On January 30 2011 01:32 revoN wrote: The games went as expected, easy win for MVP.
What interests me is how come there were so many ppl at the stadium? I was under the impression that GSL is losing its popularity...
Why were there so many people at the stadium? They all wanted to watch the GSL finals. What gave you the impression that GSL is losing popularity?
Because Gom cleverly put the finals inside that university stadium. So the student body was attracted. I'm guessing after they saw a quick 4-0 they weren't impressed .
So watching the games last night.. Did it seem like MKP was trying to play a whole different style?? i feel like he was choking.. Not to be mad mannering but just now the same MKP i saw that played Jinro.. He played risky though.. I was happy to see risky play.. BUT 20 thousand dollars is still a good prize :-)!! cant wait to see how the teams play out.. Should be some insane and intense matches
to me it seemed like mvp didn't allow him to play his style, he was always the first to put some pressure on. and was focused enough to not allow any sort of counterattacks. mkp seemed himself it's just that what worked for him before didn't work this time.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
Really lame. MKP is capable of taking a few games from MVP. His style is dependent on excellent decision making and multi-pronged attacks, and he failed to execute. What a horrible final.
On January 30 2011 01:32 revoN wrote: The games went as expected, easy win for MVP.
What interests me is how come there were so many ppl at the stadium? I was under the impression that GSL is losing its popularity...
Why were there so many people at the stadium? They all wanted to watch the GSL finals. What gave you the impression that GSL is losing popularity?
people on these forums have been spelling doom for SC2 since launch. can be kinda depressing sometimes, and if people shout the same thing for long enough, eventually some people believe it, especially if no one stands up to the contrary.
It actually IS depressing, I want SC2 to succeed so badly sometimes I get kinda sad when some BW trolls start bashing down on it. I think that Blizz is in a large part to blame for it anyways. I'm not completely informed but blizzard's legal actions seem to have created large resentment from the BW community towards the SC2 one, when in reality both could benefit from cooperation. Imagine if MBC/OGN had both shows instead of having random shit when there's no BW, that could be awesome, and could serve as a great TV anchor for both games, since most SC fans can watch and enjoy both games.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
The match was over so fast last night, that I went back and watched all of MVP's matches in this GSL. My conclusion ( and feel free to disagree) is that MVP has risen above the rest of the pack, and is indeed, unstoppable. He can do it all. He rolled over Tester like he was a noob.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
On January 29 2011 22:40 Redmark wrote: Man, what happened? This has two-thirds the size of the OSL thread. The previous finals were huge, even though season 3 was as one-sided.
People keep saying that prize money doesn't matter, but it seems like hype for this season has been considerably lower. Is it the tournament structure or the time or what?
Though I guess since it's a monthly thing it's natural for it drop off a bit relative to twice-a-year (?) starleagues.
it aired at a terrible time for europe, I usually make about 5-10 posts in these threads when watching live but I was a sleep this time ~~
i woke up at 7 just to watch the finals. and it was worth it. MVP 4-0 MKP was incredible. MvP best Terran in sc2 and perhaps the best in the entire sc2 scene
Still ridiculous to for me to see how good Mvp is when the only thing I think of with him is the worst SC1 game I've ever seen: Mvp vs Barracks, and Mvp actually lost.
On January 29 2011 22:40 Redmark wrote: Man, what happened? This has two-thirds the size of the OSL thread. The previous finals were huge, even though season 3 was as one-sided.
People keep saying that prize money doesn't matter, but it seems like hype for this season has been considerably lower. Is it the tournament structure or the time or what?
Though I guess since it's a monthly thing it's natural for it drop off a bit relative to twice-a-year (?) starleagues.
