EPTAssembly Winter 2011 - Day 2 - Page 310
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Liquid`Nazgul
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Astromonkey
United States111 Posts
On February 14 2011 12:10 dizzy101 wrote: I hope the mods will crack down on caster bashing more in the future. It's really affecting the quality of the TL forums. Imba whining can get you banned, but caster bashing, IMO, is worse. You have anonymous posters spewing their bile, you can almost sense the visceral hate they have for this caster or that caster. The other day some team manager said that casters are almost bigger stars at tournaments than players (not really true at Assembly). But if what he said is true, I guess being a caster also comes with its downsides. I agree. Casters are some of the people who are A) bringing new people (like me in the last year) into esports, B) helping pro gamers build a bigger fanbase, and C) in the case of the Assembly tournament this weekend, working 16 hours straight for what I guarantee is not a ton of money. And then they come on here and there are haters everywhere. So try and criticise constructively and show some love for the people whose work you enjoy. | ||
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MrSpider
France173 Posts
On February 14 2011 11:56 stratman wrote: Most casters say not to go on a thread of a tourney they've cast -- it's too painful. Tasteless talks about this a lot (half jokingly), saying he gets depressed and wants to cry when he sees what people write about his casting. Day9 has talked about this too. Forums people are much crueler than they'd be in person. Don't take it too personally. You guys did fine, and you'll get better. True, don't forget that people playing sc2 and watching streams are mostly kids. And what do we know about kids? Its kinda the same in france. There is too major team(aAa and millenium) with their own casters, and continuously people are just exchanging insults. The worst thing is that there is a women(Miicky) casting for the aAa website, and I don't know how she got the courage to keep casting because, their is so many mysogynous insults and dirty things that are said to her, its just awful to see the IRC chat. So gaming is painful for pro gamers and casters, its a risky way of life(but what job in life isn't risky  ? ), Just keep up, put some music and ignore criticism coming from kids. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On February 14 2011 12:10 dizzy101 wrote: I hope the mods will crack down on caster bashing more in the future. It's really affecting the quality of the TL forums. Imba whining can get you banned, but caster bashing, IMO, is worse. You have anonymous posters spewing their bile, you can almost sense the visceral hate they have for this caster or that caster. The other day some team manager said that casters are almost bigger stars at tournaments than players (not really true at Assembly). But if what he said is true, I guess being a caster also comes with its downsides. Being a public figure comes with its downsides, and even more so on the internet where people tend to exaggerate to make their point perfectly clear. Casters have a rough time, and I'm sorry for being rude to these up-and-coming casters. I just expected some more experienced, epic casting with tons of hype, as this is like the biggest tournament so far in Europe (I believe?). Either way, sorry for my shared part of visceral hate and spewed bile. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
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Parsistamon
United States390 Posts
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Freebirdo7
United States163 Posts
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Seinis
Finland28 Posts
On February 13 2011 23:22 DISHU wrote: Show nested quote + On February 13 2011 20:45 wopaahh wrote: On February 13 2011 19:06 bRuTaL!! wrote: The price money has been payed in cash to the players. thats great...ive heard in some ESL events its been a year and the winners havent been paid yet. dunno about their recent sc2 events though. yeah iits a joke for esl to wait so long to pay player . however if the esl is running an event along side an event like this that pays instantly we know which event player would go too. The ESL doesnt decide to let the players wait for their money. Of course they would prefer to pay them asap, but as a firm the ESL felt the global crysis like any other company did. Actually already in 2007 and 2008 it took ESL 6 months to a year to pay some of their prizes (im talking about ENC wc3 prizes) | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On February 14 2011 08:58 Martijn wrote: You shouldn't have even posted this, there's a few people in this thread that had some constructive remarks, the majority were just bashing you. If not for you, we'd have to have done the whole event shorthanded and I'd have crashed after the first 10 hours. You deserve recognition for spending your own money to try and contribute. I'm sure I'll regret posting this as well when I calm down from reading the newest 10-15 pages. But whatever, I'm as human as anyone else. I'll be the first to admit that as a whole assembly wasn't great casting, but what the hell do people expect. We went from 10 am to 3am on day 1, so yeah, we were exhausted towards the last few hours, but the casting was mostly good. We just had to deal with a lot of issues with the schedule and so on but oh well. So then I made a crucial