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On January 23 2011 17:16 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:14 StorkHwaiting wrote:On January 23 2011 17:08 LunarC wrote:
What if tanks did 35 +35 to armored. Like in Brood War. You know, to compensate for Marauder spam. Oh fantastic idea!! That would be just magical for TvZ now wouldn't it?? Then tanks could counter roaches and ultras even harder! IdrA would commite sucicide if that happend. Do you really want IdrA to suffer that bad? 
Yes, yes I do. It would be hilarious if all of SC2 was an incredibly elaborate ruse to troll Idra. Blizzard start out in beta convincing him that Zerg will be the strongest, then slowly, softly wittle it down until he's left with a few lizard dog things fighting an armada of armoured soldiers with huge guns, enormous tanks and giant biped mech warriors. Then allow a few zergs to do really well publicly to give him false hope, then reveal several incredibly strong Terran openings that make zerg early game look like a joke. At this final stage abandon all subtleties and put tank shells up to 60 flat damage and make marines armoured with 150HP, and remove supply depot before rax requirement.
And that is how you destroy a man.
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What I still think regarding MPK's style is very map dependent. You see Xel naga like tastosis said is works extremely well for MPK's style. Remember in Scrap Station were Jinro won is because of his solid style of play (small details being done, like 3 turrets which anticipated MKP's drop)
Now, I haven't seen MVP's TvT but with how he destroyed Nestea it's more likely that MKP needs to learn Jinro's solid style to coup up with MVP's timing pushes.
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To all of you surprised at how well bio and/or marines fare against tanks, it's because in the circumstances tonight, the bio had huge upgrade advantages(medvacs are great too).
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On January 23 2011 17:22 Fighter wrote:
Don't understand all the hate for TvT... I actually think it's one of the most entertaining matchups at the moment, and I don't even roll terran.
I think most people just seem to hate mirror matchups : /
Oh well, I think it'll be a good finals! After today I feel like MVP will still win, but with MKP being so crafty it should be an entertaining series.
TvT with MKP is actually not a mirror matchup
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On January 23 2011 17:23 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:19 rebdomine wrote:On January 23 2011 17:18 brain_ wrote:
Is anybody keeping track of these hilarious interview question usernames? From tonight I can remember "meast and moity" and "protoss my salad". What were the others? I saw an "IMWeThawDead" on the gomtv.net forums. Too bad John didn't get Artosis to read that name out loud on stream. I don't get it
i am retarded, thats what it reads as
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I'm surprised and amazed they answered my question! first time i tried submitted one too :D
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On January 23 2011 17:21 Kanako wrote:
Im suprise MKP didnt do a SCV all in today i think jinro was EXPECTING it on Jungle basin
maybe that was why the banshee throw him off on the turret timing. either way that was Jinro only mistake today he and MKP one of the best TVT we have yet seen
its good that we finally break away from Viking Tank TVT game THOSE ARE WHATS REALY BORING
His turret timings was perfectly normal for when you think banshees are possible I think, they were just slightly late because the starport was proxied.
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On January 23 2011 17:23 Vorlik wrote:
To all of you surprised at how well bio and/or marines fare against tanks, it's because in the circumstances tonight, the bio had huge upgrade advantages(medvacs are great too).
and the fact that mkp spreaded very well, perfect concave and perfect unit ctrl
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was jinro wearing the beanie today? i cant remember
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On January 23 2011 17:21 Kanako wrote:
Im suprise MKP didnt do a SCV all in today i think jinro was EXPECTING it on Jungle basin
maybe that was why the banshee throw him off on the turret timing. either way that was Jinro only mistake today he and MKP one of the best TVT we have yet seen
its good that we finally break away from Viking Tank TVT game THOSE ARE WHATS REALY BORING
MKP doesn't really do much early game all-in to the extent that TL posters believe. He fast expands as much, if not more than Zerg players do. Also, FEing while expecting an early SCV all-in is just plain dumb. You simply won't hold in most situations.
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On January 23 2011 17:23 Vorlik wrote:
To all of you surprised at how well bio and/or marines fare against tanks, it's because in the circumstances tonight, the bio had huge upgrade advantages(medvacs are great too).
And alot of space to spread the bio and make a sick concave.
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On January 23 2011 17:23 salidsnake wrote:
I'm surprised and amazed they answered my question! first time i tried submitted one too :D
LOL I thought your name was SALAD SNAKE!
