EPT[GSL March] Code S Ro32 Day 3 - Page 111
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Clare
United States372 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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PhantomHybrid
United Kingdom47 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:14 Senx wrote: If players are quickly being recycled through every single season we'll never favorites, we'll never have upsets, we'll never have rivalry, we'll never have a rich SC2 history.. because guess what: Nothing will stand out in the blur of random players and everybody will expect upsets so the meaning of that word has no value anyway. How can that be more entertaining? Who can forget bisu vs savior finals which stopping savior dominance, or oov's dominant era, or julyzergs comeback to win the golden mouse? Effort defeating Flash? Stork finally winning his first gold as the constant silver medalist? I just want some godamn consistency. Why? I think its a more fun scene when everybody has a shot. The upset San did today gave me chills it was so awsome. Nestea has been one of the best players but was bested by the other two players, according to your philosphy Nestea should have made it through for the good of Starcraft. The game is so so new you really can't ask for consistensy yet. Upsets are happening look at Group E, good players have already been established, after they play tonnes more seasons you will see the consistensy you crave emerge. | ||
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Logo2010
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On that note, I remember a certain bet Artosis made... | ||
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Clare
United States372 Posts
On February 27 2011 12:12 CosmicSpiral wrote: Did anyone expect SanZenith to be this good? I thought he played for fun; imagine if he got serious. On that note, I remember a certain bet Artosis made... It surprised us all lol. Everyone expected him to be a walkover. | ||
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Jieun
United States247 Posts
he doesn't care about the result and is doing whatever he wants, and it's working damn well for him | ||
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Deleted User 124618
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On February 27 2011 11:14 Senx wrote: If players are quickly being recycled through every single season we'll never favorites, we'll never have upsets, we'll never have rivalry, we'll never have a rich SC2 history.. because guess what: Nothing will stand out in the blur of random players and everybody will expect upsets so the meaning of that word has no value anyway. How can that be more entertaining? Who can forget bisu vs savior finals which stopping savior dominance, or oov's dominant era, or julyzergs comeback to win the golden mouse? Effort defeating Flash? Stork finally winning his first gold as the constant silver medalist? I just want some godamn consistency. MVP and Nestea were simply outplayed. There were no gimmicks (by sanZenith at least), only stable solid macro play. Yes, sanZenith outplayed Nestea and SlayerSBoxeR. The consistency is that the worse player lost in both cases. You may whine about how volatile the SC2 is, but you have to lose a lot to drop out of Code S into code A. 2 losses to drop out of Ro32 code s 2 losses to lose in up and down matches 2 losses at Ro32 to drop out of code a A win (of 2 matches) at any stage will secure your future place. You may whine about how volatile SC2 is, but there is very little chance left when this many matches are played. I read somewhere that a good player needs a Bo7 win series to win regardless of what dice does. That chance is provided. Ensnare, July, sanZenith and MC all played very well and deserved to advance over MVP and Nestea. While MVP and Nestea aren't bad players, a win is a win like in any sport. | ||
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kirbynator
Canada503 Posts
Such sick surprises this GSL. | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On February 27 2011 14:55 Greentellon wrote: The consistency is that the worse player lost in both cases. lol don't get ahead of yourself there big guy. If they played again NesTea would still have a much higher chance of winning. San did a good job beating him here. There's no reason to take away from San, but you calling NesTea a worse player than San, just because he lost a bo1 vs him is hilariously both ignorant and arrogant. | ||
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong748 Posts
On February 27 2011 10:54 Senx wrote: First MVP and now nestea? I'm quickly losing faith in SC2 as a viable esport when top players are losing first round. Games are simply too random and fragile in my eyes. Where is the consistancy? The word "favorite" will soon be banned on the forums because it doesn't actually hold any value. Its really to get attached and idolize the SC2 players knowing that one day he'll be dominating tournaments to next day get knocked out first round. The game isn't out long enough for there to be such dominant players yet imo - I mean, sure there's a chance guys like IMMVP could be a top dog for years to come, but there's also just as much of a possibility that the tops players now won't even be considered special at all few years down the road when the game gets 'mastered.' When upsets happen because certain cheeses are too strong, then yea, its obviously not good for esports, but watching sanzenith V nestea yesterday, as crazy as it sounds, sanzenith just did pretty much everything right from start to end. There was absolutely nothing gimmicky about his play yesterday, it was pure fundamental skills. If upsets occur because the less favored player played perfectly (and properly), whats there to not like about? | ||
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rysecake
United States2632 Posts