I think the result of OSL was kind of more discussion worthy since that would have been like MKP 4-0ing MVP pretty much. That being said, the expected stomp of MVP with it being a TvT and a quick series probably killed the thread a little bit.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
The match was over so fast last night, that I went back and watched all of MVP's matches in this GSL. My conclusion ( and feel free to disagree) is that MVP has risen above the rest of the pack, and is indeed, unstoppable. He can do it all. He rolled over Tester like he was a noob.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
for him to have played bw, he didn't do the 3-4 pronged attacks similar to bisu
he did have some beyond godlike sense as if he went to 100% final form
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
honestly, that type of play should not be considered special. I'm more surprised it isn't considered standard with SC2's easier macro and unlimited group selection.
anyways, there are some players out there known for multipronged attacks. QXC comes to mind and Sjow recently demolished WhiteRa with it on Metalopolis in IEM Euro finals.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
honestly, that type of play should not be considered special. I'm more surprised it isn't considered standard with SC2's easier macro and unlimited group selection.
anyways, there are some players out there known for multipronged attacks. QXC comes to mind and Sjow recently demolished WhiteRa with it on Metalopolis in IEM Euro finals.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
honestly, that type of play should not be considered special. I'm more surprised it isn't considered standard with SC2's easier macro and unlimited group selection.
anyways, there are some players out there known for multipronged attacks. QXC comes to mind and Sjow recently demolished WhiteRa with it on Metalopolis in IEM Euro finals.
Did you just compare qxc to mvp? oh god...
I'm talking about multitask. MVP is obviously better than QXC overall.
Marinekingprime just got this far because he has a really funky/lame way of playing. most of the GSL players havent really figured out yet how to properly counter that, but Mvp obviously did and the result was the total slaughter of marineking. To me this shows that his play is far from solid, hes just unpredictable for a lot of players and he is really good at being lame. Personally, i feel that Nada should have taken him out, because there were far more deserving players for the finals, whom wouldve shown a much more exciting match imo.
On January 30 2011 00:30 frucisky wrote: MVP is extremely solid no doubt. But you guys really have to admit and MKP played so much worse than he usually does. MKP is known for brilliant decision making and those he made today were just bad. Taking that gold in game 2 was genius is MKP-brand. But when it came to doing drops, making powerful pushes and getting the right composition out, he just utterly choked and failed.
Even his marine micro was awful. Many times you'll see him miss the shuffle step micro and his marines will just walk forward without shooting. I love MKP's play so much but I think if he entered the finals with more confidence he'd def have taken a few games off MVP. I'm sure he'll be back with more tricks up his sleeve though.
Maybe we might see MVP vs MKP again in the GSTL
Nope, dont agree.
MKP was simply outclassed.
Go back and look at what MVP did to Hyperdub on Metalopolis. Hyperdub played fine, no mistakes, he just got stomped. He FE'd and MVP double FE'd in response, and killed the scouting SCV, so Hyperdub never knew. Then MVP took a Gold, and started raining MULEs.
Go watch that match. It proved that MVP was simply better than the competition. There was nothing MKP could have done. Nothing.
while he did get outplayed you cant say he didnt choke... some of his decisions were terrible. if mkp had played like he had in the past it woulda been a much closer series. hell anything can happen in sc so you cant simply say there was NOTHING he could have done. what if mkp did some crazy all in scv/marine attack in the first set which just set the pace of the rest of the games? its not like hes unstoppable i mean mvp hasnt gotten very far in the gsl besides this season.
I have never seen anyone in SC2 multitask like MVP does. Think about how he dropped on MKP's main, and then destroyed the gold with another drop while MKP was defending the first drop; that was so sick. I dont know what MVP did between GSLs, but damn, I wish I knew, because his decision making, timing, macro, multitasking, EVERYTHING, was just better than the rest of them.
I agree though, the next final will probably be these two again. I would hope that it would be MVP against MC, though.
honestly, that type of play should not be considered special. I'm more surprised it isn't considered standard with SC2's easier macro and unlimited group selection.
anyways, there are some players out there known for multipronged attacks. QXC comes to mind and Sjow recently demolished WhiteRa with it on Metalopolis in IEM Euro finals.
What was special, was the timing of it all. There was simply no way for MKP to be in both places at once, with his great micro. Others have beaten MKP, but only MVP has made him look ordinary. Jinro did a good job until he got dropped on, but I have never seen anyone roll over MKP like MVP did.
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