mistake and actually read the day 1 thread and my casting went downhill from there on out. I got to enjoy pages worth of bashing on Maven which he didn't deserve in any way. As a caster you have to have extremely thick skin, but that was demoralizing as fuck. The whole stream was done on a budget of $500, we couldn't even pay for the travel of all 3 of us so Maven stepped up and actually paid his own fucking way there to help us out. So here's someone volunteering his own money to try to help provide the community with an event stream, yet people are giving him shit for having to go to bed at 2:30 am after an 80 minute match. I finished out the series with Pararin (who I'll get back to later) in which I had to repeat what he was saying half the time to correct him and make it understandable. So day 2, I did not feel like people deserved jack. The way Maven was treated was absolute bs. But what am I going to do, give up casting and make the people who did enjoy watching pay the price? I couldn't do that, so I got over it and went back to work. And only then did the actual drama start. Morrow forgot to invite TB into his game vs TLO, where we joined on his realid and Pararin posts that we "didn't let him in". What people read is that we somehow banned TB from the game, which is absolutely ridiculous. What Pararin actually meant to say is that we didn't stop the game from starting without TB. Whether you blame Pararin's poor grasp of English or people just reading into it wrong, that's what he meant. While we had our hands full managing our own stream and dealing with the admins, we indeed did not tell the players not to start with TB. Sorry, but we barely even noticed he wasn't in the game until the last second and even then we assumed he had his reasons for not being there. Maybe he missed the invite or was in a different game or was having issues or who knows whatever else on a list full of possible explanations that could be going on. Never mind that it's in no way, shape or form our job to make sure that other casters get into a game. The admins didn't help casters in the game or host the games, they expected casters to contact the players and yes, once in a while that's going to go wrong. The round after we ended up casting a completely different match also because a player forgot to invite us even though we asked and were 20 meters from them. But hey here's a stack of people cursing us out on TL for something we had little to no hand in. So yeah, I feel like my casting went down the drain as well. When you're working on a budget which doesn't even allow you to break even and you're getting verbally raped after 20 hours of casting in about 28 hours, you try sounding excited. We should not have to deal with being a scapegoat. If it wasn't for the players at the event being so great and getting a chance to calm down with their support before the finals, it would've been dreadful. As a community, we should consider ourselves fucking blessed with many of the pro players. So we put on a good show for the finals. It was solid. If we had been able to cast the whole event like that, no one would have a right to complain. We went to the player party and had a good time. I got to hear Pararin apologize for what he posted and all the shit we got because of it. We all got thrown out at 4 am. We walked through -20c Helsinki until we found enough cabs for all of us. I went up to Naama's room to hang out with qxc, socke and the whole crew. I laughed at elfi getting up, zombieing to the bathroom, throwing up and passing straight out on his bed again instantly 4 times. I got to laugh at Socke's 20 game drunken losing streak. I smiled for Anna's picture when at 6:30 am I ran into her and TLO drunk in the elevator. I split a cab with maven, morrow and hasuobs to the airport. We ran into insolence while we were waiting for our flights and discussed balance, maps and whatever else. Hell, I took home morrow's 2 place trophy seeming he didn't want to drag it back and said I should take it. So all in all, I had a blast. But because of the pro players and their support. This event completely changed who I feel I should be casting for. /hissyfit Don't expect me to reply after this, I'm done with it. I got to have a good time when all was said and done, I just wanted to vent. PS. The finals cast was a good time. If you want to judge Mavens casting, do it on that series. thanks for posting this, sorry that you read the day1 thread, it was horrendous to read all the retard comments(and they only got worse), thanks for getting the best out of it and i hope this dont discourage you from casting stuff in the future | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
Having more competition and more people trying to spread the word on SC2 and cover the events is great and needed for eSports to continue growing, but the quality also needs to improve at a similar rate and some casters will not be able to continue in the end because the competition will be greater and people will appreciated certain casters more than others etc etc. I also think that one major problem some casters have is that they don't seem to practice their casting much. You don't need to be live to practice the casting, you could have 1-2 people on vent listenting in on a game you watch, and even record it to listen yourself, analyse where improvement can be made (during what situations is the casting worse etc?) and then make a better job when you go live infront of a big audience. Overall it's a difficult time for SC2 casters since it's all very new still and you don't get much in return for doing it but you still need to put in alot of effort and some might not have the time to do that (jobs schoo and what not taking higher priority). | ||