On February 27 2011 14:55 Greentellon wrote: MVP and Nestea were simply outplayed. There were no gimmicks (by sanZenith at least), only stable solid macro play. Yes, sanZenith outplayed Nestea and SlayerSBoxeR. The consistency is that the worse player lost in both cases. You may whine about how volatile the SC2 is, but you have to lose a lot to drop out of Code S into code A. 2 losses to drop out of Ro32 code s 2 losses to lose in up and down matches 2 losses at Ro32 to drop out of code a A win (of 2 matches) at any stage will secure your future place. You may whine about how volatile SC2 is, but there is very little chance left when this many matches are played. I read somewhere that a good player needs a Bo7 win series to win regardless of what dice does. That chance is provided. Ensnare, July, sanZenith and MC all played very well and deserved to advance over MVP and Nestea. While MVP and Nestea aren't bad players, a win is a win like in any sport. Yes...mvp was totally outplayed... | ||
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Deleted User 124618
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On February 27 2011 15:06 Shinta) wrote: lol don't get ahead of yourself there big guy. If they played again NesTea would still have a much higher chance of winning. San did a good job beating him here. There's no reason to take away from San, but you calling NesTea a worse player than San, just because he lost a bo1 vs him is hilariously both ignorant and arrogant. Worse player at the time. Yeah, if you look at long term Neastea/MVP is probably more accomplished and skilled (as of right now this moment) but some people seem to think that if Neastea or MVP loses, it's games fault. I see quite a lot of people who think MVP and Nestea losing is a sign that SC2 is a bad game. I am against that. Maybe they just had a bad day or something, but the match results were fair and better player at the time won. On February 27 2011 15:10 rysecake wrote: Yes...mvp was totally outplayed... Yes. His 1st match vs July lasted over 15 minutes. There were no all-ins or cheese from July and thus there weren't really "unfair losses", thus MVP was outplayed. Well the metalopolis thing may be cheesy, but still it was bad wall managment from MVP. | ||
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var username
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On February 27 2011 15:12 Greentellon wrote: Worse player at the time. Yeah, if you look at long term Neastea/MVP is probably more accomplished and skilled (as of right now this moment) but some people seem to think that if Neastea or MVP loses, it's games fault. I see quite a lot of people who think MVP and Nestea losing is a sign that SC2 is a bad game. I am against that. Maybe they just had a bad day or something, but the match results were fair and better player at the time won. Yes. His 1st match vs July lasted over 15 minutes. There were no all-ins or cheese from July and thus there weren't really "unfair losses", thus MVP was outplayed. Well the metalopolis thing may be cheesy, but still it was bad wall managment from MVP. I wonder if you have studied any Sciences back in your school days, because only ignorant researchers and scientists will take one single reading and draw a conclusion from that. There are so many factors that can change, so many possible errors that can occur from taking a reading so you need more to balance all that out. | ||
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MrSexington
United States1768 Posts
On February 27 2011 16:16 var username wrote: I wonder if you have studied any Sciences back in your school days, because only ignorant researchers and scientists will take one single reading and draw a conclusion from that. There are so many factors that can change, so many possible errors that can occur from taking a reading so you need more to balance all that out. Oh, boy. He was talking about a specific match. That's the same thing as analyzing a single event where one can be worse than another. There's nothing wrong with that. You're both talking about the same thing. He's not disagreeing with what you're saying, he's just clarifying. The original quote should have been more clear, but then it was made more clear in the replies. I have a headache. edit: Eh, you aren't even the one who originally replied. Just some person referencing science... for some reason. Disregard this post. | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On February 27 2011 15:03 kirbynator wrote: seriously san played better than any protoss we've seen so far including MC. Such sick surprises this GSL. Completely, he was literally everywhere thwarthing every move Nestea tried to make. Such a waste that he will be going into the army, I hope he can play through the entire GSL. I am definitely a sanZenith supporter after that game. If players are quickly being recycled through every single season we'll never favorites, we'll never have upsets, we'll never have rivalry, we'll never have a rich SC2 history.. because guess what: Nothing will stand out in the blur of random players and everybody will expect upsets so the meaning of that word has no value anyway. I just want some godamn consistency. It's too early in the games history to be demanding that, have patience. We have a total new slate to find our own favourites and cheer them on for total dominance, but we don't need to rush it. There will be people who are going to pull off consecutive wins in the future. | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On February 27 2011 11:14 Senx wrote: If players are quickly being recycled through every single season we'll never favorites, we'll never have upsets, we'll never have rivalry, we'll never have a rich SC2 history.. because guess what: Nothing will stand out in the blur of random players and everybody will expect upsets so the meaning of that word has no value anyway. How can that be more entertaining? Who can forget bisu vs savior finals which stopping savior dominance, or oov's dominant era, or julyzergs comeback to win the golden mouse? Effort defeating Flash? Stork finally winning his first gold as the constant silver medalist? I just want some godamn consistency. Eventually, things will balance out. The game is relatively new so the metagame evolves quickly. | ||
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seffer
United States143 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10383 Posts
lol don't get ahead of yourself there big guy. If they played again NesTea would still have a much higher chance of winning. San did a good job beating him here. There's no reason to take away from San, but you calling NesTea a worse player than San, just because he lost a bo1 vs him is hilariously both ignorant and arrogant. You're putting words into his mouth. | ||
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