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On January 23 2011 17:23 hugman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:19 rebdomine wrote:On January 23 2011 17:18 brain_ wrote:
Is anybody keeping track of these hilarious interview question usernames? From tonight I can remember "meast and moity" and "protoss my salad". What were the others? I saw an "IMWeThawDead" on the gomtv.net forums. Too bad John didn't get Artosis to read that name out loud on stream. I don't get it
It's basically going to be Artosis saying that he's retarded and make him sound like he has a speech impediment if he reads it out loud.
Probably a little too offensive that's why his questions weren't picked.
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On January 23 2011 17:24 amd098 wrote:
was jinro wearing the beanie today? i cant remember
no, he had his hair done by the gom tv staff
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Remember its easier for mkp to practice vs mvp than for mvp to practice vs mkp
I for one think after one week mkp can win
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I actually like tvt. Its all about positioning as opposed to unit comp. I have to say its the best mirror matchup. zvz is ok but pvp is just so boring
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On January 23 2011 17:25 kiniko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:24 amd098 wrote:
was jinro wearing the beanie today? i cant remember no, he had his hair done by the gom tv staff
hmm so, i think jinro does better without the beanie than with it, thoughts?
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On January 23 2011 17:22 Fighter wrote:
Don't understand all the hate for TvT... I actually think it's one of the most entertaining matchups at the moment, and I don't even roll terran.
I think most people just seem to hate mirror matchups : /
Oh well, I think it'll be a good finals! After today I feel like MVP will still win, but with MKP being so crafty it should be an entertaining series.
If Jinro were taking part in the TvT Everyone would be ecstatic about it, but since MKP beat Jinro, of course "everyone" thinks TvT is terrible.
Nobody was complaining that much about TvT finals when MKP Defeated Nestea, however all of a sudden TvT is terrible even though it is the best and most entertaining mirror match-up.
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On January 23 2011 17:08 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:04 SiegeFlank wrote:
It was a good run Jinro, round of 4 two seasons in a row is nothing at all to be ashamed about.
Not to undermine MKP's skill, but I do still think Jinro is the stronger player. A lot of MKP's play seems to rely on many gimmicks (sneaking the gold expo game 2, weird proxy play in game 3, double expand game 4, and trying to force a base race in general). It seemed like Jinro put a lot more thought into his play. I don't get it, when Boxer did this, people called him brilliant revolutionary amazing god of Starcraft. Foxer does it (get what I did there?) and people think he's weak? He's not weak. He's playing brilliantly. He's doing tailor made builds to pick Jinro apart. It's what every OSL winner has done to win the trophy. They don't sit there and try to do the conventional build on every map and hope that they will somehow have superior mechanics that take them to victory. It's horribly underestimating your opponent when you do that. AKA Why Stork has gotten so many silvers. He was arrogant and thought his mechanics were superior, then he'd get fucking picked apart by custom made builds. It's the same reason why he finally ended up beating Fantasy in an OSL. He put his ego aside and did really brilliant builds to pick Fantasy apart.
By no means am I trying to say that MKP is a weak player. And I'm not trying to argue that Jinro is superior because of mechanics at all (in fact I'd argue that MKP's mechanics are generally superior). Jinro's play just seemed more creative and planned out than MKP's, but in such a way that he would have more to fall back on if things didn't go quite right. In MKP's case, he was almost dead when he decided to try and take the gold in game 2, and when he decided to surprise drop Jinro at the last moment during game 1. He really makes a lot of risky decisions and I can only wonder how long they'll keep favoring him.
Again, I'm not saying MKP is a bad player by any stretch of the imagination. All of the decisions he made were excellent, but risky. Perhaps gimmick was a poor word to describe it. I just think that Jinro is generally the better player just between being able to play very safe but very creative builds.
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On January 23 2011 17:24 Frugalicious wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 17:21 Kanako wrote:
Im suprise MKP didnt do a SCV all in today i think jinro was EXPECTING it on Jungle basin
maybe that was why the banshee throw him off on the turret timing. either way that was Jinro only mistake today he and MKP one of the best TVT we have yet seen
its good that we finally break away from Viking Tank TVT game THOSE ARE WHATS REALY BORING MKP doesn't really do much early game all-in to the extent that TL posters believe. He fast expands as much, if not more than Zerg players do. Also, FEing while expecting an early SCV all-in is just plain dumb. You simply won't hold in most situations.
Yeah in fact I can only recall marine+SCV all-ins in a few games from MKP, most of them from the famous series against NesTea. Virtually every other build is a FE.
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