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gibb
Sweden288 Posts
To the casters: Keep on casting guys, I enjoyed it alot atleast. =) Sure there's things to improve and so on but most of this "feedback" you are getting is just bullshit spewed by bad mannered children who has not been taught how to interact with other human beings. Just picture them telling you any of this in person (lol that would never happen)... Nothing of what they say matters in the least, and entertaining a crowd of misfits is not really a worthy cause anyhow. Do pay attention to the sincere posts that you feel are constructive tho, I'm sure alot of people have insight that you can use to improve! You just got to hang in there. =) To the dear children: Please children, just fucking imagine yourself saying the things you actually spew out to a real person, then it might click in your brain that you are in fact acting like an asshole. Not to mention that you will feel your tiny, tiny ballsack shrivel up at the sheer terror of critizising someone IRL instead of doing it from the comfy little safety of your internet. Using this simple method, anytime your balls are entering your guts you will know that you are about to post some really stupid shit that you can't really stand for, and thus should not do. Fuck you all, whiny kids. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 14 2011 12:10 dizzy101 wrote: I hope the mods will crack down on caster bashing more in the future. It's really affecting the quality of the TL forums. Imba whining can get you banned, but caster bashing, IMO, is worse. You have anonymous posters spewing their bile, you can almost sense the visceral hate they have for this caster or that caster. The other day some team manager said that casters are almost bigger stars at tournaments than players (not really true at Assembly). But if what he said is true, I guess being a caster also comes with its downsides. well how else can people set things right and stop this nonsense where martijn gets priority in casting gig over totalbiscuit for example. I hate ad hominem but people are forced to suffer through unbearable commentary and somethign has to be done about it. I'd like to think of a more civilized way but i cant. | ||
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zeMoose
Finland51 Posts
Anyways, huge props to all the volunteer admins and casters and so on who worked long hours to make the event a success, not just in SC2 but other games as well. Hopefully we'll see a tournament as good as this or even better at the Assembly Summer. The summer event itself is several times bigger than the winter one so I'm looking forward to see what they can do with SC2 there. | ||
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Glowbox
Netherlands330 Posts
On February 14 2011 18:36 Sfydjklm wrote: well how else can people set things right and stop this nonsense where martijn gets priority in casting gig over totalbiscuit for example. Ugh did you even read Martijn's post.... Anyhoo, I'd like to thank the organizers, admins,casters for their efforts. I'm sure they learned a lot so the next event will be better . | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
Casting this amount of games is hard work and everyone smart knows that, don't let it get to you, boys. + Show Spoiler + Second, Ret finally getting his well-deserved tournament victory that should silence even the last critics. | ||
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obsidia
122 Posts
I personally loved your casting as usual and hope you dont get upset by the same bunch of selfish whiners who dont know how to be grateful for what they are given. ( also thebeard is an absolute boss ) | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
why would i do that? Believe me there is nothing more i would enjoy then everyone being happy and doing what they love. Unfortunately that's impossible and those with superior skills should get the priority. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
Bashing someones efforts and stating arbitrary orders of casters based on personal preference, not reading a statement of the regarding person, getting pointed on that and then responding in such a rude manner, that is the reason why casters don't (and shouldn't) read live report threads... | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On February 14 2011 19:12 Sfydjklm wrote: why would i do that? Believe me there is nothing more i would enjoy then everyone being happy and doing what they love. Unfortunately that's impossible and those with superior skills should get the priority. What have reading his post to do with you incoherent second paragraph? You made a statement about the TB situation in which Glowbox rightfully so facepalmed at you inability to even bother to read Martijn's statement... And in response to your first response to dizzy, I have to say you must have limited social skills if you can't think of better way to give feedback than what happend in these tournament threads. | ||
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noobie noobb
Russian Federation20 Posts
Sjow :+ Show Spoiler + Grubby, and then Huk: + Show Spoiler + MorroW, right before finals + Show Spoiler + | ||
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