii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 20:08 Dalavita wrote:
On February 28 2011 20:05 labbe wrote:
Ret totally outclassing MMA, loses anyway...


How did he outclass him in any way you simpleton. He got flattened...



In the battle yes, completely mishandled, very bad control, terrible engagement, but he did out macro him, there's no doubt about that.


you can macro all you want but when you dont set up any flanks and let the terran walk up and siege half your units and THEN attack him with mass ling muta while hes already stimmed in your choke, then yea your macro doesn't matter
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1343
Btw, not sure why people are saying this is an upset, it's considered the opposite on korean websites. Jjob is actually a pretty decently known terran in Korea. (Ret's infamous for his creep tumor spreading though lol)
Essentia
Profile Joined July 2010
1150 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1344
On February 28 2011 20:10 .Theory wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2011 20:09 Arceus wrote:
funny how Artosis said that Ret outclasses jjob after a random mutas harrassment and seconds later he lost so badly


Well, Ret was outclassing him in macro. I think he had like 60 food on him or something ridiculous.


I think that we can conclude that macro doesnt win you games in SC2. We need to get over it.
flexy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States182 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1345
with that said I think he played awesome. It couldve went either way.. but you cant just say terran imba!!!@!!!
o_o
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9015 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1346
Zenio top of code S :D
xmichaels
Profile Joined February 2011
84 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1347
rets army was all banelings/speedlings, do you really think he had any chance against 15 siege tanks? terrible unit composition
hiyo_bye
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States737 Posts
February 28 2011 11:11 GMT
#1348
Did Kelly just say Zenio, Fruitdealer, and MVP are at the top of Code S right now? :X
Random
cerebralz
Profile Joined August 2009
United States443 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1349
Ya i don't see why some of the pros stick religiously to the muta/ling/bling composition. There's a time in every ZvT where i have to throw some roaches in there if nothing else, but to absorb tank hits and bridge the gap to hive.

I feel terrible for ret, he's one of the best players we have.

Hopefully the infestor change in the next patch will make this matchup a little easier for Z. Other than that, the multi marine drops are way to hard for the zerg to deal with even if you have a huge army and econ.
BluePabs
Profile Joined November 2010
United States317 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1350
On February 28 2011 20:10 Zerokaiser wrote:
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On February 28 2011 20:07 TUski wrote:
Story of all the zergs around the world.. Completely outclass your opponent, then lose to 1+a.

Ret played FLAWLESSLY that game without even losing an expansion. His upgrades were 2-1 at the final push. Yet he loses.

Objective analysis of that game much welcomed.


It's posts like this that stop others from taking our Zerg complaints seriously. Ret obviously didn't play flawlessly or he would have won. Were his flaws less obvious and more subtle than losing a hatchery or 30 mutas? Yes, but that doesn't mean they weren't there. Is Zerg playing uphill nowadays? Probably, but that doesn't mean that Zerg players like Ret can't win.


Thank you, that was a great response.
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1351
On February 28 2011 20:06 KMARTRULES wrote:
The most disappointing Foreigner in Code A is the only one left. awesome.

kill this guy
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
palookieblue
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia326 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1352
On February 28 2011 20:07 TUski wrote:
Story of all the zergs around the world.. Completely outclass your opponent, then lose to 1+a.

Ret played FLAWLESSLY that game without even losing an expansion. His upgrades were 2-1 at the final push. Yet he loses.

Objective analysis of that game much welcomed.
Here we go again. They both played pretty well that game with a few mistakes from both players.
To say that Ret played quote 'FLAWLESSLY' is pushing it. His macro was beastly but his unit control in the engagements left much to be desired. Mutas were lost engaging stimmed marines and for the second game in a row his broods were sniped due to poor placement. Banelings were wasted and the infestors died pretty quickly as well.

Terran didn't play perfectly either imo. Thors would have been a nice addition in the main and if Ret stayed a little bit longer he could have taken out that chunk of supply depots. The drop play wasn't as awesome as game 1 but it made Ret split up his army.

1+a doesn't describe what Terran did in this game. You have to press a different button to siege, and another one to stim. Unless of course you think running banelings straight into an army is more difficult than kiting said banelings.

I wish we could just watch the games.
Also I'm pretty sure you've done this silly whining before and it's not really helpful in a LR thread.
<3
oyoyo
Twitches
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada365 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1353
On February 28 2011 20:10 GP wrote:
Ret's play and unit control was pretty disappointing suiciding broods against marines, not building spine crawlers at his expansions bases, sitting on his hands with a max army. if Ret was more aggressive he would have won that game.


Pretty much were my thoughts the whole game.. Obviously it's easy to see when you're the observer but I think Ret needs a little more experience. If a guy as talented as him practiced more he'd be scary as hell.
Gravity is just a feeble plot.
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1354
On February 28 2011 20:09 Bommes wrote:
Oh come on, don't blame that loss on imbalance, Ret had every tool possible available to beat MMA in that game, he killed all the drops, he lost no drones, he had a maxed army, just DON'T FUCKING LET HIM SIEGE UP RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

Seriously, that map is so big, Ret was so far ahead, just spend all your time on delaying that push until the broodlords are out and you will crush him easily. I'm 100% sure Ret knows why he lost that.


He spent heaps of time delaying the push...

He lost his infestors delaying the push, he counterattacked delaying the push, he harasses with mutas delaying the push. Jjob pretty much siege pushed all the way, the distance between close positions isnt that large.
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1355
--- Nuked ---
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1356
SangHo forge expanding
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Candide
Profile Joined November 2010
456 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1357
On February 28 2011 20:10 terransarelame wrote:
Surprise surprise, better zerg plays a lesser terran with decent skill and guess what? You need to be so much better than the terran in order to win. Sc2 is so awesome.



Im diggin the "1 post" person here

Idk if you noticed but if you understand the game this terran macroed pretty well, it wasn't anything "he lucked out" moment he stayed on par for a tvz macro.
Kyhol
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2574 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1358
To all you people saying that that Terran 1a'd Ret, you're fucking morons. Did you even watch the games? The Terran did a great job microing.

How about Ret losing the first game because he suicided like 15 baneings into the planetary fortress instead of chasing the marines.

You guys piss me off.
Wishing you well.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1359
So, who won? I couldn't watch the stream and cba reading so many pages.

I'm gonna be sad if Ret lost.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Buff345
Profile Joined October 2010
United States323 Posts
February 28 2011 11:12 GMT
#1360
On February 28 2011 20:10 terransarelame wrote:
Surprise surprise, better zerg plays a lesser terran with decent skill and guess what? You need to be so much better than the terran in order to win. Sc2 is so awesome.


Did you even watch that game? How can you say the terran was just decent? Or even lesser!? His multi tasking was amazing. He literally made zero micro mistakes and his macro was superb as well.
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